What the hell is going wrong in america?

[VampDude]

A friend of mine replied to it with a simple yet extremely true statement: "getting to ask a question to a visiting speaker is a priviledge, not a right"

Isn't there FREEDOM of Rights in America, like there was FREEDOM of Speech a good while ago?

as for my previous edit, it was based on info posted alongside a youtube video that someone who was there took, so it's firsthand hearsay. It could be that he barged in a half hour earlier and they waited until Kerry was finished before letting him ask his question, but it is clear that the entire time the cops are DIRECTLY behind him and start getting on his case after he doesn't just ask a question.

The cops are behind him, but they're a good distance away thou. If they saw that he was a potential threat they wouldn't of let him in if he supposedly barged in, they would've removed him there and then.

[pibs]

He did have his freedom of speech.He had his right taken away after disobeying the officers.

Its kinda like when you are at school and you have the right to say F**k yet u get in trouble if said in class because of school rules. so you see we have freedom of speech its just kinda fails under social rules.

btw im not some smart ass scholar or w/e but its kinda common sense. feel free to attack me its freedom of speech right? yet its regulated by the forum rules.

[VampDude]

He did have his freedom of speech.He had his right taken away after disobeying the officers.

Its kinda like when you are at school and you have the right to say F**k yet u get in trouble if said in class because of school rules. so you see we have freedom of speech

Freedom of speech allows you to speak what you want, if you cannot say F**k at school then theres an example of the persons freedom of speech and rights being taken away from them.

[quzar]

Isn't there FREEDOM of Rights in America, like there was FREEDOM of Speech a good while ago?

Since when are private functions governed by the same principles? If we didn't have freedom of speech, nobody in America would be seeing this video (it's not like youtube is much of an underground freedom center). In a private function like that, someone can be ejected for whatever reason the people hosting the function want. He did something they didn't want him to do, they asked him to leave, he refused.

If he had gotten up and said "is it true that you eat poop?" the same thing would have happened.

Freedom of Speech doesn't mean you get to say whatever you want whenever you want and damn the consequences. What it means it specifically (read the bill of rights) that the government will not pass laws that limit your freedom of speech. If whoever was running the even told the police to eject the person, for whatever reason, it does not infringe upon his freedom of speech.

I can understand your misconception though, most people do for some reason think freedom of speech is universal. I can't count the number of times I've had people respond to infractions about spam, insults, profanity or warez with: "hey I have a freedom of speech, so I can write whatever I want".

[pibs]

I can understand your misconception though, most people do for some reason think freedom of speech is universal. I can't count the number of times I've had people respond to infractions about spam, insults, profanity or warez with: "hey I have a freedom of speech, so I can write whatever I want".

exactly, the guy refused the officers demands and theres a law on that i believe.
5924.90 Assault - willfully disobeying an officer.
that makes him a criminal lol his rights are taken away

vamp don't you feel your rights violated since you weren't able to say F**k in your last post?

[quzar]

Freedom of speech allows you to speak what you want, if you cannot say F**k at school then theres an example of the persons freedom of speech and rights being taken away from them.

First of all, the first analogy was faulty because minors aren't entitled to the same rights as adults, and freedom of speech has clear exceptions for profanity and other such things (such as child pornography, advertisement, and things like protecting people's intellectual property).

Second of all, in the example his freedom of speech was never taken away, he was asked to leave because he used more time than they allowed, then he got all pissed off and faught against them.

[Cap'n 1time]

I can't count the number of times I've had people respond to infractions about spam, insults, profanity or warez with: "hey I have a freedom of speech, so I can write whatever I want".

You get those too huh? You see, everyone has freedom of speech, however we create rules and regulations. Because martin owns this site, hosts the site, and gives wraggster permission to do as he pleases (no doubt with his own set of regulations) He then has the right to limit what you can and cant talk about on DCemu.

SKIP THIS PART UNLESS YOU ARE INTERESTED IN SITE POLITICS!
Wraggster, of course pretty much lets us choose how to run the site and we mostly do things the Majority Rules way. This system would normally fail, however all the mods like (or at the very least get along with) each other. Very rarely do we have to vote or argue points since our site policy covers pretty much everything (though its still FAR from perfect) but it seems like at least once every couple of months some complicated issue comes along that we have to sort out.

There are no battles for power between the staff because everyone pretty much has an equal say with a very few exceptions. Anyway, no one wants to hear about site politics :P.

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Much like martin and wraggster can limit what you can and cant do on our site, The school running that open forum has its own set of rules. The idea behind these policies is to prevent conflict, not limit free speech.

This kid is an example of what happens when people ignore the rules. Things become uncomfortable, and law enforcement steps in as a last resort to prevent conflict.

Sadly, this is an example of law enforcement ****ing up. You cant taser an unarmed guy (regardless of how annoying they are) who doesnt exactly seem to be a physical threat to anyone. They have their own rules and regulations regarding how they can enforce the law and when they chose to ignore those rules things become uncomfortable and create even more conflict.

One final thought. Dont mess with your teachers, do what they say. You are still a little idiot in highschool... and you will continue to be on through college (if you are anything like me... and most of the population of teenage to young adult males). Your concerns should be Doing well in school, meeting babes, having safe sex, and just having fun. DO NOT ARGUE WITH THE SCHOOL SYSTEM REGARDLESS OF WHETHER YOU THINK YOU ARE CORRECT AND THEY ARE WRONG. Trust me, I did my fair share of this. Once you start paying your way through college you begin to see the world quite differently.


Please dont ever try to compare school government to national government again... That is absolutely ridiculous.