Homebrew Isnt About Warez

[wraggster]

To all those who are new and old to homebrew heres just a notice to you all, the homebrew scene is about the reverse engineering of consoles so that we get a legal scene, we never support pirating of systems that are being emulated ie PSP isos on the PSP.

Although Sony do their very best to kill homebrew on the PSP they will really never succeed, at some stage there will open a new exploit that opens homebrew for newer firmware.

Remember real homebrew sites such as DCEmu, Emuholic, GP32X etc will never post about iso loaders etc,

ISO Loaders only make Sony more determined to kill off the homebrew scene and mark us all the same.

Lets Keep Warez away From Our Homebrew Scene

[Accordion]

so sorry about my post, though great achievment it does encourage the B*****d homebrew killers

dont bAN me for my naivity

[stotheamuel]

amen

[mavsman4457]

this needs to be posted on the news section every so often just so n00bs know what the deal is.

[Emeriastone]

word

[MalumEnSe]

Agreed.

However, this new release of Devhook presents a very clear dilemma. Yes, it loads ISO's, but it also supplies a very legitimate use to 1.50 PSP users who are supporters of homebrew.

With Sony's current approach, supporting homebrew does just as much damage as piracy does - both keep people from buying new UMD games because we can't play them on 1.5/2.0 PSPs. That's why Devhook is a "breakthrough" and some of the biggest PSP news in a long while.

And if you'll notice, the news that was posted on "other sites" (which I'm certain inspired this post) didn't even mention the word ISO once. In fact, it was presented in such a non-piracy related way that many users didn't even know it could load ISOs. Its possible to dance with the devil and not get burned, and I think the "other site" did a decent and responsible job of it.

Devhook allows you to play UMD's that require higher firmware, fully enables the 2.0 browser, AAC audio support, and even the LocationFree functions. If it did none of these things and was just "an ISO loader" you can guarantee it would not've been posted on the "other site".

A very slippery slope, and not an easy decision - but I can honestly say that this new version of Devhook does more good for the legitimate PSP scene than harm. Now we can play great homebrew games like Callisto, and buy the latest UMD games as well. Its win-win for the PSP.

Those who would use it for piracy do so on their own behalf, and would do so with or without this program.

[Sousanator]

^^ i agree

with the devhook release 1.5ers can finally use the browser, and load umds like gta(with cheatdevice) and some of the other newer ones,,

also if booster gets 2.7 emulated 1.5ers can watch flash and play flash,, and it would bring some more devers for flash on psp,,

piracy with devhook is a choice,, you can do it, or not,, it offers more then just the sole purpose of iso loading, which makes it great

[Garak]

I aggree with MalumEnSe,

For the most part. Only place where I differ is that I don't think there is any delima. It is totally worth re-iterating what this software provides:

1. Allows a 1.5 PSP to play 1.5 - 2.5 FW UMD games
2. Provides new codecs for audio/video
3. Web Browser
4. Location free player
5. Ability to run firmware from memory stick

I'm sure that doesn't even scratch the surface. I could care less that the thing can load ISOs, the other things this software has acomplished make it a news story as big as the kxplot/tiff explot/GTA explot. I think this should be stickied at the front page. If you start getting requests for ISOs as a reeult of this article, just ban the users who do so. But this is Summer blockbuster news for all 1.5 Hombrew loving PSP users!

Garak

[sroon]

Those *******s and there subliminal meseges!


SMOKE!

[vettacossx]

i think that if you like a psp game and you want a sequal then you SHOULD show your support and BUY IT ....dont ruin a good thing ...and worse yet....dont ruin DCemus good rep ;)

dont pirate .....code!!!!

[SSaxdude]

I like homebrew, but I have to admit iso loaders are better in some ways.

[StealthCP]

It's the people who don't buy games that bug me. I really don't mind if they download Lemmings or Worms to try and if they like it, buy it. That's good sportsmanship. However with the new modchip and ability to run homebrew on 2.71 there is no excuse for "trying" out games as there will now be DEMOS!! :D:D

I'm still wondering who the people are fooling, lokoing for these because "they don't want to carry round the UMD everywhere..." lol wtf :D

Anyway I have found one use for ISO loaders = modding games. I recently created a simple wallhack for my retail owned Star Wars Battlefront II, and tryed it out on WiFi with a friend. I showed him the hack at work and we never used it much after - it's novelty worn off and it's use was minimal.

