Toejam and Earl 3 for the Dreamcast -- Some info!

[J_Villa1983]

about 3 weeks ago I poked around Youtube and found an interesting video showing Toejam and Earl 3 for the Dreamcast.

if you want to see it its at this address:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4pmWNmrlRQ

I saw the video and my jaw hit the floor. I had to know more about it because Toejam and Earl was one of my favorite games for the Genesis as I was growing up.
I started doing some research on the game and found the website for Toejam and earl company located at TJandE.com. After a few e-mails I got one back from none other than Greg Johnson, one of the creators of the series. Here's the e-mail I got from him...

"Hi Joseph,

Apologies for not getting back to you right away. I'm sorry to say that we
never quite finished the Dreamcast Version so I don't have anything that I
could sell or give you. Recently I found one of our old Dreamcase
development burns and tried it on my Dreamcast and that didn't even work
(you need a Dreamcast Dev kit to make it run). Otherwise I'd send you
that - anyway I think I tossed it.

The Dreamcast Version was cool - in fact it was very like the Original TJ&E
with the stacked levels, and withOUT all of the gates and keys and bosses
and mini-games and hub structure that Visual Concepts (Sega) made us put
into the Xbox version of the game. We had also built a 2 or 3 player
multi-player mode so that people on different dreamcasts could play
together. We had that working quite well and it was lots of fun, but we
scrapped it when we ported to the Xbox because we didn't have enough time to
re-implement it. sigh.

Anyway sorry about that. I'd love to be able to hook you up - but no can do.

Have a good one!

--Greg (designer of the series)"

I made sure i got permission before posting all of this. I just thought all of you out there can cry along with me for another game that looked FREAKING AWESOME, which NONE of us will be able to get our greasy little mitts on to play.


-Joseph Villa

[SSaxdude]

This looks like the T&J that was released for Xbox. There have been many Dreamcast games that have been canceled, but the only one I know that was leaked was Half Life (complete with insane loading.)

[JKKDARK]

I saw this video long time ago. It's sad to see the Dreamcast version was canceled.

[kohan69]

"I found one of our old Dreamcase
development burns and tried it on my Dreamcast and that didn't even work
(you need a Dreamcast Dev kit to make it run). "

Ask him again! Insist that the dc-scene will make it work. Some members here have dev kits and released a few things (although not entirely legal)



and thanks for givin me an idea, im gonna write all the devs whose games were cancelled and ask for beta/anything :D

[Christuserloeser]

Thanks a lot for sharing your information and the reply you got, J_Villa1983. That's really nice :)



This looks like the T&J that was released for Xbox.

No, the T&E released for Xbox looks like this one for Dreamcast - because it's more or less the original ;)



There have been many Dreamcast games that have been canceled, but the only one I know that was leaked was Half Life (complete with insane loading.)

There also was Propeller Arena (http://www.dreamcast-scene.com/index.php/Main/PropellerArenaOnlineAviationBattleChampionship). A really great game. Sadly we cannot provide you with much more information or even links, because it'd be against the forum rules.



and thanks for givin me an idea, im gonna write all the devs whose games were cancelled and ask for beta/anything :D

Yeah, that is a good idea I think. However, you might wanna do so in a nice way. Please do not send them emails like this: "hi, plz gimme beta of your game for dc, k thx." - I remember that GOAT Store's Dan Loosen mentioned that he's in talks with some companies to release their cancelled games for Dreamcast via GOAT Publishing. Spamming their inbox with emails such as I outlined would render the efforts others put into these ideas useless and definitly minimize all chances of ever seeing cancelled games of the Propeller Arena or Half-Life format released commercially.

So, do some investigation and research about the game you've asking them for. Show your actual interest. Use proper grammar and please check your spelling!

Also remember that it'd be important to write emails to the actual developers involved, not to the publishing companies.

Other than that I don't see any reason why it would be a bad idea to show them your interest in a Dreamcast version or beta of works that they've put so much blood, sweat and tears into.

