PSIX Feature List Released

[wraggster]

We already posted a week or so ago about the emergence of the PSIX replacement shell (http://www.naoneo.com/) project and today a feature list of that project has been unveiled, heres the listing:

<blockquote>Features to be included for launch day :

- Eboot/UMD Launching with Psix callback
- Fully featured audio player
- Audio player playlist with shuffle, repeat, loop etc.
- Image viewer
- CPU Speed adjustment
- Customizable eboot icons
- File manager
- Two professional skins, Default and Termina
- Module management system
- Customizable backgrounds

Features for future releases :

- Network functionality, updating, downloading and sharing
- Video playback (may make it for release)
- Advanced boot configuration (2.00 eboot support)
- RSS reader

Modules :-

- Ski-Free
- Text reader/editor
- Notebook
- PBP (Psix Basic Painter)
- Psix Calendar/Scheduler </blockquote>

Hmm paying for homebrew is a no no just like paying for homebrew downloads and lets be fair any site that does that deserves the beating Sony will no doubt give them, Dreamcast Fans will remember Bleemcast and what Sony did there with lawsuits etc. Lets keep our Homebrew scene free, sure all coders deserve our donations but paying for homebrew and other ideas like paying for premium membership and downloads must never be entertained by the mainstream.

Agree or disagree ? answer via the comments

[indstr]

agree. paying for homebrew is retarded and it is something i will never do

[weak]

it's up to the authors if they want to sell their software as long as they're not violating any copyrights or licenses.

[slayer2psp]

good luck i will not buy it and as soon as one persone gets it we can all have it for free anyways go work for sony if you want to sell it

[PSPloverz]

Wraggster, once again you fail to help the scene at all

Did you post about the PDR project on Naoneo? No..do you even know what that is? If you don't, then I suggest you look on the site!

Here's what Fluff has had to say recently:


To be completely honest, if we were to continue to make software for the psp, it'd be only available to psix pro users, not because i want to make more money, but because honestly, people are narrow minded arrogant asses about everything, disrespecting the developers at the drop of a hat, they complain that a pay-version exists, seemingly completely overlooking the free version which is more functional than any other shell out at this time, to me the purchase of psix pro doesnt just mean cha-ching money, it shows me that said user appreciates the application and respects the work we've done, which makes me feel more inclined to give said users additional benefits such as games we probably wont release anywhere else.

People sit and say charging for psix pro will be the death of the psp scene, but theyre wrong, the freeloading asswipes with no respect for the hand that feeds their mouths, are the ones killing the scene, all they want to do is take, take and take some more, if anything appears that required them to give a single thing back, they flare up in a rage.

So honestly, no, we will be too busy working on updates to psix to bother publicly releasing dual saviour, however we'll just give betas to psix pro users instead.

Now on a serious note, i want you people reading this post to go to the main site and read all the comments on the psix news post, then ask yourself this.
If you spent the past 7 months working on an application, and in those 7 months your father passed away, and you stopped updating because you were obviously away for good reasons, only to return to find people flaming and claiming the software you are working on is vapourware, then, CONSTANTLY be harrased for the next 6 months about the application you're working on, you finally think what the hell we can release soon, i'll let people know its out soon", only to have comments like those on the front page thrown at you, from ill informed people without a clue about the software you worked on, just how pissed off would you feel?
If it wasnt for the fact alot of decent respectful people are looking forward to trying out psix, i'd be sorely tempted to say screw it, and ditch the free version all together, but dispite the anger over the disrespectful asses, and the constant flaming, personal attacks and bull****, we've kept on trucking and we're a week away from release,

To people who may end up buying psix, enjoy the lite version, and think about the exciting new additions the updates will bring to you

To people waiting for it to be cracked and download it for free, screw you

Wraggster, please, spare us your news posts that flame our good developers, there is a FREE VERSION!!! SO STOP COMPLAINING

[pakkman781]

Righto! Commercial Homebrew = Wrong. Isn't Sony's commercialism what we're fighting here?

[7thMorning]

hi! new here and to the psp i just got it like last week so all this stuff you can do is cool and i luv this site. but what do you mean by


Hmm paying for homebrew is a no no just like paying for homebrew downloads

where do you have to pay to download homebrew?!?!????? :confused:

[Fanjita]

Righto! Commercial Homebrew = Wrong. Isn't Sony's commercialism what we're fighting here?

Umm... no, not really. Sony are more than welcome to develop hardware and games that we will pay for. You can't expect them to do all this for free.

What I personally am against (and I can't speak for everyone else) is Sony's attempt to control our freedom over what we do with the device. So long as what I do isn't harming Sony's bottom line (and is probably even helping it), then I think it should be allowed.

As for charging for homebrew - I can't say it's my idea of the right thing to do, but it's Fluff's prerogative to charge if it's felt appropriate. So long as Sony have no objection (which remains to be seen), then who does it hurt? You don't have to buy it if you don't want it, it's not like a shell is essential to your PSP's well-being.

