Vote for the next DS homebrew/port!

[DimensionT]

Bitblt over at SCDev.org (http://scdev.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4881) recently had the idea of starting a poll on what open-source games we would like to see ported to the Nintendo DS. I thought this was a great idea that deserved to be spread through the community (as it can give coders new ideas and insight on what the players want, and the players great new games to play :D).

So, what do you guys think would be the next best open-source port for the DS? Post your ideas and links here!

Remember, the touch screen can add some neat features to some games!

Here's a list of what was been suggested so far (thanks to everyone at SCDev that already contributed to the list!):

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ACTION:
Abuse: http://www.labyrinth.net.au/~trandor/abuse/
Beats of Rage: http://www.senileteam.com/
Blob Wars: http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/blobWars.php

FPS:
Rise of the Triad: http://www.3drealms.com/rott/
Shadow Warrior: http://www.3drealms.com/sw/
Descent 1 and 2: http://www.descent2.com/
Doom 2: http://www.idsoftware.com/games/doom/doom2/
Hexen 2: http://uhexen2.sourceforge.net/
Duke Nukem 3D: http://www.3drealms.com/duke3d/index.html
Marathon: http://trilogyrelease.bungie.org/

MMORPG:
Stendhal: http://arianne.sourceforge.net/?arianne_url=games/game_stendhal

PUZZLE:
Enigma: http://www.nongnu.org/enigma/
Pingus: http://pingus.seul.org/
Stepmania: http://www.stepmania.com/
Lemmings: http://www.lemmingsuniverse.net/index.html

RPG:
Dink Smallwood: http://www.rtsoft.com/dink/

RTS:
Star Control 2: http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
Bolo: http://www.lgm.com/bolo/
Battle for Wesnoth: http://www.wesnoth.org/
Dark Oberon: http://dark-oberon.sourceforge.net/?page=news
Globulation 2: http://globulation2.org/wiki/Main_Page
Transport Tycoon: http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php

SHOOTERS:
ABA Games (multiple titles): http://www.asahi-net.or.jp/~cs8k-cyu/
Kobo: http://olofson.net/kobodl/
Chromium B.S.U: http://www.reptilelabour.com/software/chromium/

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[mrNinya]

I think any mmorpg for DS would be a succes.

So my votes are:

1. Stendhal
2. Abuse
3. Shadow Warrior

[battleroyalex]

cannon fodder, abuse is cool but wouldnt really make much use of the touchpad

[h0t1ce]

Battle for Wesnoth is my top pick

[LordZero]

I love Kenta Cho shooters,and a ds version of Gunroar would be awesome. and i have played Abuse and Shadow Warrior too, some time ago,and i loved the games.

(sorry for my english)

[DimensionT]

cannon fodder, abuse is cool but wouldnt really make much use of the touchpad
I'm pretty sure abuse uses the mouse for aiming. You could touch the screen in the direction you want to shoot and use L/R to fire.

Are you sure Cannon Fodder is open source? I couldn't find any info on the source code.

[0bvious]

Lemmings

Without a doubt THE most necessary port

[Junixx]

out of those choices, id say decent, but the one game i would love to see a port of is Transport Tycoon

[DimensionT]

If you want to vote for something not on the list, post a link to where you can get the source and I'll add it.

Also, please try to make it obvious what you're voting for. I have to keep track of results myself :(

[Shadowblind]

oh FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD, DECENT 1 AND 2!!!!!!!!1

[Junixx]

oh FOR CRYIN OUT LOUD, DECENT 1 AND 2!!!!!!!!1

you mean descent? never heard of a game called decent.....:p

anyway heres the sources for Transport Tycoon

http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php

I think those will work....

[Shadowblind]

http://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/screenshots/6/197096/descent2_screen004.jpghttp://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/screenshots/6/197096/descent2_screen003.jpghttp://i.i.com.com/cnet.g2/images/screenshots/6/197096/descent2_screen001.jpghttp://img.gamespot.com/gamespot/images/boxshots/6/197096_pc.jpg

Decent, they may not look much because these screenshots reallllly suck, but that game is FRICKEN AWESOME

[The Hombrew Hunter]

Shadow, that's...DESCENT. Not Decent. DESCENT.