[J_Villa1983]

Well I told him that I was going to be getting a Katana devkit in the near future but I didn't want to pry or overstep my bounds. He was already being a nice guy for giving me some information which he really didnt have to answer. He told me he threw the dev copy out and that was that.

So.. as far as asking him again.. I'm not going to and I hope you all respect that and not contact him to demand a copy of the beta.

As far as other games.. I had already contacted Lionhead about Black and White on the dreamcast and I got nothing back from that... so far. It took me 2 e-mails to get Greg from TJandE so it may take more trys to get ahold of anybody from other companies. Remember these people are busy!! they have alot of things going on all at once.. be polite!

There were many other games out there that were about 80% or more complete for the DC. So look for them and you may be lucky. I guess when I was asking about the betas I was more looking along the lines of a release or getting someone to pick up the rights to release it, rather than a dev copy to be released as a torrent. I would like to see more money changing hands in the dreamcast scene so that people will feel confident in releasing new titles to make a decent profit so that others will develop high quality titles as well. Doing this will bring press and then more people to share the fun with.


-JV

[kohan69]

thanks for stating the obvious Christuserloeser
due to anonymity of being a forum member, I understand your need to state that. I'll try me best to restrain myself from writing a letter in 1337$\*34|<

:)

No problem J_Villa1983, but "I think I tossed it." is not a 100% not acquirable, imho

[Darksaviour69]

the problem with publishing any of these games now, its that they would need a licence from sega, as they would have been developed with katana, the offical SDK.

still the email was pretty cool

[J_Villa1983]

>>No problem J_Villa1983, but "I think I tossed it." is >>not a 100% not acquirable, imho


yeah it does make one ask what happened to all the other dev builds because USUALLY there are more than 1 dev build. but its his ass on the line if it did get out there so, i'm going to take his word for it.

-JV

[Christuserloeser]

thanks for stating the obvious Christuserloeser

Glad you think it's obvious. Good thing with posting on public forums is that others interested could read what one wrote too :)

I'd really love to see a finished but unreleased Dreamcast game published officially and commercially via the GOAT Store. ^^

[kohan69]

I did some googling, and here's the list (compliled by Lonesniperwolf)

This will take me months to do alone, I will update to which developer about which game I wrote, so if anyone here can write a college paper, please write a letter:

10six (SegaSoft / SEGA)
3,000,000 RPG (FOG)
3D Fighter Maker (ASCII)

Agartha (No Cliché / SEGA)
Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings (Ensemble Studios / Konami + SEGA)
Aiken's Artifact see Sanity - Aiken's Artifact
Akolyte
Alien Resurrection (Argonaut / Fox Interactive)
Anachronox (Ion Storm)
Arcatera: The Dark Brotherhood (Westka Entertainment / Ubi Soft)
Armada 2: Exodus (Metro3D)
Austin Powers: Mojo Rally (Take 2)
ALEX ~ Virus Composer (Media Factory)
Alexander: The Road to Percia (Media Factory / RocketStudio)
All-Star Baseball
Alugulate
Aqua Panic (SEGA)
Arena League Football: The 50 Yard Indoor War (Midway)
As Snow (SEGA)


Baldur's Gate (BioWare / SEGA)
Battle Zone II (Pandemic Studios)
Black & White (Lionhead Studios / Krisalis)
bleem! for Dreamcast: bleempak A (bleem!, LLC)
bleem! for Dreamcast: bleempak B (bleem!, LLC)
bleem! for Dreamcast: bleempak C (bleem!, LLC)
bleem! for Dreamcast: bleempak D (bleem!, LLC)
Boarder Zone (Housemarque / Infogrames)
Buffy the Vampire Slayer
Beach Spikers (AM2 / SEGA)
Blood of Zeon see Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no Yabou - Zeon no Keifu
Boku Yumei no Meijin (Fujicom)
Boku Yumei no Tatsujin (Fujicom)
Braveknight (Panther)