[Killing2Live]

I dont think its all that bad, just look at it as a donation for the hard work they've done. Pacmanfan isnt asking for donations yet im sure he recieves them because people are happy for what he has done/doing for the community. Now it may be going over the line with forcing a donation but they offer a lite version for free so I am not complaining one bit and if you could spare a few dollars and give them a pat on the back for there hard work they may actually want to start coding more for the psp.

[theelise]

I have to agree that homebrew should be free however i agree with fanj that if the author feels that he should charge for it then he is entitled to. However i am very sorry but from reading some of psix creators posts, there entire attitude some how reminds me of the mess that yoshi caused. Now i know this is not the same what i am saying is my personal feelings toward this author have changed dramitcally due to their behaviour.

They advise us not to bitch and moan yet do the same them selfs and sell their product for finacial gain and only release beta's onto the product that the pro version users paid for, this seems somewhat hypocritical and i do not like being told the only way i can get future release's is to pay for the software in the first place. Yes there is a free version but as stated pro users will get beta's and extras ect ect.. "to me this is similar to sony forcing us to upgrade to get better movie quality or to be anle to play the latest game"

Again this is just my opinion and i am not trying to convert or convince anyone else of it, just airing my view that if they produced a piece of software that i genually thought was great i would donate money to the author, the same as when a great game comes out i buy it and dont download it. How do i know and how can i trust this person who is shouting "**** you assholes" etc etc etc to give me good customer service with the 15 bucks he is offering. How do i know the updates WILL continue. How do we know this.. we dont. Supply a superb piece of software and let it be free and support and maintain it well and watch the support flood in. But tell people what to do and you are loosing a large part of an already small market, not good business ethics IHMO.

Personally i would love to see the owner relase the source and watch the product develop into the biggest/best shell for the psp but i know (and understand why) that will never happen.
I really do hope they chose not to try and charge people for this as it really does turn me off and giving the people you are trying to sell this product to a load of jip (abuse) is not a good way to get us on side.

Over and out.

[Mustang]

Commercialism is one thing, rewarding hard work is another : if an app cuts the mustard I can't see any reason not to pay for it and also the money goes straight to the people who count in this case : the authors, rather than being split between retailers / distributors / etc, not some greedy suits who have no idea what is going on here....

Everyone here is entitled to their opinion though - there's always going to be a free alternative (psp oss looks like it could go pretty far given it's open source heritage).

cheers for posting the news wraggs :)

[10shu]

i think it s wrong to sell homebrew and i don t think sony will be happy about un-registered develloper selling software on the web.

anyway psix was hot 6 months ago...psp-oss is opensource and free...

[MadMonkee]

If Sony allows it, why not sell it. If it's REALLY AMAZING of a homebrew, I'd pay for it. It better be "Woaah that's some cool shit!" amazing though.

[flingo]

I don't agree with a commercial homebrew because it 's gonna kill the underground scene. When you want make a commercial game or application for platforms, you need a license from those companies(Sony, Nintendo...). Remember some years ago with bleem for psx, they got a lawsuit from sony because it was a commercial emulator. since sony and nintendo goes against emulation scene for a while. Warez scene died for the same reasons. There is no difference for the psp scene, if the money is they gonna looking for it and kill the scene in the same time. Sony just improve the firmware and that 's enough to get a challenge for programmers

[lilvietquoc]

i wonder if sony has like...
members on this site
to like...put down developers on purpose
so they wont develope anymore...???
=/

[ken9]

we should pay them for their hard work but the homwbrew scene is soppused to b 4 fun and pennyless...btw kind of off topic but ********** makes u pay 4 teh call of duty 2 demo...tats really cheap!

[ajsblingbling]

what im wondering here is, how is this sapose to kill the
homebrew "scene"?.
personaly i cant see it affecting it any, i dont remmber who
it was but back in the nintendo days there where company's
who put out games on there self made nintendo carts, that
didint kill anyone or anything.
i agree with fluff on one thing, the psp "scene" is extreamly
harsh, not just to the people making the software but everyone
all around.....as far as the scene goes, you treat people like
@#$ what do you think is going to happen?, the plain fact is
people are doing this in there spare time as a hoby, it has
to be worth it to them and all the @#$# head's out there make
it so its not.....

i think the main fact here is, if you like the shell pay for it, if not
dont, sony might sue them but they might not....other then
that its not going to effect anyone or anything......just leave
the coders alone and let them develop how they want, show
you hate something by not downloading it, not by throwing a bunch
of mouthy bullshit at the person thats making it

[bobnickelson]

i don't think they can get sued for selling a homebrew os, aslong as it doesn't have copyrighted material, and the fact that all the psp-devtools were made from scratch basically, sony can't sue them. Selling an emulator on the other hand is a different story, bleem is a perfect example of what happens.