-_-"

[Dave the Rave]

I'd like to see MAME. I know someone is working on something called MarcaDS but not much progress is being made lately.

[cloud_952]

Marathon is not open-source.

As noted on Bungie's website (at the link provided):


Marathon is copyright 1994-present Bungie Studios, all rights reserved. Files are freely downloadable, but are not open-source.

[HaloJ]

Decent gets my vote. I'd looked at it myself but decided it was too complex for my coding skills.

[backhair]

i'm all for an Abuse port. as DimensionT said, the touchscreen would be great for aiming.

[chriswyatt]

Moon Cresta! a.k.a Eagle

I went to Welsh Bicknor once, and they had a tabletop version of this game, I spent a lot of my pennies on this.

[superfrenzy]

Half Life 1.

[lolmasta]

No Half-Life? :(

[DimensionT]

Marathon is not open-source.

As noted on Bungie's website (at the link provided):

I think they mean the source for the PC version. I know the MAC source is out.

http://source.bungie.org/


Moon Cresta! a.k.a Eagle

I went to Welsh Bicknor once, and they had a tabletop version of this game, I spent a lot of my pennies on this.

That's an arcade game isn't it? You'll have to wait for a port of MAME for that. :p


No Half-Life? :(

Half-Life isn't on the list becase I didn't think it'd be possible. Everything is 3D in Half-life. Games like Doom and Hexen have 2D sprites, which use less memory. Alot of people would vote for Half-Life too, taking votes away from other games in favor of something that might not be possible.

I could be wrong though. Anyone care to shed some light on the issue?

[caydr]

This thread originated in the SCDev forum, so I'll summarize what I posted there.

The D2X-XL project has everything needed to put together a working port of Descent 2 - which also runs Descent 1 content.

Descent 1/2 is the perfect game for the DS.

Meh, you forced me into it. I'll just explain some of my ideas. Same as I posted on SCDev:

Descent 1 and 2 natively support co-op missions, as well as co-op campaign mode :)

The D2X-XL project adds a tracker system to the multiplayer aspect which could be used to set up a Nintendo Wifi-ish system, or at least its current functionality which is more than adequate.

Everything's already in place. Fully open code, written to a fully open standard, with system requirements within range of the DS's capabilities.

Here's the control scheme I was thinking of. Since Descent uses a much, much more complex movement system than games like Hunters, the main problem will be figuring out how to map all the necessary controls in a logical way.

The main problem is sliding, aka strafing.

I was thinking something like this:

d-pad - aiming

L - hold down to switch D-Pad into strafe mode (similar to holding down alt in the original)

X - forward

B - back

Y - fire secondary

A - drop bomb

R - fire primary

Start - game menu (exit, main menu, etc)

Select - automap

Try these out on your own DS, you'll see it works out very well.

On the touchscreen would be your HUD (shield/energy guage, bomb count and type, primary/secondary weapons, cloak/stealth status, anything I'm forgetting). Similar to mario 64, there would also be two sets of arrows, which could easily be controlled by thumbs even while in combat, so they'd have to have a pretty big touching region. Touching one arrow would cycle through either primary or secondary one way, touching the other arrow would cycle through either primary or secondary the other way.

Why not use touchscreen for aiming? The answer is simple, and it is that it would deny you access to too many buttons, which means too many essential functions. Hunters works reasonably well here since there's just shoot, aim, and move necessary. Descent 2 is massively more complex. There's move, strafe, fire three different categories of weapons *simultaneously*, a map, a completely different style of movement... etc.

Finally, unlike Hunters, this was only a second-generation FPS. Hitboxes were not very complex and this wasn't a bad thing. Precision weapon firing wasn't a big issue, you just had to hit the general area, similar to Doom. Again, this is NOT a bad thing. The whole game was designed with this in mind. And, the speed at which you could turn in Descent is much like in the Gamecube "Prime" series - you could turn slowly or quickly, but it was limited to a certain speed. Most of the time you wanted to turn at the maximum speed, and when you didn't, you usually strafed instead.

