Goodbye PSP v2.00, hello v2.01

[wraggster]

Source- Joystiq (http://www.joystiq.com/entry/1234000597061267/)

Sony is preparing to release its next dose of PSP firmware, hoping to combat the latest hacker victory, which allows PSP owners to downgrade their v2.00 systems to v1.50. A spokesman for Sony commented, “We plan to deal with this issue with the next system update.” While Sony has not specified a release date for their next firmware upgrade, the company will most certainly enforce it with the wave of upcoming holiday titles—starting, perhaps, with GTA: LCS. And for those of you hoping the next upgrade will include a host of new features, don’t count on it, v2.01 (or whatever it will be called) will likely be quick and dirty tidy.

[ShinSean]

*to $orny* resistance is futile - you will be |-|4XX<>R3|> @_@ heh heh

[jimjamjahaa]

hah! ahahahaaaa! let them *try*. tee hee hee. it feels good to be 1.5

about half way tru playing super metroid for the 4th time already :D (edit: thats the 4th time in total, not just psp :P). its a perfect game for the psp really. 2.1? no thx

[YourStillWithMe]

I will keep my 1.5 forever as seeing as I have 2 psp's i hope that a firmware trick will work for that lame upgrade!!!!

Sony-Your stupid system will always get hacked somehow no system is EVER Perfect why do you all think windows is constantly updated? Macs? The Gameboy Releases? There is always something to fix or improve upon in life and sony is just being a big *** in a bag. . .

[Tron_Fan]

I guess I am still scratching my head over why Sony cares if we play Pong,Tetris, or Sega games on the PSP. Are they liable in any way for their unit running roms? It's not going to keep us from buying UMD games... or movies.

I just don't understand the overt hostility towards developers... especially since no one has taken away ANY of their profits.

[poison2003]

well its mostly coz ppl burn teh umds on the comp and launch them in 1.5

[Tron_Fan]

I see. Maybe they should better protect their UMD's then from piracy instead of taking the wind of out homebrew developers.

Just like mp3's the entertainment industry is blind when it comes to a major money making opportunity basically staring them in the face. If they would embrace this, and market it properly, they could potentially attract a whole new demographic for their product.

It will take something like the scope of the iPod in the portable gaming world to make everyone who is in the ivory towers understand that having the capability for user side development is good.

[Cirus]

wish someone from sony could read this. Well if they make newer games etc with verion 2.00+ then ppl with 1.5 will most likely download the ISO cos they know it wont run on there 1.5, which in my opinion is stupid. if all games ran on any firmware then likes of me with 1.5 could go out and buy it which i hopefully but dont wanna upgrade from 1.5 = sony loose alot of money. there tryin to get new users to not be able to play "homebrew" and dont give a fuk about lower firmware users, forcing them to upgrade for a game or 2, this will only encourage hackers to make firmware changer and ISO loaders even more.
game which works for all firmwares would probably sell more than ones that only work on 2.01 etc. if it came down to it i would get the ISO of GTA if it meant me to upgrade to 2.xx ( only cos it wouldnt work = gay = sony omg use ya brains )

[Psychondrius]

DO NOT, for one second, believe that the Sony PSP is for your convienence. It IS for profit. Otherwise, sony would not have hesitated to stamp your precious homebrew apps out. Sony is making plenty of money from your purchasing their overpriced system, games, movies, and even their accessories. The largest threat against them is the piracy of their games for the PSP, but thats no reason to stamp homebrew creativity. They should just have created better security on their UMDs, not the overall system (firmware). Haven't they heard of data encryption? And if they are really listening to their customers, why oh why don't they create a legitamate way of creating applications besides forcibly making programmers use their 'patented' UMDs to make them? I will stay at 1.50 from now on, thank you very much!

- Psychondrius

[YourStillWithMe]

I agree with Cirus


DO NOT, for one second, believe that the Sony PSP is for your convienence

umm than why in the hell would we buy it? So my neighbor could play it???

To the previous poster-No disrespect man but hes right! lets use the memory sticks for example ok the 2GB is sooooo expensive to most of us right?

But would you buy (money and PROFIT) if the price was lowered? If you say no to this question than your crazy. . .yes of course you would!

Now lets go back into sonys situation-Ok, people have cracked the new 2.0 and found a leak that could lead to running ISOS ok if we have cracked 1.00, 1.5, and 2.0 we can obviously find a leak in 1.51 and 1.52. So basically if sony creates a 2.20 or 2.40 or whatever the hell dont you think WE WILL CRACK that and what do you know? History repeats itself and there is no such thing as an uncrackable system. Take security cameras also as another example; which is a form of security, they have a downfall they have a blindspot!
Every system has a leak!!!!!