[flingo]

are you so naive at this point ?!!!, if this stuff attract sony for a lawsuit, it will be the beginning of some pressure for many programmers as fanjitas. Take recently the ms driller clone, it's free homebrew but Nintendo would attend a lawsuit for an attempt to the copyright. Keep sony far away from the scene, it's gonna be better for the hombrews. No place for the money makers in underground scene, that's not an objectif
for many programmers. Psix use many free tools from ps2dev to make money with a pseudo software.

[Illegal Machine]

i wonder if sony has like...
members on this site
to like...put down developers on purpose
so they wont develope anymore...???
=/

I don't work for sony, and Im totally against these assholes charging for thier nonexistant work.


they can suck my ass.

[bobnickelson]

are you so naive at this point ?!!!, if this stuff attract sony for a lawsuit, it will be the beginning of some pressure for many programmers as fanjitas. Take recently the ms driller clone, it's free homebrew but Nintendo would attend a lawsuit for an attempt to the copyright.

ms. driller clone is different though, it's a clone of something that has already been copyrighted. i don't know to much of Psix though, but i don't see how he could get sued.. but i bet if sony really wanted to they would whip up something

[F9zDark]

I personally believe that homebrew should be a free endeavor. For instance, what is stopping a game company, who hasn't acquired all of Sony's licenses to produce and sell PSP games from using legal reverse engineering practices that has produced the PSP SDK and the wealth of knowledge that we have about PSP homebrew coding, to make homebrew games and then sell for profits?

That would certainly give Sony more initiative to strike down homebrew in my opinion.

However, would I pay for PSix if it was good enough? Sure I would. But I'd rather see developers cover their tracks with the practice, "Donators get better features from our homebrew!" for instance. Such a practice would really eliminate Sony's ambitions of bringing down homebrew from a legal standpoint (since, technically, its a charity, that offers the benefit of a more functional program. Similar to PBS donations being awarded with 'prizes' depending on the amount of the donation).

Pay for homebrew directly? No. Donate for better featured homebrew? Certainly.

[romz.rr]

Lol, Fluff's a f.ucktard and has no rights what-so-ever to be called or be part of the so said fake "psp-scene"

If you were any true scener you f.ucking ass-wipe should know that the number #1 rule for all rls Pc/movies/console/etc is to NOT sell products... If you dont follow this very simple rule then you are demned to be banned from all topsites and be laughed/hated by all real groups.. noob...

People like Fluff and other f.ucktards are the reason why Humma and other true old time skeners quitted...

And also ur lil app only works for 1.5 which is not the majority of the users... think about all the lil kiddies who will complain once they discover ur shitty app doesn't load on their psp..

Keep it free or get out!

[theelise]

I have to agree again. Dam.. Why has this got my back up so much.

[alepus]

Wraggster, once again you fail to help the scene at all

Did you post about the PDR project on Naoneo? No..do you even know what that is? If you don't, then I suggest you look on the site!
Wraggster, please, spare us your news posts that flame our good developers, there is a FREE VERSION!!! SO STOP COMPLAINING


i agree 100% with you. i could download the free version if i wanted but i will pay and support fluff in this one.

learn to appreciáte things..

[The_Ultimate_Eggman]

PLAIN AND SIMPLE CHARGING FOR HOMEBREW I WRONG..Never do it NEVER HAD TO after all isnt that what homebrew is about ???..Wil which ever mug buys it have to pay for any updates to ???

[nexus68]

So i hope that people who want to pay for the PSIX donate for all the others homebrews on their psp...

[DraconumPB]

I produce music (currently for free, independently...)

I've been a member of the music community SectionZ.com...

I've also been selected to become part of SectionZ Records, a new iTunes label based off of some of the top producers on the site...

Now, I've been producing music for about 4 years. In that time I went from very amatuer to near-pro (mind you, I have extremely limited resources). I will not spend my hard-earned money (which is really intended for paying for school, food, gas, insurance, rent etc.) on music equipment if I don't have a prospective for making money with the music as well.

Music, as programming, is a time committment, and the work that these devs (fluff, fanjita, Iris team, etc.) is EXTREMELY time-consuming and difficult. If you no-talent lamers that simply consume other people's work all day think that it's our responsibility to provide you code, music, art, etc~ for free, you're nuts!

If you do contribute your own work for free in some way, and still expect everybody else to follow your example, just be glad that you can be providing to others. Nobody is OBLIGATED to do as you do. The good (if you could call it that) is not necessarily the law.

The other day I just made a comment about the 2.60 EBOOT loader news that I think Fanjita should get paid a salary by all rights. It's grand that he doesn't charge for his work, but he very well could if he wanted to.