Castlevania 3D see Castlevania: Resurrection
Castlevania: Resurrection (Konami USA)
Chakan: The Forever Man (AndNow)
Chakan 2 see Chakan: The Forever Man
Chess 2000
Colin McRae Rally 2.0 (Codemasters)
Combat Flight Simulator see Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator
Commandos 2: Men of Courage (Pyro Studios / Eidos)
Croc 2 (Argonaut / Fox Interactive)
Cut Away
Chi-Q no Tomodachi (NexTech)
Cho Hamaru Golf (SEGA)
Code Breaker
Crack 2 (Sieg)


D-Jump
Dark Angel: Vampire Apocalypse (Metro3D)
Dark Earth (Kalisto)
Deer Avenger (Hypnotix / Berkeley + Simon & Schuster)
Densha de Go! 3: Commuting (Taito)
Drakan (Surreal Software / Psygnosis + GT Interactive)
DroneZ (Zetha GameZ)
Dynamite Robo (Warashi)
Dark Eyes (NexTech)
Daytona USA 3 (SEGA)
Dogs of War (Silicon Dreams / Take 2)
Dousoukai Again (NEC InterChannel)
Dynamic Golf (Wow Entertainment / SEGA)
Dynamite Baseball (AM1 / SEGA)


ESPN Baseball Tonight (Konami)
ESPN Links Golf (Microsoft + Konami)
European PGA
Extreme-G X (Acclaim Studios London)


F1 Grand Prix 4 see Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 3 - 2000 Season
Far Nation (SEGA)
Farnation see Far Nation
Felony Pursuit see The World's Scariest Police Chases: Deadly Pursuit
Final Fight Revenge (Capcom)
Fortress: The Evolution (Pipe Dream / Majesco)
Frontier (Turbine Entertainment / SEGA)
Fighter Maker see 3D Fighter Maker
Flagship
Flintstones: Viva Rock Vegas
Flying Dragon see SD Legend of the Flying Dragon EX
Fortris (Promethean)
Friend of Earth (NexTech)


Galleon (Confounding Factor / Interplay)
Geist Force (SEGA of America + Netter Digital Entertainment / SEGA)
Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 3 - 2000 Season (Microprose / Infogrames +
Hasbro)
Gex 3: Deep Cover Gecko (Crystal Dynamics / Eidos)
Giants: Citizen Kabuto (Planet Moon Studios / Interplay)
Glover 2 (Interactive Studios / Hasbro)
Gold and Glory: The Road to El Dorado (Ubi Soft)
GorkaMorka (Real Sports / Ripcord)
Grand Prix 4 see Geoff Crammond's Grand Prix 3 - 2000 Season
Gun Valkyrie (Smilebit / SEGA)
Gutherman (No Cliché / SEGA)
Golf Shiyouyo Survival Hen (Bottom Up / SoftMax)
Gundam: Giren's Ambition see Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no Yabou...


Half-Life for Dreamcast (Gearbox + Captivation Digital Laboratories /
Sierra)
Half-Life Online (Gearbox + Captivation Digital Laboratories / Sierra)
Hamunaptra see The Mummy
Harukaze Sentai V Force 2 (Bing Kids)
Hype: The Time Quest (Ubi Soft)
Hamster Story (Culture Brain)
Heavy Metal F.A.K.K. 2 (Ritual / G.O.D.)
Hellgate (Jester Interactive)
Heroes of Might & Magic III (3DO / Ubi Soft)
Hiryu-no Ken Retsuden (Culture Brain)
The House of the Dead 3 (SEGA)


Independence War 2: Edge of Chaos (Particle Systems / Infogrames)
IHRA Drag Racing (Bethesda Softworks)
Innocent Tears (Kobi / Global A)
Iris Angel (Japan Corporation)


