What do you call the special effect that has more of the same character in one shot?

[MrTeressaBond]

What do you call the special effect that has more of the same character in one shot?

like wen they can interact with eachother, and is abit like the Matrix Reloaded wen there is a multiple character shot of Agent Smith talking to eachother.

i am trying to do the same thing but not to be overly complicated, but just simple really.

i would really appreciate it if anyone can help me on this.

[Kramer]

i dont know maybe ghosting

[MrTeressaBond]

anyone?

or please dont hesistate if u dont understand wat i described above, please say so.

anyone else perhaps?

[Accordion]

hmmm
one way is green screen, film each character individually on the green screen, (this is used to diffrentiate between the actor and the surroundings, in case you dont know) and have the base film with the primary role filmed as normal, then you apply the extra green screen footage over the top.
you will need software "cut" the image from the green though, some cameras have the function built in, but Final Cut Pro can definately do it, im not completely sure how, ive only done green screen using a static image as the substitute background, and that was a long time ago...

it is possible though to simply set up your camera on a tripod and simply film each act separately, then overlay each one in post production. if you use masks on each part of footage you should be able to keep all the parts at full opacity...

[MrTeressaBond]

on the last section u mentioned where to film each character seperatly, and then overlay each one in post production.

how can i do that? where can i get tutorials on how to do that may i ask?

i have found wiked examples on YouTube that which is exactly what i had in mind. here are some that i really liked, but not to appear kust like that on screen, but the multiple characters in one shot:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ERTPRLboAc&NR


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l43pyVPY2o8&mode=related&search=

[MrTeressaBond]

anyone?

did anyone check out the links?

[Accordion]

what are you using to edit…?

if final cut pro i may be able to help…

[MrTeressaBond]

i only have a pc not a mac, so sorry.

did anyone check out the links i showed? arent they cool?? especially the test one between twos tudents in their school.

anyone?

[MrTeressaBond]

anyone?

pleasee??

[FrierTuck]

theres always the option of cloneing the person to appear and have both of him act at the same time, or travel in time or something, or get really artsy and monolouge and edit in diffrent angles lol

[MrTeressaBond]

oh ok then.

now i just basically want to know how did they do that.

how can it be done?

[FrierTuck]

well accordian Boy was right, green screen for professional jobs, but when i need to do something like this for filming i just use alot of cuts and hope they get the picture

[MrTeressaBond]

oh ok...

is that wat they basically done in those clips ive shown?

and is there a tutorial on how to do this?

[Accordion]

the clips most probably use green screen, or even separate shots "stitched together" but that is probably harder

sorry i cant help, im pretty good on final cut, but i know very little…the manual is a couple thousand pages…

[FrierTuck]

you need to have a degree in video post production to be perfect in this sorta thing i think

[Accordion]

or money, hardware, patience, and logic :p

[MrTeressaBond]

'or even separate shots "stitched together" but that is probably harder'

i really dont mind, i am willing to go for it. but how do u do it?

[FrierTuck]

well, use a film camera, and take out the film and cut and paste lol

[Accordion]

dont laugh, thats how it used to be done!
(make sure you develop it first…ahhh)

i wish i could help

you WILL need a professional editing application at the very least, possibly even a whole editing suite, with after effects etc.

the clips youve shown are most probably by either rich kids or students with access to the hardware/software

[FrierTuck]

damn rich kids, making us not rich kid's videos look crappy

[MrTeressaBond]

i got Adobe Premiere and a sort of decent computer, but i can alsways do it on a much better PC who belongs to my friend who wont mind at all.

i dont think they wer done by rich kids, go on YouTube and type the keywords, and you'll find very exact examples and very doubtfully done by rich kids.

[Accordion]

most likely students then..
hmm, never used premiere…give me a day and i might find out some more info…

[FrierTuck]

yah, if they were rich kids, there parents would have hired real hollywood professionals to help them

[Accordion]

hmm, im not that rich, but i do have 3 macs at my disposal with the latest final cut pro, and a dedicated VHS, DVD, monitor suite for testing…

dont hate me, its my dads fault, hes a community artist…

[FrierTuck]

oh, i meant like so rich you have a funny accent that only rich people have

[MrTeressaBond]

umm ok then.

from one of the comments left by the users, this person asked wat did they use.

one replied Afteraffects and Vegas Video.

dont know if that helps, and also now we know wat we are talking about in a way, what is this effect called then?

[little green man]

I am pretty clueless, but in movies they will usually avoid showing both characters at the same time. Closeups of one, and the other always jsut seems to have their back turned for the moment ....

[FrierTuck]

just some examples here, Star Trek Nemesis, Data was shown with his brother (same actor) many times, Austin Powers i think had some both face showing sceens for one of the three or four roles he played, also, look into Sam Raimis "Fake Shemp" concept

[MrTeressaBond]

i knwo those very well...

but i really want to know how to 'stitch up' the images together so it will look like if there was more of the same character in one shot.

anyone?

[MrTeressaBond]

pleaseee??

anyone?

i dont mean to be rude or soo wanting to know how it is done.

i would really appreciate if anyone can tell me or where to know how it is done.

[FrierTuck]

maybe you should find a forum with more of a focus on this, like uhh, theres one somewhere up here in my mind but its not comeing to me, but to humor you, i will now preform a google search, now

http://www.pghfilmmakers.org/bboards/showthread.php?t=156

[MrTeressaBond]

thanks soo much...

the boards are like totally dead in there.

anyone?

[MrTeressaBond]

have you found anything with your google search may i ask?

[FrierTuck]

that link is what i googled up, do you want me to do another one

[MrTeressaBond]

i hope u dont mind though :D

that board was dead.

does anyone else know what to do or wat this effect is called?

[MrTeressaBond]

how was your google search?

its been awhile :D

ay i ask if now anyone might know how it is done or wat the effect is called then?