EDIT: I just thought of something else. This is the only instance in which I would not support a pay-version of psix:

Does PSIX contain any open-source code? While you can sell derivitive works based off of open-source code, the resulting code MUST also be open-source (so source must be distributed with the paid binaries). That means that someone else can pay for PSIX with the source, then distribute the source themselves for free, as long as that also is released under the original license. In other words, it would be pointless to charge for open-source software, even though it's OK to do so.

If PSIX does contain open-source code, there must be considerations made of that.

[tommyistommy]

I think if someone takes the time to make something thats worth paying for (like this) they should be able to charge for it. However, I think it should be like a donation, where you pick how much to donate, and he sets a minumium

[zurt]

I produce music (currently for free, independently...)

I've been a member of the music community SectionZ.com...

I've also been selected to become part of SectionZ Records, a new iTunes label based off of some of the top producers on the site...

Now, I've been producing music for about 4 years. In that time I went from very amatuer to near-pro (mind you, I have extremely limited resources). I will not spend my hard-earned money (which is really intended for paying for school, food, gas, insurance, rent etc.) on music equipment if I don't have a prospective for making money with the music as well.

Music, as programming, is a time committment, and the work that these devs (fluff, fanjita, Iris team, etc.) is EXTREMELY time-consuming and difficult. If you no-talent lamers that simply consume other people's work all day think that it's our responsibility to provide you code, music, art, etc~ for free, you're nuts!


Universal Declaration of Human Rights
Article 22
Everyone, as a member of society, has the right to social security and is entitled to realization, through national effort and international co-operation and in accordance with the organization and resources of each State, of the economic, social and cultural rights indispensable for his dignity and the free development of his personality.

Article 27
1.- Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.
2.- Everyone has the right to the protection of the moral and material interests resulting from any scientific, literary or artistic production of which he is the author.


I understand music as culture, don't you?? I mean, of course you have all the rights to make money with music, but I don't think it's fair to restrict culture to anybody. You can make money with concerts, recitals, selling records, ... whatever you want, but why not share that music at the time with everybody??

Not everything is copyrighted in this world: http://creativecommons.org/

About homebrew I feel nearly the same, homebrew is a way for everybody to learn, of course there is people that just sees this world as free software (free as in free beer), but a lot of us see the homebrew as a way to learn and share peoples knowledge with each other.

That's the reason why I don't want to pay for psix, I don't think that it's source will be released, so I won't learn anything from it. Just fun, is not my way with homebrew. Official games do that work much better ;)

[lowride]

Homebrew should be free! Its always been free, why should psix change that? If it could. However, I completely understand that charging is an attempt to justify the effort that Fluff intends to put in for future development, because donations dont cover it.

The question for me is whether Psix is worth paying for? But with the current feature set of the full version, I wont be downloading it for free. Make it worth while and I will donate.

[Athlonman74]

Man, what is this with the "You owe me everything for free attitude."??? This attitude just plain stinks and IS THE REASON why people are leaving the PSP homebrew scene. If your not bitching and moaning about the quality of the work (It's FREE Damnit), you're bitching and moaning about someone charging for an ADVANCED version of the software. If half you guys could create a program like FLUFF has done with PSIX you would understand where he's comming from. It's gimmie, gimmie, gimmie and nothing and return. I for one will be paying for PSIX, I'm a programmer and I know what it takes to program and PSIX is just amazing. Even if he doesn't release more features, it's still worth $15 for all the past 7 mo that he has put into it. As for somebody releasing this after paying for it, I'm sure some low-life will, BUT IT WILL NOT BE ME. Keep on trucking FLUFF you have my support 100%.

[urherenow]

Universal Declaration of Human Rights

Article 27
1.- Everyone has the right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community, to enjoy the arts and to share in scientific advancement and its benefits.


umnn... I fail to see your point in trying to slam this in someone's face. Ok... so you have the RIGHT to freely participate etc... and share...

What the heck says you're OBLIGATED?

I've used the reputation thing on this thread more than on any other. a couple people had good form and posted their god given right to an opinion without BASHING others and using unnecesarry bad language, but far too many people on this thread have been out of line so I've given out my first few 'dissaprove's. The most relevant post in this thread IMHO is the one by DraconumPB . Double goes for his little addition that he edited in. Considering the fact that I doubt this FLUFF guy paid for a real PSP DEV kit, he MUST be using free, open source tools to make his software, making PSIX for money ILLEGAL on several levels. --- umnn... to clarify, I know there are free tools around that ALLOW you to use to make stuff for profit... but I don't believe the current libraries for the PSP go by such a license.

If it ends up having functionality that I want, then I will buy it anyway, but I have a feeling that the 'advanced' paid for project is going to get shut down in a bad way before too long.

just my 2 cents... or maybe it was 4 ... :rolleyes:

[lowride]

Well unfortunately, Fluff having worked 7 hard months does not automatically qualify for my payment as it does for you. If psix is being sold then the consumer has the right to critically discuss its features and I'd say also lose the right to use 'I put a lot of effort in' as a selling point.