This could really work. We just need a developer. Look how quickly Picodrive has come along! It's because its developer was very dedicated and the code he started on, like D2 code, was fully open. I would love to take on this project myself, but I have no experience with this sort of work.

Here's a reasonably average-detail ingame screenshot:

http://www.msu.edu/~bonddenn/screenshots/descent2.jpg

The level of detail is ideal.

[DimensionT]

Thanks for recapping your post, Caydr!

[Sodeju]

A port of Transport Tycoon would be great :eek:

[alex64]

My Votes, in sequence of preference are:


Beats of Rage: http://www.senileteam.com/
Hexen 2: http://uhexen2.sourceforge.net/
Stendhal: http://arianne.sourceforge.net/?arianne_url=games/game_stendhal
Lemmings: http://www.lemmingsuniverse.net/index.html
Transport Tycoon: http://www.openttd.org/downloads.php

[DimensionT]

I just realised I haven't voted yet, lol. I'd go for Descent... WiFi co-op and death match would be freakin' awesome!

If anyone is willing to verify the results, please do. Just so I don't forget anyone.

[HtheB]

euh.. Beats of rage is allready been ported by GPF :confused: :confused:

[Knux896]

You know, it's kind of funny. I was laying down in my bed last night and I saw my Descent game box on a shelf in my closet. I remember closing my eyes and thinking "wouldn't it be great to play that on my DS":).
Interesting coincidence, eh? So I guess my vote would have to be for Descent.

[Mazza]

DUKE NUKEM 3D

Hell Yeah ;)

[thetree222]

stendhal, but only if you can get the whole wifi thing goin so it can be an mmo, not a regular rpg. if no wifi... id say lemmings. and if its possible, half-life. half-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-lifehalf-life

[DimensionT]

euh.. Beats of rage is allready been ported by GPF :confused: :confused:

Got me on that one, :D. Did he ever make a release though? I can't find one anywhere.

[caydr]

Half-life ain't happening. It's too complex, too detailed, and sure as hell isn't open-source.

To qualify for this list, a game must be:
open source
open source
and
open source

See, it fails all three criteria.

[lolmasta]

Defect said HL is possible.
Maybe a Counter Strike would be more possible and easier.
Like it would have 2D Sprites, or Low-Poly models. Extremely Low-Poly.

[masterpaul]

Ocarinia of time?

[caydr]

When he said it was possible, maybe he meant that it was within the realm of reason that it might run not too bad on the DS. However it is not open source. Counterstrike, even if open-source, relies on non-open-source HL1 stuff. Period. That's all there is to it. You cannot just get source code from out of nowhere, and source code is required before you can even begin to think about porting something.

[Mochu]

for me :

Duke Nukem 3D
Shadow Worrior
Abuse

i will love to see thos games on my ds :)

[Hansie]

Stunts a.k.a 4d-Driving would be awesome.

I love the game though it's old.

[WhiteX]

Descent with touch screen control...Sweet!

[CampaKaze]

Lol Descent looks to be good quality for a DS Homebrew, so ill go with it, but wouldnt it be cool if you could get unreal tournament or tribes 2 on the DS? i thot that would be soooo cool, but its most likely impossible.

[Quay Cur]

Descent. Most def.

My absurd homebrew suggestion that has nothing to do with converting open source: I've been fantasizing about a DS Mario Sunshine lately. The way I see it there are two options. One would be to model it after NSMB (which would involve a rediculous amount of level redesign) and the other is to model it after Mario64 DS (again, would be very dificult, but you wouldn't have to think as much about level redesign as it would be in 3D). If I ever get up the energy to learn how to make a DS game I'll try. I'll probably end up pestering Nintendo about it, too.

[WhiteX]

Well, Unreal, Quake and descent are good also good are Diablo and Starcraft but i believe those aren´t opensource.

If they were, Diablo could be like this...