Now if sony said hey, why dont we stop with these upgrades to firmwares even though we may dislike it because people would steal our pirated games and let them enjoy there emus and games and ATTRACT MORE CUSTOMERS. If you heard sony stopped these updates what would you think? Most likely "omg sony thats awesome i will so stop pirating games now because none of them have updates which FORCE ME TO PIRATE THEM.) but now people are hearing they have a new update which stops homebrew and isos that just makes you hate sony even more. I know a lot of psp users that dont even know about the psp scene. There being stupid japs about this its ridiculous. . . .This isn't just to you man (no offence or anything. . .) its to EVERYONE

[jimjamjahaa]

well, i dont think you will get anyone disagreeing arround here with that. course we all want sony to be nice. theyre a big bunch of.... never mind.

damnit if they released the sdk for psp then there would be very little need for people to go snooping arround cracking sonys system wide open. even if there were people doing it, the demand would be so much smaller. the majority want to be able to play homebrew and emulators etc. the moajority dont care if they do it legit or not. the majority dont want to know anything about the psp, they just want to play the cool games. i was going somewhere with that.... you fill in the blanks.

and to mr. psp isnt made for your convenience... well.... it is. convenient gaming/umd video/ music. i think what you are getting at is that it isnt marketed at being something for people to conveniently write their own apps on.

[wraggster]

Sony have to stop emulation and homebrew as if they dont they will be threatened with court action by the likes of Nintendo.

All the loaders released have killed off any chance that we had of them leaving homebrew alone.

Piracy does harm to them and us and thats a fact.

[Tron_Fan]

Sony have to stop emulation and homebrew as if they dont they will be threatened with court action by the likes of Nintendo.

I guess I don't understand that. Is Microsoft held responsible for what people write using Visual Studio? Is Sun held liable for anything written in Java?

Giving us the ability to develop on the PSP should not be an evil thing. It would MAKE them money and attract a clientel. It's not their (or our) fault that emulators are written. That's something that the respective copyright owners need to take up with the developers or people owning roms illegally.

Sony seems to be ignorant of the PSP's potential and want it to be a game playing, movie munching music player. It could be so much more, which is depressing.

[Psychondrius]

I wish though they found a way to just stop the piracy and not homebrew. I'm impressed by the many nice applications coders have created for our little PSPs. And I meant to say in my previous post, 'Do not think for one second that the PSP is for your convienence' I meant to add the word JUST in there, but after AreYouStillWithMe posted , I noticed my mistake. And I AM glad we have SanDisk around to put Sony at odds with their Memory Sticks.

- Psychondrius

You're right though about Sony stopping homebrew in its tracks when it comes down to piracy. I still wish Sony would just create an app that makes it easier for coders and legit applications (not emus or umd loaders...) to be allowed to run on the PSP. Why cant they just make one that uses MD5 hashing or something to allow only specific programs that Sony would have to digitally sign to run on the PSP?

[Zephyroth_drgs]

well if they think that ppl are upgrading at least i hope they include BIG upgrades, like flash and java suport to the xplorer, mp3 sharing, fat32 support to formating MS(can that be possible? any one knows?), support another codecs 4 video, etc. any other way its just crap, shitty nu firmware....

[DrSarcasmo]

Sony is a large corporation. They are firmly mired in a bureaucracy that will never let them support homebrew. They can't. Corporate culture discourages this at every level.

Here in America we used to support the spirit of homebrew development (remember Apple in it's infancy? Bell Telephone?) but now our corporations are are so large that they can't remember what started all this in the first place. And even if they did, the marketing divisions and thier focus groups quash anything that is creative. It all gets mixed down to a homogenous, tasteless stew that we are all too ready to gulp down.

They are in business to make money. Just like you and I. The main reason, as I see it, that they quash homebrew is all the warez kiddies copying the UMDs and not buying the software that makes the money for developers who will be discouraged at not making a profit and stop developing software for our PSPs.
It's that simple.

You can rationalize pirating all you want, but with a userbase that's this small, and with not a lot of big hits on the system yet, this will bring game development down, bigtime. And the PSP users will be crying that no good software is being developed for the PSP.

You dug your own grave, boyos. Lie down and be quiet, because there is no rationalisation you can use to defend your piracy and the inevitable downfall of the system you love.

Sony has made a few incredible blunders in it's business decisions over the years. They developed Betamax, to compete with VHS when videotapes were in it's infancy. They wanted to dominate the newly blossoming video market. The trouble is, they didn't allow ANY porn to be put on the Betamax tapes. That's right, they locked out the very business that started the video revolution in the first place...LOL VHS allowed porn films and so they creamed Betamax and Betamax went the way of the dodo.

Then they introduced the Mini-Disc. No one bought them here in the U.S. Well, not the masses that Sony wanted. Sony's love affair with propriatery
formats is EXACTLY what hurts them. Everytime. Like clockwork.

Sony's huge successes, such as the Playstation and especially the walkman
are what made them the huge in the first place. The walkman uses cassette tapes, a tried and true format that millions of people us everyday. People were able to make their own mixes and carry them around with them on a cheap, easily accesable format. Sony made a mint. Too bad they forgot what made them the dough in the first place and now concentrate on propriatery
formats that will ultimately fail.