This thread is concentrating on the payment issue not about the free one with limited features. Nearly all the features are available for free on the homebrew scene in pieces. For the payment version, Fluff's hard work will not pay off until something new to homebrew is added, while still appriciating the effort 100%.

[Timale-Kun]

Is it legal to make someone pay for a Playstation Portable Software wich is not signed/agreed by Sony?? Anyway maybe they've a lack of donation that's why he do that to keeping developing on PSP, But Everybody use to know Homebrew for Free it'll be difficult to make people agree with Homebrew selling...

[zurt]

umnn... I fail to see your point in trying to slam this in someone's face. Ok... so you have the RIGHT to freely participate etc... and share...

What the heck says you're OBLIGATED?


The human rights never obligate, they are rights, man... I don't want to slam nones face.

In the other hand, don't take the "share" part, take the "right to enjoy the arts" part, if it's not free not everybody has the opportunity to enjoy it.

And if we take the "right freely to participate in the cultural life of the community" part, without source code there is no way to participate...

By the way, I didn't say he had the obligation to share, I just suggested him to do so. I don't want the legal part to be a reason, that's repressive... I would be happier if people just shared cause they want to share and they think is good to share their knowledge with others. (yes I live in Teddy bears world, dammit!!! :D)

[vidgrip]

Most arguments as to why Fluff should share his code are just because he should, or because Homebrew is supposed to be free, and some of the posts are coming from people who are certainly using there PSPs for less than legal pursuits running ISOs and the like.

And still more posts as to why he should give away his code are peppered with fowl language and attacks... Probably not the best argument.

The argument that unlicensed software shouldn't be payed for is also a weak argument. Activision certainly didn't have Atari's permission to create games for the 2600, and these were some of the best games on the system.

Unlicensed games have appeared on just about every platform, and while the majority of them haven't been great (The Adult Titles, and Bible Titles on NES)
It was the consumers option whether or not to purchase them.

If PSIX gets released and is sub-par believe me the Newsgroups will be littered with bad reviews and you can choose not to purchase it, but if it's a real alternative to SONY's (Firmware 2.whatever) then I think it's worth rewarding these coders for a job well done.

Maybe I'm in the minority, but I have donated to coders who made great strides on the PC and Dreamcast, and I don't mind paying for a good product.

[Illegal Machine]

**** these mother****ers


seriously, I don't give a shit over how much work you say you do. I don't as far as I'm concerned this is greed based, they see the download numbers on programs like umdemulator, and fastloader, and all the others, and they add them up from all of the sites, and figure "hey if these were dollars, Id be happy as a clam!" well, fluff, those numbers arent dollars, and if theres any justice in the world it never will be enough to make your sorry asses happy.


keeping a paypal account open is one thing, but demanding cash for vaporware is total bull. no matter how you cut it, the facts remain.


THERE WASNT EVEN A BETA RELEASE! NO ONE EVEN KNOWS IF ITS COOL OR NOT, HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING FOR MONEY FOR SOMETHING YOU NEVER EVEN RECIEVED FEEDBACK ON? really now "team psiX" are you that freakin cool that you just know your programs are just soooo awesome and filled with awesomeness?



Guess what team psiX, Humma Kavulla and friends never demanded to be paid, neither did anyone who developed ANY emulator (something which in the end is more impressive than what youre doing) neither did team emergency exit, or any RESPECTABLE team for that matter. they might leave the door open for a donation, but thats not the same.


everyone else in the dev scene is better than team psiX, both as programmers, and as people..


I have NO respect for people like psiX.

NONE

[PSPloverz]

Excuse me, but I wish to clear up some common misconceptions that you guys seem to have:

Fluff is donating 35% (His share of the money) to the Scene, he is not keeping one bit for himself. The rest is going to the coder who has been working constantly on this program and meeting the expectations of you guys. He has the full right to ask for a few bucks in return, devs ask for donations all of the time, you don't complain about that.

Fluff and Qubitz will provide a free version of the program which will feature more features than PSP-OSS at the momment.

There was a beta release to all of those who were choosen to test the program, and by there reports, it is one hell of a program

[logicbomb.de]

**** these mother****ers


seriously, I don't give a shit over how much work you say you do. I don't as far as I'm concerned this is greed based, they see the download numbers on programs like umdemulator, and fastloader, and all the others, and they add them up from all of the sites, and figure "hey if these were dollars, Id be happy as a clam!" well, fluff, those numbers arent dollars, and if theres any justice in the world it never will be enough to make your sorry asses happy.


keeping a paypal account open is one thing, but demanding cash for vaporware is total bull. no matter how you cut it, the facts remain.


