DCEmulation Vs DCEmulation - The Battle of the Dreamcast Scene

[wraggster]

The homebrew community over the years has had its fair share of fun and site wars including PS2 Newz vs PS2 Ownz and Tehskeen Vs MaX-console, DCEmu vs QJ and DCEmulation vs Consolevision all quite vocal on all sides and from a neutral standpoint rather funny i suppose.

But now the homebrew scene enters a new era with one site split down the middle with a battle between DCEmulation.Org (The Admins, Staff and Coders) vs DCEmulation.Com (Webmaster and Various Members)

The battle may be on the Dreamcast Communitys turf but its interesting to all homebrew fans to see how things progress.

On one side you have the webmaster who created DCEmulation and although used some rather shady tactics ie naughty roms, fake News did actually create a very good Dreamcast Site and Community which at its time was one of the very best anywhere with so many great staff and coders, sadly most have moved on now. Now for the Negative about the Webmaster, for years and thats at least 3 years he has had little to no time spent on DCEmulation and thats where the breakaway group came in, the group of admins, staff and coders have worked on the site for the last 3 years rebuilding it all.

There are rights and wrongs on both sides and to be honest if your not going to work on a site then maybe you should pass the site over to others, i myself did this with DCEvolution and i knew it was in better hands than i could manage at that time. A good webmaster will do that but on the other hand the webmaster created the site and the final word lies with him.

Now this brings me to the present day last week the database and site were moved to a new domain ie DCEmulation.Org and the old site on .com deleted but 007 Cheater responded by reinstalling the database and the site at DCEmulation.Com.

At this time you have 2 sides both who are very strong in their beliefs, i do not know the legalities of it all but it makes for one of the most interesting site wars for a long time, will either side prevail, that i dont know, myself i favour the breakaway .org folks because they have the scenes interest at heart but was it a good idea to move the forum database/site without asking, im sure it wasnt.

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More info on this in these newsposts

DCEmulation.org - Official Statement (http://dreamcast.dcemu.co.uk/dcemulation-org-official-statement-100391.html)

About dcemulation.com (http://dreamcast.dcemu.co.uk/about-dcemulation-com-100089.html)

DCEmulation.com is now DCEmulation.org (http://dreamcast.dcemu.co.uk/dcemulation-com-is-now-dcemulation-org-99481.html)

I must stress to all that DCEmu UK has nothing to do with any of the actions going off at DCEmulation but some of our staff are staff there so its very much of interest to us here and the Worldwide Homebrew Community at large.

I am happy for anyone to discuss the merits from both sides of the argument and hopefully the issue can be resolved as quick as possible.

[Mini Moose]

I don't understand. What's going on?

[Mark30001]

I don't understand. What's going on?

Reread wraggster's post, but slowly this time.

[Mini Moose]

Reread wraggster's post, but slowly this time.

I did. I read it like 5 times before I post the first time. I just couldn't find a definitive explanation.

Is there like a war or something going on? Legal battle? What?

[Mark30001]

More info on this in these newsposts

DCEmulation.org - Official Statement (http://dreamcast.dcemu.co.uk/dcemulation-org-official-statement-100391.html)

About dcemulation.com (http://dreamcast.dcemu.co.uk/about-dcemulation-com-100089.html)

DCEmulation.com is now DCEmulation.org (http://dreamcast.dcemu.co.uk/dcemulation-com-is-now-dcemulation-org-99481.html).

[Shadowblind]

I think...they should both get over it and regroup.

I'm sorry, too simple? It seems like the only thing in both interests would be to get over misunderstandings. Like adults, not politicians.

Still, for something happening online this sure is a lot of unnecessary drama. Long as I don't see death threats, I guess its still in control....

Honestly moving the site may be a big deal. However, unless they renamed it DCCRAPULREMJBF.com I think it still looks fine.

[JKKDARK]

I hope .org will win this war :)

[quzar]

I think...they should both get over it and regroup.

I'm sorry, too simple? It seems like the only thing in both interests would be to get over misunderstandings. Like adults, not politicians.

Still, for something happening online this sure is a lot of unnecessary drama. Long as I don't see death threats, I guess its still in control....

Honestly moving the site may be a big deal. However, unless they renamed it DCCRAPULREMJBF.com I think it still looks fine.

Imagine if instead of posting news here, wraggster only visited the network to post advertisements. That's basically what was going on with DCEmulation. The owner of the site, who had been last active maybe 7 years ago, had been using the site as an ad revenue due to the traffic that came through it. The people who had been running the site all this time finally got fed up with it and decided to cede. The only people left are some brand new users and a few people who had previously been banned (because in order to try to get more users, the owner cleared all the banned lists).

Wraggster's characterisation of the issue is designed to promote THIS DCEmu by saying that both sides in the above dispute are in the wrong, when that's simply not true. I can understand this notion, but it's most definetly colored by the fact that he split off from DCEmulation 4 years ago.

The situation is much closer to if wraggster were to move hosts, and martin decided to put up a backup of the DCEmu forums and site and claim that wraggster was a traitor and his site was the true one.

[mrquiteaguy]

DcEmulation was the very first dreamcast site i came accross.It was a very informative,well run site.Great for helping with the emulators on dc.
I hope people can sort their differences and I just want to thank the people who worked on the site for all their hard work in the past.

