The 2.71 Choice - To Downgrade or use Eloader

[wraggster]

PSP owners on firmware 2.71 have a big choice very soon, (well as soon as either the downgrader or eloader are released).

Do you downgrade or do you opt to use the Eloader ?

Both using the downgrader and Eloader will require you to be a bit knowledgable with PSP stuff but id say the Eloader was the safer option.

So to all DCEmu Members and bearing in mind that neither has been released yet, If it affects you would you downgrade or use Eloader?

Ill be interested to see the general feelings on this issue.

[M!ckeY]

i will use the downgrader on my other psp, i just like being able to launch homebrew without the use of a an eloader :)

[DefaultGen]

Downgrading my 2.0 to 1.5 was a piece of cake but I hear that the higher firmwares are harder to downgrade *scared*

Still if I had a 2.71, i'd downgrade.

[M!ckeY]

they are very simple to downgrade, especially when someone creates an .exe for the pc that installs everything on you psp properly

[bullhead]

I think that the downgrader would be the best option.
It gives people the option to use a combination of both the e-loader and firmware 1.5.

I would boot up 2.71 through custom firmware and then run the eloader through devhook 2.71.
And you can also safely customize the 2.71 devhook firmware, which is another advantage.

If you mess anything up, all you have to do is replace the flash1/flash0 files.

So yes, definately downgrade.

[eazy-e]

downgrade i would downgrade

[Malksta]

I would downgrade.

[zevernos]

well unless it could downgrade TA-082 psps im stickin with the Eloader untill they make one for the unfortunate TA-082 psps

[Uruz 6]

Downgrade of course (it's not that hard really).

[teller]

I would downgrade. but it's not working yet for 2.80 ;-(

[Rocksil]

Downgrade Surely

[aries2k4]

Yep, i would say downgrade, but only with a reliable downgrader.

[fistikuffs]

Downgrade without a doubt!

[Rocksil]

Yep, i would say downgrade, but only with a reliable downgrader.
YEAH!

[QueadlunnRau]

Deff downgrade, it's no contest! 1.5 FW can do EVERYTHING a 2.71 can, but vis versa is not the same.

I have to admit though Fanjita's work is phenominal without which I would not have stayed glued to the DCEmu scene.

[cools]

If I were on 2.71, I would use eLoader. (and I will to test apps for 2.71 compatibility (devhook of course))

[felonyr301]

i would downgrade cause i dont want to load the eloader just to play my homebrew apps

[Psphreak]

I prefer going into the game menu and launching from there rather than the eLoader option. Downgrade definitely if I had a 2.71

[jools]

I would downgrade :D

[S34MU5]

downgrade. if i had 2.71. welcome to the club when you do it

[vladiftodi]

well u are stupid people
eloader is better
it will be the same as 1.5, plus iso loading till 2.71 will be piece of cake, and all the feautures with no emulation and risk, but we are not talking just about risk, no mo re kx exploit think its hard adding folde another % u know what i mwean...
i definately use eloader:
reason 1 safer
reason 2 the same as 1.5 loading will take through menu, if u n00bz havent read what fanjita said on gta, since kernel mode they wanna make homebrew through menu...
3: iso loading easier
4: its more confartible
5 people grow up, only jools is the man

[splodger15]

i would downgrade

[Timale-Kun]

We can join the 2.71 community with a 1.50 DevHooked, so where's the matter^^. just waiting for a safe one before making the damn big jump (2.71->1.50)

[felonyr301]

you probably never had 1.5 and just got used to an eloader option but if you had what the hell you on man and be careful talking about iso loaders and isos over here.

[bbrewer01]

well i have 2.6 ta-082 and i have no chance at downgrading at the moment. and why would i want to downgrade if i can have user and kernal modes. plus get all the cool stuff on the 2.6 fw

[ExcruciationX]

I would downgrade (If I had a 2.71).

[Uruz 6]

well u are stupid people
Careful with words.


iso loading
Isos are illegal, don't talk about them on this site.


its more confartible
:eek: Oh, really? guess you're a noob.