THERE WASNT EVEN A BETA RELEASE! NO ONE EVEN KNOWS IF ITS COOL OR NOT, HOW CAN YOU EVEN THINK ABOUT ASKING FOR MONEY FOR SOMETHING YOU NEVER EVEN RECIEVED FEEDBACK ON? really now "team psiX" are you that freakin cool that you just know your programs are just soooo awesome and filled with awesomeness?



Guess what team psiX, Humma Kavulla and friends never asked for money, neither did anyone who developed ANY emulator (something which in the end is more impressive than what youre doing) neither did team emergency exit, or any RESPECTABLE team for that matter.


everyone else in the dev scene is better than team psiX, both as programmers, and as people..


I have NO respect for people like psiX.

NONE


LOLMFAO!!!

You're good for a few laughs, I'll give you that!!

too bad you have no concept whatsoever about what it takes to create something yourself either for you or for anyone else.

what else have you done beside beside troll these and other PSP forums on your God give crusade against PSIX??? absolutely jack shit.

Oh yeah, Humma Kavula should be praised be cause he allowed us to play pirate ISO, but no, he never asked for any money, LOLOLOLOL

you are so very ignorant, arrogant, and will probably never accomplish anything at all in your sad little life other than to put "teh n00bz in there place".

go code me some "hello world" on ANY platform, even BASIC 2.0; then you can come back and talk.

Respect???? RESPECT??? you have no effin clue what that means.

[flingo]

I agree with illega machine. the first thing on underground scene is everything must be free and you got your money by donation and advertising. PSP scene is underground cause that's a hack machine with or without eboot loader. if you are ready to paid this psix stuff to use an emulator, you should be ready to paid for those roms too. Do you know what you risk if you put a rom or actually an iso on the net ? tell me, do you paid to use any torrent or peer to peer software ? those peoples behind this risk much much better than a psix oss. you know what ! it's still free even some are in jail or got an money charge because this is the rule on underground scene. i'm not sure you know what you're talking about and think why dcemu post this question !!!

[bobnickelson]

what are these rules of the undergroud that all of a sudden came up?
also flingo your arguement just sounds like what happens when you share or sell copyrighted material, such as roms or isos, and files over torrents and p2p software... if you copy or sell copyrighted material you'll get fined or get jail time. psix on the otherhand is a different story its not part of your idea of the "underground", which sounds more like warez, its a homebrew app, that is original and not a port or clone or copy, and developer decided to make some profit off of. He is giving 65% of his profits back to the communitty, in the form of books, software, and hardware.

[flingo]

not only roms or isos are copyrighted, take ms driller clone homebrew, just the name driller is an enregistred name from nintendo as mario, tetris, and that's enough to get a lawsuit from nintendo. now that replacement shell from psix, you think the original shell from sony is not copyrighted. you think you can do what you want with a licensed product. Learn the laws before to say they can do that and we should paid for it. torrent or p2p software are not illegal and that's free. welcome to the underground scene :)

ps:use any homebrews or any unlicensed void your psp warranty :cool:

[Illegal Machine]

LOLMFAO!!!

You're good for a few laughs, I'll give you that!!

too bad you have no concept whatsoever about what it takes to create something yourself either for you or for anyone else.

what else have you done beside beside troll these and other PSP forums on your God give crusade against PSIX??? absolutely jack shit.

Oh yeah, Humma Kavula should be praised be cause he allowed us to play pirate ISO, but no, he never asked for any money, LOLOLOLOL

you are so very ignorant, arrogant, and will probably never accomplish anything at all in your sad little life other than to put "teh n00bz in there place".

go code me some "hello world" on ANY platform, even BASIC 2.0; then you can come back and talk.

Respect???? RESPECT??? you have no effin clue what that means.




hahaha.


you care about what I say. I own you.



if I respected YOU, I might give a damn about your opinions, but I don't.... clearly my opinions affected you enough to inspire your flacid response.

[idapimp]

flingo your an idiot

[urherenow]

now that replacement shell from psix, you think the original shell from sony is not copyrighted. you think you can do what you want with a licensed product. Learn the laws before to say they can do that and we should paid for it. torrent or p2p software are not illegal and that's free. welcome to the underground scene :)


May I have some of what you're smoking? Or are you just like 6 years old? PSIX has nothing to do with the Sony shell (as if FLUFF could have possibly gotten his hands on Sony's code or something) and it doesn't break that copyright. what the big problem is, is the fact that tools and libraries that he DID use to make PSIX are not licensed by their authors for developing stuff for commercial use. Now if he got permission because of his promise to give stuff back from the profits... then more power to him and if you don't like it don't buy it. Use the free version or not at all...

p2p software and torrents not illegal? :rolleyes: OMG.. lets make that 3 years old. give me your mailing address so I can call your local authorities. Then you can come back here and tell us how 'legal' it is (supposing you have any money left to your name to pay for an internet connection or are able to get out of prison in the next few years)

[flingo]

ya i'm idiot like those guys from bleem. Torrents or p2p software are legal not torrent files or p2p files sharing, see the difference ???. Anything part from a licensed product is enregistred or licensed, replace or change anything commercial without permission is illegal. i prefer to give a donation to fanjitas, he's working very hard with his friend . stupid kids !