[Quay Cur]

Diablo would be hot shit

[Ani-Monster]

Id take Starcraft over diablo.... id also take Warcraft 2 over diablo..... Warcraft 1 would be cool too!

id be amazed if any of those games were ever done, yet we can dream

[rokobungi]

I vote for Abuse

it would probably be the simpilest to port and make the best use of the controls.

aiming and weapon selection via the touch screen (TAP to select weapons DRAG to aim otherwise you might accidently be changing weapons all the time)
movement via the pad and L to jump should work perfectly.

plus the levels and graphics in one version are open source also are the descent levels and graphics and models open source also or just the engine?

[chemical]

My idea is the original Sims, I know its a huge PC game but by that I mean the sims where you "play god", create a house and make the family do what you want, this game can become tiresome on the PC when its your only focus, but is perfect for a handheld whilst your lounging around, IMO it would be a big hit in this community, even if it werent directly a sims port, we need a game like that.

Aswell as that I'll just list random games i'd like in no real order:

Sims 1
Banjo Kazooie
Prince of Persia
Grand Theft Auto (I'd love a 3d styled)
Star Wars Battlefront!!!!! =-O, great game, for ps2 atleast
Tekken
City Of Hereos/City Of Villians



Alot are probably impossible ideas, but I have no idea how you guys do these ports so its worth a shot suggesting them.



Thanks for asking our opinions :)

[gamerremag]

it would be cool to have a ds version of WoW. and because of the wifi capabilities, you could have online servers, just like the quake port for psp. ah dreams...

[lettuce]

Err, Goldeneye would be good. whats happened to www.scdev.org havent been able to get on there for ages??

[AltDas]

I would love to see Wolfenstein - Enemy Territory for the DS! that would be awsome.

[lolmasta]

Counter-Strike or Half-Life: Deathmatch.
PLEASE!

[DimensionT]

Sorry, guys. I haven't checked it in a while... But apparently people still have some good ideas. Keep them comming!

The results are up to date now, and can be found in my sig if it wasn't already that obvious.

Just to remind everyone, this is a list of open source games. Feel free to post games that you think are open source (I'll do my best to find out), but games like Banjo Kazooie aren't even for the PC... Which means no source code, ever.

[gamerremag]

i vote for doom 2. :)

[Ani-Monster]

doom 2 is already working, 100% with DS Doom.

ultimate doom, doom 2, tnt and plutonia all work with it.

[caydr]

If you want to make a serious post *please* check to see if the game you want to see is open-source. And for goodness sake, don't suggest things like 2006-released PC games such as Wolfenstein Enemy Territory or WoW, that's just absurd. 50 DSs, all overclocked and sharing the processing load, could not manage 1 frame per second on either of those games.

No commercial game from any later than 1996-1998 is likely to be capable of running on DS hardware, and furthermore would not have had their source code released (mostly - if a company went bankrupt sometimes they give away some stuff, like what happened with Descent and Freespace). That includes anything based on the Quake 3, Unreal, or Source engines. Like I said earlier, that most certainly precludes any version of Counterstrike, so forget it and move on.

[Ani-Monster]

there really isnt any rts games yet... so Battle for Wesnoth or Dark Obero would be sweet.

[directive0]

Hey, I'm new. Not trying to throw weight around. But I vote for marathon. Its a straightforward and resourcefull game. Lots of stuff you can do with it.

Just my opinion, thanks for offering lowly end-users a chance to give input!

[subfreak]

Descent is still a unique game today and would be perfect for the ds. Its been years since I've had "descent dreams" too, flying around in my head down tunnels in my sleep after too much playing :/

[Lorestel]

I would love it if any of the games of the Ultima series were ported. There's probably only a few people here that have heard of them, but I think they were amazing. Besides, with ultima VII all you would have to do is make a port of a program called Exult.
http://exult.sourceforge.net/

[HellsDelight]

1. DosBox
2. Blood ( http://www.transfusion-game.com/ )
3. Rise of the Triad
4. Hexen 1 (not OpenSource?)
5. Shadow Warrior
6. Battle for Wesnoth
7. Duke Nukem 3D
8. Hexen 2
9. Descent 1&2
10. Abuse
11. Commander Keen 1 - 6

Shouldn't be the Doom2 WAD working with the already released dsDoom?

