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wraggster
June 20th, 2005, 02:59
Those people with v1.0 and now those with v1.50 are probably thinking that they have the ultimate Handheld machine for both Homebrew and Emulation, well it is indeed been a great 7 weeks for the PSP scene but the <a href="http://www.gbax.com/main.pl?new/gp32.html" target="_blank" >GP32</a> has a mass of emulators and many that surpass the PSP, check out the <a href="http://gp32emu.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >List of Emulators for the GP32</a> also theres so many <a href="http://www.gp32x.de" target="_blank" >Homebrew Releases</a> that youll be spoilt for choice.

So thats the GP32 now onto the Game Boy advance and its rather impressive <a href="http://gbaemu.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >Emulator Release List</a> and an even more impressive <a href="http://www.pdroms.de" target="_blank" >Homebrew Listing</a> which once you have a flash cart for youll never need another comercial game.

Finally we have the Nintendo DS, already the DS can play every <a href="http://gbaemu.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >Emulator for the GBA</a> and <a href="http://www.pdroms.de" target="_blank" >GBA Homebrew</a> but also it has <a href="http://nintendo-ds.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >Games and Emulators</a> of its own to play on including the release tonight of a MSX emulator for the DS.

So while the PSP is awesome is it yet the King of Handheld Emulation and Homebrew ?

Chrone
June 20th, 2005, 03:06
Those people with v1.0 and now those with v1.50 are probably thinking that they have the ultimate Handheld machine for both Homebrew and Emulation, well it is indeed been a great 7 weeks for the PSP scene but the <a href="http://www.gbax.com/main.pl?new/gp32.html" target="_blank" >GP32</a> has a mass of emulators and many that surpass the PSP, check out the <a href="http://gp32emu.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >List of Emulators for the GP32</a> also theres so many <a href="http://www.gp32x.de" target="_blank" >Homebrew Releases</a> that youll be spoilt for choice.

So thats the GP32 now onto the Game Boy advance and its rather impressive <a href="http://gbaemu.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >Emulator Release List</a> and an even more impressive <a href="http://www.pdroms.de" target="_blank" >Homebrew Listing</a> which once you have a flash cart for youll never need another comercial game.

Finally we have the Nintendo DS, already the DS can play every <a href="http://gbaemu.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >Emulator for the GBA</a> and <a href="http://www.pdroms.de" target="_blank" >GBA Homebrew</a> but also it has <a href="http://nintendo-ds.dcemu.co.uk/" target="_blank" >Games and Emulators</a> of its own to play on including the release tonight of a MSX emulator for the DS.

So while the PSP is awesome is it yet the King of Handheld Emulation and Homebrew ?

GP32 is the king simply because its open source, PSP comes next and is gaining steam fast, then GBA with its flash carts (Which would put it above PSP if GBA wasnt limited by its speed so much), then DS because the wifime/passme/flashme doesnt do that much at this stage and while flash carts work on it, you cant credit them to DS.

EDIT: BTW DS just had a nice Homebrew game release:
http://omalone.free.fr/features.html

shadowprophet
June 20th, 2005, 03:08
In short maybe not as we speak.
But it cant be denied.
The psp WILL one day be the undesputed king of handheld homebrew and emulation.
Unless by that time somthing even better has stomed the scene.

Cap'n 1time
June 20th, 2005, 03:25
i have to say that gp32 will always be the undesputed handheld king of homebrew and emulation... as thats really its only purpose for existance.

shadowprophet
June 20th, 2005, 03:36
I dissagree 1time-.
Mostly because ultimately the psp is more powerful then the gp32 and in the end that will show through in the quality of homebrew that will later be done on the psp and gp32.

J@F
June 20th, 2005, 05:17
How popular is the GP32? Is Game Park making lots of money of them? It's really amazing how fast people are figuring out PSP (I think It's because of her seducing elegance) Is there any chance Sony will release a free SDK like the one for PS1 and PS2? It is a Playstation too after all. I don't mind console makers getting royalties for commercial software but I believe official and supported free SDKs should be available for noncommercial use too.
Despite weather Sony provides free SDKs or not, I believe PSP will be the handheld, homebrew & emulation King in both quantity, and quality by the end of 05.

shadowprophet
June 20th, 2005, 06:13
Dont quote me on this, but i think the whole point of the elf to pbp convesion is because the ps2 and psp use very simmeler source.
Therefore the ps2 sdk should work fine as long as you know what your doing.

scherzo
June 20th, 2005, 15:08
PSP will be the new king. GP32 is great but comes up a bit short in some of our homebrew and emulation desires.

Gamelver
June 20th, 2005, 19:39
right now, the PSP isn't the king of handheld emulation and homebrew and what not, but it's certainly the king of portable entertainment, with the ability to play movies, music, and all sorts of games (such as PSP games, NES games, SNES games, etc.)....as soon as a good N64 emulator comes out for the PSP, then I'll gladly call it the king of emulation and homebrew :)...

Cross
June 20th, 2005, 20:27
I think the new Gizmo (what ever its called I want one) Is the king. Its made spec for what we are doing and porting over from the existing systems (Like it I forgot the current released system) is going to be quick and well worth it. Its more powerful then the psp in terms of power w/ an nvidia graphics chipset. So I think the PSP is far from calling king.

