The 2008 Election

[Eviltaco64]

Well, the United States election is coming up very soon. We all know the main candidates Barack Obama (Democrat) and John McCain (Republican) and Vice Presidential candidates Joe Biden (D) and Sarah Palin (R).

I'm not going to give my opinions on these men, however, I encourage anyone who doesn't know as much as they think they should about either candidate to do some research and vote (beware of media bias from both sides).

As in the real election, votes will be private. So no one will start flaming you if they disagree with your views. Feel free to post your opinion on here, but don't get so in depth on a controversial subject, as that is where the fighting starts. Also remember that if this topic gets too out of hand it will be locked by a staff member.

So cast your vote!

[BlueCrab]

Also remember that if this topic gets too out of hand it will be locked by a staff member.
I'd rather not lock the topic, so keep everything under control in here.

On that note, all I have to say is Obama/Biden '08 :D.

[kcajblue]

barack obama.
if i was registered.
sadly, i didnt take the time to do so.

[masterchief929]

umm.... i started a topic like this a while back and got a warning and was half a step away from getting CP... with that said.... McCain/Palin!

[Buddy4point0]

Obama.

[ICE]

I like the US as a capitalist country so I'm going with McCain.

[BlueCrab]

umm.... i started a topic like this a while back and got a warning and was half a step away from getting CP... with that said.... McCain/Palin!

The problem with that thread was the direction it took. Blasting other's political beliefs and spreading completely wrong/hateful information is what ended that thread. If this thread turns like that one, it'll be locked. I hope to not see that happen.


I like the US as a capitalist country so I'm going with McCain.
I'd like to point out that McCain (yes, Obama did too) voted for the bailout bill. I fail to see how the bailout bill is in the best interests of capitalism (isn't capitalism's greatest creed to let the market sort itself out without government intervention?). The whole Obama = Socialist thing just doesn't jive. Especially not when, at least recently, McCain's been just as much of an anti-capitalist as you could claim Obama has been.

[ICE]

He thinks that if you earn more money than other people you should be forced to give some of your money to them. He wants to "spread the wealth around". I really fail to see how McCain has been anywhere near as socialist as Obama. He was in a socialist party..

I give you a quote from the "New Party", a political party established by the Democratic Socialists of America (the DSA) to push forth the socialist principles of the DSA by focusing on winnable elections at a local level and spreading the Socialist movement upwards.

"New Party members are busy knocking on doors, hammering down lawn signs, and phoning voters to support NP candidates this fall. Here are some of our key races... Illinois: Three NP-members won Democratic primaries last Spring and face off against Republican opponents on election day: Danny Davis (U.S. House), Barack Obama (State Senate) and Patricia Martin (Cook County Judiciary)."

The guy wants to ship $845 billion so that people in other countries will have more money. Thats socialism on the grandest scale I've seen.

[Kaiser]

I'm going to be honest with you guys. Most Americans have no idea what real socialism is. To Canadians Obama is center-right. I'm sure most Europeans know what I'm talking about as like us they've been exposed and even elected real socialist governments. Taxing the rich more then the poor is not socialism. However buying out bad banks is somewhat socialist, two things both supposedly conservative McCain and Bush supported (as BC said before).

As for my own opinion,

I used to really like McCain once upon a time however his actions over the course of this campaign destroyed the good man he once has. He's degenerated into an old man desperate for the Presidential office knowing this might be his last chance. Obama on the other hand is young, witty and his ideas are pretty reasonable even for a fiscal conservative/classical liberal such as myself. Plus I probably like Obama's VP pick more then Obama. Biden is fantastic, especially when you compare him to that backward ass idiot Pallin.


The guy wants to ship $845 billion so that people in other countries will have more money. Thats socialism on the grandest scale I've seen.
Socialism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy)
I am far from a socialist but I think you should have a better understanding of the ideology.

[Eviltaco64]

Biden is fantastic, especially when you compare him to that backward ass idiot Pallin.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Glrnb_G34E4

They've all got their bad moments.

[ICE]

That link is to Social democracy not Socialism.. Theres a big difference. I do have a good understanding of socialism, as does Obama. Even if you dont understand Socialism then you should at least understand that "spreading the wealth" is not capitalist and is not American.

If you worked your butt off and managed to get a business up and running and you're just starting to do well then Obama thinks that you should give some of your hard earned cash to the people who are poorer than you. People who cant hold down a job. If you have money then its just not fair if the next guy doesnt. Bull crap if you ask me.

That IS Socialism and whether he admits to it or not, which he doesnt, a large amount of his ideas are based in Socialism.

I was really hoping we could stray away from name calling of the candidates and things like that.. I mean if people call the people on the side I support idiots I might be inclined to do the same and that would likely lead to escalation.

[Accordion]

@ICE

yep, let the poor suffer.

they're all just lazy thats all.

[ICE]

@ICE

yep, let the poor suffer.

they're all just lazy thats all.

Dont put words in my mouth man.. Thats not what I said and you know it. Im not against charity. Im against forced charity.

[Accordion]

I agree, shouldn't be forced. Should not need to be forced…

calm, calm.

[Kaiser]

That link is to Social democracy not Socialism.. Theres a big difference. I do have a good understanding of socialism, as does Obama. Even if you dont understand Socialism then you should at least understand that "spreading the wealth" is not capitalist and is not American.
There isn't a big difference. The form of socialism taken up in democratic countries is democratic socialism.



If you worked your butt off and managed to get a business up and running and you're just starting to do well then Obama thinks that you should give some of your hard earned cash to the people who are poorer than you. People who cant hold down a job. If you have money then its just not fair if the next guy doesnt. Bull crap if you ask me.
What about the trust fund kid who hasn't broken a sweat in his life that receives millions of dollars from failed banks. If the economy was healthier, and the market kept in check he would of been fired and punished for such disastrous management. Instead the small businesses once financed by the bank gets the rug pulled under its feat.

Remember, I proudly stand by an open market economy, but a market economy needs to be kept in check in times where extreme abuses are taking place that hurt the overall performance of the economy. This doesn't make me a socialist.



That IS Socialism and whether he admits to it or not, which he doesnt, a large amount of his ideas are based in Socialism.
Taxing the rich more then the poor is still not socialism.



I was really hoping we could stray away from name calling of the candidates and things like that.. I mean if people call the people on the side I support idiots I might be inclined to do the same and that would likely lead to escalation.
Who cares? this is no personal attack against you merely an argument of viewpoints on a forum. I'm actually quite in line with most traditional ('conservative' if you must call it) policies and I find Pallin an embarrassment to the once quite distinguished McCain. I stand by my statement.

[quzar]

Before the VPs were nominated I was solidly McCain. Now I'm in the middle and trying to find any info on what his views about the role of VP should be. Since it is defined on a per-president basis (other than the few traditional roles), if he's just going to have Palin cast the tiebreaking vote and plan some parties I'm still with 'im. If anyone knows, I'd appreciate sharing.