I'd love to be in a board meeting when a new format is introduced and hear the phrase "THIS one will succeed!" I want to be the one who inserts the image of a warehouse full of unsold Super Trooper UMDs in the corporate slideshow. I wouldn't say a word. I'd just show that image anytime someone proposes why their format will succeed where all Sony's other formats failed.

DVDs are here to stay. UMDs willl fade away.

Another hard lesson for Sony.

Geez, I'm a freakin' windbag today...


DrSarcasmo

[RedKing14CA]

DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN DAMN!!!! i just sent in my version 1.5 for a version 2.0 yesterday, the lady on the phone TOLD ME i would get a 2.0!!! SO I BETTER, OR LEST THE FATHER STOP ME, I SHALL TAKE ACTION AGAINST THEM!!!!

[Psychondrius]

Nicely said ...er posted, DrSarcasmo :)

- Psychondrius

[Datahax]

Maybe I'm out of line here but it seems like all it is now is people bitching at each other back in forth about either Sony sux or pwns for various reasons.

You argue on and on about "Why doesn't Sony just let us do this!?" "This is why" "That's a stupid reasons because of this" "That makes no sense" etc when really it doesn't matter. It's not like Sony watches these posts and makes decisions based on what you say.

So you can bicker back and forth all you want I couldn't give a damn. But just letting you know your 10 paragraph posts on why your right is being read and cared about only by those who have nothing better to do with their lives than try to analyze and understand Sony's business plans.

[Tron_Fan]

I think you’re wrong for chastising us for voicing our opinions/comments. This is an open board for the most part and we’re just discussing a topic that is near and dear to us. If we were on here talking about…….oh.. the price of gas, then yeah maybe I’d agree with you that our rants are out of place.

Will Sorny care? Of course not. Will they take our advice and go with it? Again, no. Are we right? Yep. :)

[jimjamjahaa]

Sony have to stop emulation and homebrew as if they dont they will be threatened with court action by the likes of Nintendo.
where d'u hear that from!? have nintendo/sony/sega/atari/apple/spectrum/amiga sued microsoft for allowing people to write their own programs for windows, and some people making emulators???? i think not. emulators arent illegal anyway. else how would people be distributing them so publicly? i mean there is even a windows emulator for linux (mostly directx,) called wine. and that is microsoft we are talking about. if there was even a chance they could sue the developers of wine, they would have done so.

and what about that new handheld coming out with the amazing specs that is pretty much solely designed to play homebrew/emu.

[/rant]

the only thing they dont want is piracy, and as most of us have said, we dont care much for it either. they are shooting themselves in the foot with the forced update thing, caus it might make me concider runing the iso.

[Datahax]

Are we right? Yep. :)

That itself is an opinion though, obviously by Sony's perspective your not right at all.

[Tron_Fan]

That itself is an opinion though, obviously by Sony's perspective your not right at all.

Well, not necessarily. Sony wants to stop software piracy. They do that by taking away the ability to develop on the PSP, as opposed to developing a way to protect their investments and allow for the PSP to be open enough to support software development.
Sony might think that they would indeed like to have the ability to allow users to develop on the PSP, but it's more cost effective to tell us "That's not what the PSP was designed for." In their eyes my suggestion would require a lot of $$$ to be invested on their part with ZERO return. They can't tell us "Yeah, that would be cool but.....no." That would piss a lot of people off. They HAVE to adopt the rigid stance against any development.

So it's all about the money and less about what's actually feasible. What my point is, is that it could be a big opportunity for them, but they are too blind/greedy/stupid/whatever to see it. Someone else will though, in the future.

[Datahax]

Sony might think that they would indeed like to have the ability to allow users to develop on the PSP

Ok now I'm being really nit picky and fighting back and forth stupidly myself but the key word is MIGHT. We don't actually know what they're thinking or planning or wanting.

[Tron_Fan]

fighting back and forth stupidly myself

I'm not fighting. Just making a little idle blather on a Saturday morning. It's clearly starting to upset you, so maybe I'll go do the Daily Jumble instead.

ciao!

[groovemaster303]

I love the old school emus Metal Slug on neogeocd is awesome
and piracy is very bad for the psp as a whole however
i feel the one major thing i would worry about losing in updating is my 333mhz
cpu.
with madden 06 its too big to fit on memory stick which is good i feel but without setting the cpu's clock to 333 gameplay is sluggish at times.
sony will also try to be one step ahead if it takes 2 weeks or two months to crack firmware 2.01 it will only be a matter of days before sony decides to update to 2.02

[Datahax]

I'm not fighting. Just making a little idle blather on a Saturday morning. It's clearly starting to upset you, so maybe I'll go do the Daily Jumble instead.

ciao!

Eh, nah not upset. I just have this uncontrolable urge to be right constantly...*eye twitch* Forget I said anything and lets just move on.