There are plenty of legal uses for Virtual UMD drives and hooks etc, but the illegalities outweigh the good points, I'm afraid - I'm just wondering when the rush of people at the PSP club ask me to modchip their PSPs they will only have one thing on their mind. Just like any other console with modchips - their main use is for illegal copies of games. I know who those suspects are and I'm not doing it for them. If the game is not worth buying then it certainly mustn't be worth playing.

I'm currently working with the club to make everyone aware of the full benefit of homebrew to them is, and that there is homebrew that will suit anyone present. Namely the PMP movie format for their movie collection would suit almost everyone, and PSPRadio was a huge hit with the music lovers. So far I've managed to reduce the ranting about copying games down to one tiny first year.. and if he doesn't stop he's being kicked. ;)

[luis_05]

I could not agree more. That's why this is the only psp site I have joined. It is run by smart ppl and and it memebers are cool too. I guess we can say we are a family!! lol

[Video_freak]

if people bought the games before they pirated them i wouldn't give a crap, but since they don't its going to kill the psp if people continue.

[geise69]

Really there's more 2.0 and up firmware psp's out there than any other firmware. Also the usage of iso loading on 1.5 firmware psps is so small it's really not going to make that big a deal. Just to let everyone know I'm totally against piracy. I upgraded my psp to 2.7 and I'm happy with it. This release does support isos but it also lets people that bought 2.5 firmware umd's play games they bought on their 1.5's. The only down side is quite a few that still have a 1.5 firmware are going to use it for "other" purposes. I know it's wrong but it's always going to be there. It's almost already there with the 360. I was hoping though that the news I found somewhere else wouldn't make it here, but I'm glad wraggster posted something nipped the topic in the bud. This community is the "only" psp community that I like and have respect for. It's just sad when something like this program comes along that can do so much but also make the scene look bad. I don't think this will kill off the psp with piracy but it makes all the 1.5 and homebrew users just look like warez kiddies. Maybe quite a few are but I know this community isn't.

[Voltron]

Really there's more 2.0 and up firmware psp's out there than any other firmware. Also the usage of iso loading on 1.5 firmware psps is so small it's really not going to make that big a deal.

Exactly.

A lot of good points brought up on this thread.

1. Piracy or ISO usage regarding the PSP is not at a level where it is going to kill off the PSP.

2. I think things like the MOD CHIP coming out & custom firmwares will actually be more of a piracy promoter than the actual loaders themselves. Think about it, it has the potential to allow loaders to work on ALL PSP's.

I back most of my games up to ISO and compress them with DAX and CiSO because it is far more convenient to be able to have 5 - 10 PSP games all on memory stick. Saving battery, saving UMD optical drive lifespan, and games run so much faster.

The new DevHook by Booster is awesome. It fully emulates firmware 2.50 including browswer, advanced audio/video codecs, location free player, etc. etc.

Also I am now able to play FIELD COMMANDER and other games 100% functional on my 1.50 PSP. Saving works, Sleep mode works, & ALL WiFi modes work.

AWESOME development for PSP homebrew. Especially for 1.50 users.

[Sauron96]

Piracy will not lead to the downfall of the PSP; the GBA and the DS are very easily pirated so to speak and they are extremely profitable. Crappy games are leading to a boring PSP universe...

I use ISO loaders; but I keep realitively QUIET about it (besides this post), just do it and shut up. Personally I hate when people request or more like DEMAND that someone get 'X' game working so they can play it, basically if you aren't contributing anything you have no rights to complain, bitch or comment in general. Take what you can, appreciate and keep your mouth shut...

[Pico]

the topic title is off a bit i think look at psp milionair, atempts at a gba emu or any other copyrighted things people rip off, thats what sony want to crack down on as much as iso's. there's not much difference between the two but that dont seem to matter to the "hombrew scene" as its not directly affecting the psp. slamming the other site over what they reported dont realy change much as there is an undeniable intrest in the program's capabilitys (which is proberly the biggest break-through for some time). hopefully the source will be made available and a compromise version will come about.

from voltron
2. I think things like the MOD CHIP coming out & custom firmwares will actually be more of a piracy promoter than the actual loaders themselves. Think about it, it has the potential to allow loaders to work on ALL PSP's.

think how much that got reported here with a link to a site that will sell them.



sorry for the spelling, im half asleep and it's about 35 past 5.

[jhontikis]

As the wisest said, the main problem for companies, SONY in our case, is to have what works on "their" machines under control.
Having a 1.50 machine and only play emulators and homebrew and dont buy UMDs, ruins their plans and it doesnt matter if you use ISOs.