However I do think that the DS and the PSP will have the arena in calling the most users to the table and personally owning a DS and a PSP I like the psp's nice widescreen lol. Its a good system and with some work its going to be able to do many things but if you want a total EMU system go with the systems made for it, the forums for them exists right here at DCEMU.

I have been thinking about getting one but 300 for the new one is high considering I am thinking of waiting to see more about it and just how far my PSP can go.

Plus I already bought it and I have not heard of Gamestop carring the new system Gizmo. If it does I would be 50% more likely to get it just so I can buy the 1 yr warranty. (Like I did for my psp, so that every year I can get a new psp hehehe)

watoto
June 21st, 2005, 01:17
i think the psp is the new gp32.i mean,they psp got probably half the emus in the last week that took the gp32 scene ages to get.

i think above all,what psp has more than the other portables is the screen.i love playing my snes games in fullscreen,they look great.the others all have smaller screens.

gp32 is a very tight but somewhat smaller scene,while psp is soon to be worldwide.more and more people will have one and play around with it.it's just an overall great product.

to be honest,all i ever wanted from a gp32 was decent snes emulation,wich it never got.i honestly don't think the giz will be that popular that many people will develope for it.

and i think ds will be good for new homebrew ideas,but not decent emus.

so yeah,psp for me is king already,since it made my gp32 obsolete in just a couple of weeks.the rest are behind.

J@F
June 21st, 2005, 01:23
Spec wise the Dell Axim X50v is the best. Especially when windows mobile 5.0 comes out. The Intel 2700G in it is closely related to the GPU in the Naomi arcade board and Dreamcast, which I believe are more powerful than PS2's GPU.

qatmix
June 21st, 2005, 01:44
PSP requires you to keep the old firmware to play the homebrew, soon GT4 will be out with a firmware update which will kill the current hack.. The sceners will probably find a way around it again but its not exactly easy or indeed healthy for the PSP in the long term.

The king of the homebrew is the Tapwave Zodiac. The CPU is fast and it has some excellnt GFX hardware. Obviously not as hi spec as the PSP but the machine is more usable with a free and open SDK.

I have tried teh emus on the PSP and they are all slower than the Zodiac ones. (Snes and Megadrive) The GP32 megadrive emu is much better than the PSP one.

Dont get me wrong, im still excited about homebrew on the PSP I just wonder how far it will go.

Onetonbullet
June 21st, 2005, 02:29
I dissagree 1time-.
Mostly because ultimately the psp is more powerful then the gp32 and in the end that will show through in the quality of homebrew that will later be done on the psp and gp32.

Cause everyone knows power=quality homebrew. :rolleyes:

J@F
June 21st, 2005, 03:08
Its more powerful then the psp in terms of power w/ an nvidia graphics chipset

NOT TRUE
(From the Nvidia GoForce 3D Product Overview)

NVIDIA GOFORCE 3D SPECIFICATIONS (NOTE: The 4500 Is whats in the gizmondo)

3D ENGINE
• Geometry transform engine (floating point
and fixed point)
• 16-bpp (RGB565) color with 16-bit Z (high
quality dithering)
• 40-bit color pipeline with signed non-integer
color (over bright)
• 8 surfaces (color, Z, texture 1-6)
• Programmable pixel shader
• Fog, perspective correction, (NOTE: not sure of accuracy)
• Mip-mapping
• Bilinear/trilinear filtered texturing
• 4/8-bit palettized texture, 16-bit
(1555ARGB, 565RGB, 4444ARGB)
• Multitexture support (up to 6 simultaneous
textures)
• Super-sampled antialiasing (NOTE: not sure of accuracy)
• Compressed texture support (DXT)
• 250 million pixels/sec. (NOTE: not sure of accuracy another source from Nvidia says the GOFORCE 3D 4800 has "geometry processing at 100 MegaPixals/sec")
• 5 million vertices/sec.
• 5 million triangles/sec. (NOTE: not sure of accuracy another source from Nvidia says the GOFORCE 3D 4800 has "1,500,000 triangles/sec")
• 1280kb of 128-bit wide embedded SRAM


(PSP GPU spec)

PSP Graphics Core

1-166MHz (1.2V)
512-bit bus
2MB eDRAM (VRAM)
5.3Gbps bus bandwidth
664 million pixels per second pixel fill rate
3D curved surface and 3D polygon engine
Support for compressed textures, hardware clipping, morphing, bone, tessellation, bezier, b-spline (NURBS) directional lighting, environment projection and texture mapping, fogging, alpha blending, depth and stencil tests, vertex blending, and dithering
Maximum of 35 million polygons per second
suface tessellation (divide by 16x16) 58k patches/sec
24-bit full color (RGBA)

(NOTE: PSP GPU's uses a graphic model based on surfaces, rather than polygons)

Cross
June 21st, 2005, 18:57
Thanks for that info above, I appear to have the specs wrong ^-^ on graphics, I still think the Giz will be a formable handheld in the homebrew department. Its to open compaired to the PSP but as I said the PSP is going to be FAR more popular with most gamers for the games they want then they are going to want to see what else they can do with it.