And for Lemmings isn't it Lemmings DS?

[Sektor]

4. Hexen 1 (not OpenSource?)

Hexen 1 (http://gtamp.com/DS/hexends.htm) was ported nearly 2 years ago by Rich. I updated it recently.

Abuse is awesome. I'll try porting it sometime but it's probably beyond my skills.

[rigor]

I definitly vote for Duke Nukem 3D ! And why not DosBox...
My dreams would be to play the first Carmageddon on the DS...

[rizaldi]

1. Star Control 2
2. Exult
3. Sierra Adventures interpreter(AGI+SCI)
4. Lemmings

[LRicke]

I don't know if it's open source or not, but if it is, I vote for "TROGDOR: The BURNiNATOR"

[d2lod]

Diablo 2 Is My Pick

[plesi]

Hexen I.. with the rpg features from Korax mod:
http://www.korax-heritage.com/kmod/

[MrIQ]

I'd like to see Enigma on the DS and Chromium B.S.U.
To Lemmings: There is already http://www.mrdictionary.net/lemmings/ (and I don't have need for another port.)

[Dragonic]

Dink Smallwood! Port it to DS! I really like that game! I played it a lot when I was younger. Please, port it :)!

[nyuk1998]

I would like to see any of the old Apogee games like the original Duke Nukem, Monument of Mars, etc.

[tn5493]

i´d like to see blob wars on ds (with multiplayer)

[pippo]

MAME...(37b12 can be true also on DS!!)

MARCADS is just dead for many time...

[CaptainDale]

stendhal

[Quesada]

World of Warcraft.

[MrSkiz]

System Shock 1

Ok, big licensing troubles ahead with this one, but when you see fine art like Christine's SS2 mod Pointerbee station, it would be great and could be possible to make an adaptation of System shock with heavy modifications on scenario to bypass EA's security.

[wiggy fuzz]

crysis... nah, just kidding. i have 3, though - legend of zelda ocarina of time (hoping ninty will announce this for e3 2008), super smash bros 64 (again, hoping ninty will announce) and abe's odyssey.

i seriously want the last one.

[giopagent12]

I would like to see castlevania sotn ported, even though its not on the list.

[Mini Moose]

Descent 2!!

[crookedmouth]

Thief:the Dark Project :)

[MrSkiz]

While I deeply believe DS is really fitted to fast paced action FPS (Quake and Descent ports are here to prove it), I think it also has great potential for more adventure/puzzle/stealth-based fps like Thief, System Shock, Ultima Underworld or Penumbra.

I vote for any port or "from scratch" homebrew of this kind !

What the community need is a solid FPS game engine with PC mapping tool. I hope cQuake will continue to evolve, then we could work at maps/mods with tools like GTKradiant or such... But maybe I'm dreaming.

[kidvini]

I votes are for: Cannon Fodder . International Karate Plus, command and conquer,red alert and any fps you could make.

I used To have hours of fun with these.

[Jeric]

Marathon/aleph one
Beats of Rage (or even just the engine so long as you can play the different packs that're built)
Battle for Wesnoth (even though I'm not a huge RTS fan...that game is just brillient)

Edit: People. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD/WHATEVER YOU WORSHIP PLEASE STOP WITH THE JOKE/UNREASONABLE PORT REQUESTS! Seriously, its hard to find the actual meat for all the 'crysis/warcraft yammering thus making actual requests harder to find).

[kurtless]

I want Mega man Legends.... What? It was a PC game, get all the source from the game and make it happen. I'd like that. I love that game! It wasn't exactly cutting edge when it came out, so it could be possible I think. You could even create extra weapons if thats possible.

[kurtless]

Oh! And Worms Armegeddon, the one for PS1 and N64, with Wifi ( I know they have a DS worms but, its not the same...)

[Jeric]

Reiterating a point made on the pandora forums about the same topic of what should be ported.

No Scourcecode=can't port it.