[Accordion]

there are two reasons the psp will continue to fail in sales
1 B*****ds using ISOs
2 people not being able to buy UMDs (like me) because they love real homebrew and wish to keep 1.5 for its ease of use.

thanks to the latest devhook, i can now use over £100 of software i bought before i downgraded

and there are now at least five games i want but wont buy because i will have to update. i could afford a new psp, but then i would have no money for the games.

[akuma2000]

I don't support piracy but I do use isos. I have three games that I bought and I copied them and use the isos on my chip. I do this for a number of reasons like load times, battery life, and also so I don't have to carry around all the discs. The latest devhook app is nice for me as I have been wanting to try the web browser and the other stuff the newer firmware has. It has also allowed me the oppertunity to buy some new games that I have been wanting to get but did not want to loose my homebrew. So really at least in my case the devhook program/iso loader is going to make sony some money by allowing me to get new games and keep my homebrew. This is probably the case with others too.

[Accordion]

sure, legal ISO use
i believe you

even if you copy your own UMD to memory stick it is breaching the copyright laws of intended use
by buying a UMD, you do not own the UMD, you own the right to use it as intended by the producer. copying the game to memory stick is not the intended use.
all ISO use is illegal and is killing both homebrew and the psp

[nexus68]

sure, legal ISO use
i believe you

even if you copy your own UMD to memory stick it is breaching the copyright laws of intended use
by buying a UMD, you do not own the UMD, you own the right to use it as intended by the producer. copying the game to memory stick is not the intended use.
all ISO use is illegal and is killing both homebrew and the psp
breaching the copyright laws..
I suppose you don't use emulators or Homebrews on psp :rolleyes:
Support the MOD CHIP and condemn DevHook, it is amusing.

[Forever~Zero]

Well being a Malaysian where priracy is everywhere. And i mean everywhere,you cant even find a single non-modded PS2 out on the market. Anyway like iwas saying being a Malaysian i have mixed feelings about the ISO loading dilemma. I agree that the developers should be paid money for their efforts in making the game. But every game translate to at least RM150 (Malaysian Currency) and that is alot from Malaysian standards. The ISOs will probably be a nice way to overcome the pricing of the UMD games but then again it's piracy. So i dont have a real definite anwser to whether i agree or dont agree with the ISO loader.

[Accordion]

i have two roms on my psp
one is Super Mario World for te Snes emu
the other is mario64
i own 3 editions of super mario world (1 snes and 2 GBA, i won the second)

both systems are dead
though i do agree it is still wrong

it is quite clear that iso use is a major part of the psp and UMD failing. however it baffles me that sony protect themselves so well with stopping warez in the hardware but completely fail to firstly stop unsigned code and second, assume the psp is safe from software control

[akuma2000]

sure, legal ISO use
i believe you

even if you copy your own UMD to memory stick it is breaching the copyright laws of intended use
by buying a UMD, you do not own the UMD, you own the right to use it as intended by the producer. copying the game to memory stick is not the intended use.
all ISO use is illegal and is killing both homebrew and the psp

So by your logic if someone buys a music cd and rips it to put on their ipod then that is wrong too. As long as you have the original media then you can make one copy of your software for backup purposes. I know I may be walking the thin gray line between right and wrong but I don't feel bad. Because I have not taken any money from sony as I only have isos of games I own so no one looses.

[malachi]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_shifting

[aries2k4]

Jeez, I´m sick of talking about piracy already. what is this peoples court? so for all the people who are against piracy but have 1.5s because they love homebrew. Now you can buy the game(helping Sony and the industry) and actually play it. I don´t think thats asking too much, since you actually paid for it. do you? So how is this a bad thing
Maybe there shouldn´t be any more posts on pmp mods or any software that can convert video to the psp. It can be used to convert kiddie porn to be watched on the psp. So is the program wrong or is it the Twisted Sicko who uses it?
I love this site, love homebrew, but I just have to wonder. After all you did post about the custom bios firmware(not sure about the chip). So in my opinion
This is a great development. Support homebrew on your 1.5. Support the industry by buying the games you like and use this great loader to play them
DeviceHook is Sweet
nuff said

[Dmill]

what i dont get is that iso use is wrong and everything but sony would still have to be worried about lawsuits against them from Nintendo, Sega, and a bunch of other companies for allowing the use of their games on that device when not authorized... either way you look at it sony is never gunna make the psp hombrew friendly

[chrisrulz555]

Gonna have a little cry wrag? Just because you won't post about Devhook here doesn't mean you are the holy warrior against piracy.

[Shadowblind]

sassing the webmaster? really smart.


It comes to may attention that some people are blaming the emulator makers for the ISO piracy. Its not their immediate fault people are pirating ISOs, and no blame should come to them as a result of it.