Jet Set Radio 2 see Jet Set Radio Future
Jet Set Radio Future (Smilebit / SEGA)
Jump Runner (Glass Ghost)
Jambo Safari + Emergency Call Ambulance + Brave Fire Fighters (SEGA)
Jarman 2 (Visit / Bidget)
Jissen Pachi-Slot Hisshouhou! @VPACHI Kingdom (MaxBet)


K-Project see Rez
K1 Dream (Xing)
Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no Yabou - Zeon no Keifu (Bandai)


Last Bronx 2 (SEGA)
Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2 (Crystal Dynamics / Eidos)
Legend of the Blade Masters (Ronin / Ripcord)
Links LS see ESPN Links Golf
The Legend of the Nibelungen see The Ring of the Nibelungen
Let's Make a Monster see Monster wo Tsukurou!
LiltherB: Real Herb (Takuyo)
Love Mahjong - Melty School (Culture Brain)


Major League Soccer (Konami)
Max Payne (Remedy / Rockstar / Take 2)
Messiah (Shiny / Interplay)
Metal Max Overdrive (ASCII)
Metal Max Wild Eyes (ASCII)
Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator (Microsoft + Konami)
Microsoft Links LS see ESPN Links Golf
Midnight GT (Rage)
Missile Command 3D (Hasbro)
Mojo Rally see Austin Powers: Mojo Rally
Monster Truck (Konami)
The Mummy (Rebellion + Konami / Fox Interactive)
Midway's Greatest Arcade Hits Volume 3 (Midway)
Mobile Suit Gundam: Blood of Zeon see Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no...
Monster wo Tsukurou! (SEGA)
Monster Racer
Music Box (FOG)


New Worlds see Star Trek: New Worlds
Nijiiro Tenshi (Japan Corporation)


Outcast (Appeal / Infogrames)
Ohzumo (Bottom Up)
Over the Top


Pachinko no Dendou: CR Nanashi (Microcabin)
PBA Tour Bowling 2001 (Bethesda Softworks)
Picassio (Promethean)
Princess Maker 4 (Gainax)
Prism Heart (Kid)
Project Propeller Online see Propeller Arena Online: Aviation Battle
Championship
Propeller Arena Online: Aviation Battle Championship (AM2 / SEGA)
Propeller Head see Propeller Arena Online: Aviation Battle Championship
The Planet of the Apes (Visiware / Fox Interactive)


Quest of the Blade Masters (Ripcord)
Quark (Quantic Dream)


Retupu
Renegade Racers
Resurrection
Rings (Konami)
The Road to El Dorado see Gold and Glory: The Road to El Dorado
Roswell Conspiracy Theories (Crawfish / Red Storm)
Ring Age (Takuyo)
The Ring of the Nibelungen (Success)


Sanity - Aiken's Artifact (Monolith / Fox Interactive)
Shadowman: 2econd Coming (Iguana / Acclaim)
Shienryu 2 (Warashi)
Shiken - Evenstar
Shrapnel: Urban Warfare 2025 (Zombie / Ripcord)
Sierra Sports: Game Room (Sierra)
Sim City 3000 (Maxis)
Skies (Paradigm / SegaSoft)
Sonic & Knuckles RPG (SEGA)
Soul Reaver 2 see Legacy of Kain: Soul Reaver 2
South Park: Deeply Impacted (Iguana / Acclaim)
Spec Ops 2 see Spec Ops Online
Spec Ops Online (Zombie / Ripcord)
Star Trek: New Worlds (Binary Asylum + RuneCraft / Interplay)
Star Wars: Super Bombad Racing (Lucas Learning / LucasArts)
Substance
Supreme Snowboarding see Boarder Zone
SWAT 3: Close Quarters Battle (Sierra)
System Shock 2 (Looking Glass Studios / Vatical Entertainment)
Scooby Doo
SD Legend of the Flying Dragon EX (Culture Brain)
SEGA Worldwide Soccer 2001 (SEGA)
Sekai Fushigi Hakken! Troya
Sentimental Prelude (NEC InterChannel)
Shin Honkaku Hanafuda
Sosei
Super Monkey Ball (Amusement Vision / SEGA)