[Dull Blade]

Imagine if instead of posting news here, wraggster only visited the network to post advertisements. That's basically what was going on with DCEmulation. The owner of the site, who had been last active maybe 7 years ago, had been using the site as an ad revenue due to the traffic that came through it. The people who had been running the site all this time finally got fed up with it and decided to cede. The only people left are some brand new users and a few people who had previously been banned (because in order to try to get more users, the owner cleared all the banned lists).

Wraggster's characterisation of the issue is designed to promote THIS DCEmu by saying that both sides in the above dispute are in the wrong, when that's simply not true. I can understand this notion, but it's most definetly colored by the fact that he split off from DCEmulation 4 years ago.

The situation is much closer to if wraggster were to move hosts, and martin decided to put up a backup of the DCEmu forums and site and claim that wraggster was a traitor and his site was the true one.

couldn't of put it better myself.

As I see it, the .com domain stands little chance against the .org domain, with the backing of the admins and programmer their site will remain up to date and more current with the scene and also will house alot of the releases first. My support goes out to you guys at the .org domain.

[Shadowblind]

Imagine if instead of posting news here, wraggster only visited the network to post advertisements. That's basically what was going on with DCEmulation. The owner of the site, who had been last active maybe 7 years ago, had been using the site as an ad revenue due to the traffic that came through it. The people who had been running the site all this time finally got fed up with it and decided to cede. The only people left are some brand new users and a few people who had previously been banned (because in order to try to get more users, the owner cleared all the banned lists).

Wraggster's characterisation of the issue is designed to promote THIS DCEmu by saying that both sides in the above dispute are in the wrong, when that's simply not true. I can understand this notion, but it's most definetly colored by the fact that he split off from DCEmulation 4 years ago.

The situation is much closer to if wraggster were to move hosts, and martin decided to put up a backup of the DCEmu forums and site and claim that wraggster was a traitor and his site was the true one.

Then it sounds (putting it simply) that the webmaster at the .com is a total as*hole. Then my heart goes out to the .org. May I ask who the DCEmulation webmaster is(or was, as it may be...)?

[quzar]

Then it sounds (putting it simply) that the webmaster at the .com is a total as*hole. Then my heart goes out to the .org. May I ask who the DCEmulation webmaster is(or was, as it may be...)?

His name is Sean Bryant aka 007Cheatah.

[geise69]

Ooooh...online drama! *grabs popcorn*

Seriously, the whole thing is kinda childish but I understand. A long time ago I used to go to the .com site. It was great! As of late though before this all happened I could tell it was just a place to get revenue from ads. I'm kind of glad to see it has moved.

[stevo11185]

they both need to stfu. Who cares about who has one website or another. I know kids that act more responsibly than these people. really dont care bout whats happening and it really is such a trivial matter that it shouldnt have even been posted.

[R4mbo]

Ofcourse the .org team should win, I mean, those are the real people^^ No one goes on a website which should be about homebrew to read lots of advertises... Maybe these people should join dcemu^^ They could code and share there projects here, or help developing the uncomplete Beta Stuff here. And wtf? The database consist of stuff the visitors/developers did, and not the Webmaster^^ They are just moving their own stuff, not?

[WHurricane16]

I don't understand. What's going on?

7+ years of silliness, my friend. Truly, these people have nothing else to do with their time.

Persecutor, Rescuer and Victim.....damn, who's who here? Still, I have to side with 007Cheetah on this. Guy did some douche bag type stuff back in the day, but it is his site, no? Then again, I don't know the full story this time around nor do I think I want to know.

I'm going back into my hole.

edit: gosh, I actually took the time to read some of what's going on. Really, drama over this? 7+ years of silliness. Everyone got what they deserved in this situation because you all knew what you were dealing with. What am I saying? Some from Consolevision went back to DCEmulation after they left DCEmulation for the same reason: 007Cheater. Guess some people never learn. For a douche bag, I still think 007Cheater will rise from the ashes again...somehow. You guys are f'ing with his money. :D

Internet drama. Grab a tub of buttered down popcorn. Then again, maybe this show is over. Doubt it, we'll be here 6 years from now saying the same thing, and 007Cheater will still be turning you tricks out.

[|darc|]

7+ years of silliness, my friend. Truly, these people have nothing else to do with their time.

Persecutor, Rescuer and Victim.....damn, who's who here? Still, I have to side with 007Cheetah on this. Guy did some douche bag type stuff back in the day, but it is his site, no? Then again, I don't know the full story this time around nor do I think I want to know.

I'm going back into my hole.

edit: gosh, I actually took the time to read some of what's going on. Really, drama over this? 7+ years of silliness. Everyone got what they deserved in this situation because you all knew what you were dealing with. What am I saying? Some from Consolevision went back to DCEmulation after they left DCEmulation for the same reason: 007Cheater. Guess some people never learn. For a douche bag, I still think 007Cheater will rise from the ashes again...somehow. You guys are f'ing with his money. :D

Internet drama. Grab a tub of buttered down popcorn. Then again, maybe this show is over. Doubt it, we'll be here 6 years from now saying the same thing, and 007Cheater will still be turning you tricks out.

This news post is incredibly sensationalized. There is no "battle." The entire site simply moved to a new domain and host, without Cheatah. When respected staff members start getting banned, action is needed. You can see it as silly net drama if you like, but no one asked for this to be publicized, and certainly not in the manner here. And by the way, 007Cheater is gone now, so it doesn't matter. I grew up with the community at DCEmu and I wasn't going to let it implode.