[idapimp]

so... your saying that if i want to make MY OWN homebrew on MY psp that i already PURCHASED from sony, simply because i want to improve the functionality of it, it's illegal? just because sony put their software on MY PURCHASED PSP means i cant do ANYTHING to it. thats like saying its illegal for me to smash a psp with a hammer cuz im "changing" sony's product. there should be no problem with me smashing a psp with a hammer if i obey my state's anti-littering ordinance. flingo you're still an idiot. and use proper grammer in your next post to sound a tid bit smarter. thanx.

[flingo]

if you do a commercial homebrew, you can risk something and ask this question to SONY, they gonna tell you quickly, ****ing nerd! COMMERCIAL do you understand that word ? commercial=business and talk about this psix COMMERCIAL shell with SONY, and the lawyers are not far ! sorry my english is not perfect because i'm french but do you speak french ? je ne pense pas parce que tu es trop con pour comprendre ce que j'explique :) translate that without google translation !

[Illegal Machine]

so... your saying that if i want to make MY OWN homebrew on MY psp that i already PURCHASED from sony, simply because i want to improve the functionality of it, it's illegal? just because sony put their software on MY PURCHASED PSP means i cant do ANYTHING to it. thats like saying its illegal for me to smash a psp with a hammer cuz im "changing" sony's product. there should be no problem with me smashing a psp with a hammer if i obey my state's anti-littering ordinance. flingo you're still an idiot. and use proper grammer in your next post to sound a tid bit smarter. thanx.


actually dumbass, he's right.

it IS illegal to alter the copyrighted files that arent authorized for public use.

for example, you buy an IPOD, or a PSP, yet you dont OWN it. you're really purchasing a liscence for use as far as I understand it.

I agree, its stupid, yet these companies seem to have some sort of idea that this is thier right to impose.


whatever

[urherenow]

funny how some people can call names like 'dumbass' and then not know how to spell license all in the same 4 sentence post...

errr.... PSIX is altering WHAT copyrighted files? It's a piece of software that you'll force the PSP to run, not a damn firmware that is going to replace the PSP's firmware. Nothing in the PSP is going to be altered. Why don't you learn what the hell you're talking about before calling people names?

Sony said if you run unauthorized code on their PSP then your warranty is voided. That's all they can do. The hardware is YOURS. Their intilectual property lies with perhaps the GPU and the system software alone. Reverse engineering THAT and altering THAT is messing with copyrights. The damn Nand chip is a generic part from samsung that anyone can buy (If you'd like to order 1,000 of them), and the LCDs are made by 2 other companies as well.
When you go buy an Alienware computer that doesn't come with Winrar installed, the company can't sue you for installing it. Or for removing their own software they put in to monitor system stats and such.(not that they would, just an example) Better yet... not even the Mighty Micro$oft can sue you for Disabling the crappy zipfldr.dll (thus altering the designed installation AND operation of Windows XP) .

As I've said already in this thread PSIX and what FLUFF is doing with it might very well be illegal, but it has NOTHING to do with "alter the copyrighted files that arent authorized for public use"

[Madonion]

Hehe funny read. There is a free version of psix oss so what is the huge fuss about. Personally i like psp oss more.

[bobnickelson]

the whole thing about "it's illegal to alter copyrighted files" isn't true, it's illegal to distribute altered copyrighted files, which is a different...

[idapimp]

errr.... PSIX is altering WHAT copyrighted files? It's a piece of software that you'll force the PSP to run, not a damn firmware that is going to replace the PSP's firmware. Nothing in the PSP is going to be altered. Why don't you learn what the hell you're talking about before calling people names?

THANK YOU JESUS CHRIST!! thats all i was trying to say.

[flingo]

Sonyxteam did says something about fluff and You should read this about him:
http://www.sonyxteam.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=23

PS:His site has moved, where ? hehe, find it !

[frmariam]

Ok so I've been checking his site like non stop and still no downloads... Only the clock has run out...

It may seem really unpacient but have we been had (I remember Fanjita released 0.9 Loader at time on Xmas)? Again? Man I wanted to see this so bad...

[syrusch]

Pfff no downloads aviable. Is this real OS or a fake ?!?!?! I'm confusing with all this promess and the day as come and nothin's apear... :confused:

[frmariam]

Aparently (and thank God) there IS going to be a release sometime TODAY (dont't know if in GMT). Fluff stated that himself at PSPU forum... That was a nasty countdown from hell (still don't know why should the countdown for the Feb 1st day end at noon :confused: ).

Man I was glad to read that...