Take the Bullet (Red Lemon / SEGA)
Ten6 see 10six
Test Drive Cycles
Test Drive Off-Road 3
Time Crisis 2 (Namco)
Total Annihilation 2 (Cavedog / GT Interactive)
Trespasser (DreamWorks)
Trinity
Tropico (PopTop / G.O.D.)
Turok 2: Seeds of Evil (Iguana US / Acclaim)
Tako no Marine (Microcabin)
Thunderboats (Perception)
Title Defense
Toe Jam & Earl III
Tokyo Bus Guide: From Today, You're Also the Driver (Fortyfive)
Tooncar
Top of the Formula Racing (Fujicom)
Trip Trap (Caramel Pot)
Troya see Sekai Fushigi Hakken! Troya
Type X: Spiral Nightmare (SEGA)


UEFA Striker 2001 see UEFA Striker Millennium
UEFA Striker Millennium (Rage)
UFC: Tapout see Ultimate Fighting Championship: Tapout
Ultimate Fighting Championship: Tapout (Crave)
Unreal (GT Interactive)



V Force 2 see Harukaze Sentai V Force 2
V.I.P. (Kalisto / Ubi Soft)
Virtua Striker 3 (Amusement Vision / SEGA)
VR Baseball 2000
VR Football
VR Hockey
Victory Goal 2001 (SEGA)
Virtua Golf (Wow Entertainment / SEGA)
Virtual Pool 3 featuring Jeanette Lee
Viva Rock Vegas see Flintstones: Viva Rock Vegas
Viva Soccer (Interplay)


Warzone 2100 (Pumpkin Studios / Eidos)
Wave Runner (SEGA)
Whiplash 2
Wild Water World Championships see Renegade Racers
Wipeout (Psygnosis Liverpool Studio)
The World's Scariest Police Chases: Deadly Pursuit (Teeny Weeny Games / Fox
Interactive)
Worms Pinball (Team 17 / Infogrames)
Warmonkeys see Dogs of War
Woody Woodpecker Racing (Konami / Universal Interactive)
World Discovery Troya see Sekai Fushigi Hakken! Troya
WWW.Soccer (Clean Fight)


Xena: Warrior Princess


Zeman Mahjong
Zeon no Keifu see Kidou Senshi Gundam: Giren no Yabou - Zeon no Keifu

[Darksaviour69]

you see lists like those are not accurate, they are a mix of rummor and facts. I was at a conference a few years ago and the head of Remedy was talking at it, in a Q&A session he was asked about the dreamcast version of Max Payne, he said no max payne code was ever running on the DC.

[J_Villa1983]

A few days ago I started thinking about Jet Set Radio future and I Emailed sega about it.. I'm going to give it another shot today and i'm going to keep doing it every couple of days until I get an answer.
I'll probably give Lionhead another mailing about Black and White too.

also whats the Sonic and Knuckles RPG? I've never heard of it until now. Are you sure you arent talking about the "Sonic RPG" that was a name referring to the first Sonic Adventure for the Dreamcast?

-JV

[J_Villa1983]

Was Sonic Heroes ever natively made for the Dreamcast?

[JKKDARK]

Was Sonic Heroes ever natively made for the Dreamcast?

Sonic Heroes was made in 2004.

[J_Villa1983]

Sonic Heroes was made in 2004.

yeah I know that.. but was any portion of the design done with the dreamcast in mind? The engine feels like it was a modified (or hacked in this case) Sonic Adventure 2 engine.

-JV

[Darksaviour69]

na, i think if anything it was just an idea during the dreamcast time... but who knows

[Vimagi]

http://www.dreamcast-scene.com/index.php/Main/UnreleasedGames