[lowride]

What time is it suppose to happen then?

[Jubalint]

Happened, got myself a copy. Now I might now agree with this whole paying thing... but presentation wise this thing is a frigin' beautiful. When you open it at first everything kinda swooooshes into place, VERY polished graphically.

The mp3 player is also very polished, you tap the left side button and it brings it up. Showed all my mp3s and clicking them (mouse moves the same as psp-oss) started them instantly, it also has options for shuffling, playlists, and a few other things.

It also has like a movie player thing, but I'm not sure if it just loads the movies or if it has it's own thing, plus I don't have any mp4 encoded movies (using PMP of course) so dunno about that. The image viewer thing doesn't seem to work for me either, though the flash demo on the site has it (not that that really means anything). Besides that it shows all my progs and runs them fine, ALTHOUGH it's obviously using the same eboot loader as FA++ and PSP-OSS. Honestly I don't know if he's talked to the guy who wrote it and if they're ok with that all... (I'm pretty damn sure because it shows the same message as those progs when you try to exit out of a eboot agian).

Also it has a screen that shows your UMD which works well along with two other screens that say MOD and NET. I'd assume the MOD is that developer resource thing (the modules or whatever) and NET... is he gonna add a browser? Now if he could get a working and nice browser on 1.5 ... well I just might be willing to pony up some cash for that. Also there seems to be a window for a file viewer, but that doesn't do anything as far as I can tell.

Ok as far as negatives, it works well but some things are less that intitive. Like there's no option that I can find to actually exit out of the program and back to the regular PSP menu. Nothing happens when you hit home, and if you push start it just restarts psix. Select and the rest of the of the buttons on the bottom don't do anything either. In fact the only buttons that do anything is the analog nub, shoulder buttons, X, and start. Overall I found it a little confusing to use, but damn... if it isn't pretty!

My recommendation is that it's probably the best looking homebrew I've ever seen. However despite the really awesome mp3 player it's hampered by no built in (functional at least for me) file browser or image viewer. Runs eboots and UMD's fine though. PSP-OSS has more functionality overall, but not by alot. And if he actually gets the image viewer and file browser working... well then it'll really be giving PSP-OSS a serious run for it's money (pun intended).

Rating:
Presentation: 10/10
Functionality: 7/10
Ease of Use: 6/10
Overall: 8/10

[Cronos1388]

Sonyxteam did says something about fluff and You should read this about him:
http://www.sonyxteam.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=23

PS:His site has moved, where ? hehe, find it !

Yeah I trust SonyXTeam a lot w/e they say has to be true. Yoshiro is the greatest coder in the world.


btw, about the User Agreement that comes with the PSP. I purchased my PSP used. I did not receive an instruction manual or EULA. So technically I am not under any legal liscense.

[LordMetzen]

Yeah I trust SonyXTeam a lot w/e they say has to be true. Yoshiro is the greatest coder in the world.


btw, about the User Agreement that comes with the PSP. I purchased my PSP used. I did not receive an instruction manual or EULA. So technically I am not under any legal liscense.

Actually not all that they say has to be true....

Yoshihiro CANNOT be the greatest coder in the world if someone else was the creator of the REAL downgrader right?...He is good, but there are way better coders that doesn't even care about the psp.

Lol....so Cronos1388...if you kill a man with a gun in a store....you will not be responsible because you didn't recieve a penal code when you were born. No man, it doesn't work that way.

[F3lix85]

Is anyone that paid for the pro membership having any problems logging in, or is it just me? plz answer truthfully.

[F3lix85]

NVM he fixed it.

[frmariam]

Well hope Fluff still sees this...

I hope he is intending to launch homebrew in 2.0 using Fanjita's Eboot Loader to do so.

It's actually really simple to launch PSIX right from the Photo folder (without going to the loader menu) in the PSP. You just have to open the loader09.cfg, find "menu=ms0:/psp/game/loadmenu09.pbp" and replace it with "menu=ms0:/psp/game/psix/eboot.pbp" (but I guess you already knew that).
Also need to add this to the per-eboot section (PSIX searches for something - backgrounds I think - inside PSIX folder):

[PSIX_3CBF39F6]
#************************************************* ************************#
#* PSIX Lite *#
#************************************************* ************************#
ebootname=PSIX Lite
ignorefixedpath=Y

Just maybe some Hex editing of some stuff in eboot loader (maybe to rename the folder displaying in Photo to PSIX), a PSIX icon to be displayed in Photo in the PSP XMB and it would be a 2.0 wonder!

Give a look at the loader menu source if you haven't done so yet. It may help you to figure how to alow PSIX to launch homebrew through EBOOT Loader (much like the Loader menu does). The link for that in Fanjita's Forum is here (http://forums.qj.net/showthread.php?t=24020).

I really hope 2.0 launching capabilities in PSIX (I guess all 2.0 users want this really bad) :)