[bigrich68]

i will probably use e loader cause I only had my psp for about a week(plus its safer) and am a little nervous about downgrading and from what im reading e loader dosnt take much effort to use just select from pictures on psp then run hombrew from there. Also MY original FW 2.7 has the flash capability already why go through the trouble of running DEV HOOK.(IF I downgrade to 1.5)

[Tron_Fan]

I'd like to try the Eloader because even though people bag on the firmware updates there is some cool stuff on them. If it's possible to keep 2.7 I'd like to, otherwise I may downgrade.

[Kramer]

The thing is sooner or later umd's are going to need 2.8+ and unless a umd loader is made your going to have to downgrade.

[Uruz 6]

If it's possible to keep 2.7 I'd like to.

That's the reason 1.5 can run DevHook; this way we get 1.5's freedom and 2.71's new features.
I can understand people who don't want to try the downgrader it's still risky if you mess up.

[bbrewer01]

but what about ta-082s we can't right now

[stealth_blast]

i would use eloader

[samidgley]

If i had 2.71.. rather than my good ol' 1.5 , I'd probably use an eloader rather than downgrading as it's far safer.. I'd hate to have a very expensive brick cluttery my room. I had one once when I cracked the screen

[ssbm_04]

I would downgrade. But the thing that I would like to know, does is still need gta:lcs to downgrade it?

[tallica]

I would downgrade but if you were scared the new eloader will almost be the same as having a 1.5.

[The_It]

if someone made another easydowngrader like for the one for 2.60, i would downgrade, but until then I would use the eloader

[ICE]

well i think im going with eloader since if i brick my psp... well lets just say money is not on my side. with eloader i wont be risking bricking my psp and i can wait for compatibility with the a 2.71 eloader.

[no_pulse]

I would definitly downgrade if i had 2.71 firmware, because you can easily load either firmware's with harleyg's custom firmware & devhook.
The risk of bricking the psp is off-putting but its worth it if you're successful (Just make sure you follow all instructions and you should be fine).

Good luck if you do decide to downgrade! :)

[fatgav81]

is there a downgrader for 2.71 out now?

[no_pulse]

is there a downgrader for 2.71 out now?

Not yet mate. Hopefully in the next month or so..

[aries2k4]

Well even though I have a 1.5. I´m real glad the eloader is coming out. This way after using devhook patched, instead of going back to 1.5 to load a new homebrew, i´ll try loading through the eloader. I think it´s actually great that we will have options to play our homebrew. Definately exciting times for a PSP user.

[ICE]

no. its being worked on.

[Gid911]

i would downgraid for ceartian. but im on 2.80

[ICE]

will there be compatibility issues with a 2.71 eloader? i mean will the games be immediately compatible with the loader or will they need to be tweaked?

[Anger]

this wont directly affect me but heres my thoughts on this possiblity.
first if you did downgrade you can still fully emulate 2.71 so you wont lose anything.
second you have custom firmware which can allow you to boot into devhook directly and thereby make it seem like you are running 2.71.
third you can run anything that has already been released whereas the eloader may have compatability issues (initially at least).
eloader could be a good thing for those who are not willing to take the risk of the downgrade (the risk of downgrade would/will be as high as the recent 2.5/2.6 downgrader, maybe even higher)
however the eloader is based on an overflow exploit which means it could have stability issues (yet to be proven or proven wrong of course as it doesnt exist yet) but going by previous eloader experience it 'could' be a little unstable.
in conclusion if you are willing to take the risk go for the downgrader otherwise go for eloader - there will be a need for both. :)

[.:}<3\/!}\{:.]

downgrade!!!

[JD/]

Im sure if theres a stable downgrader like the 2.6>1.5 or 2.0 > 1.5 no one will want to stay on 2.7 since it can be emulated on 1.5 and custom firmware feels like a dual boot :) good old harleyg's.

[Nikolaos]

downgrade ofcourse.. whos to say all homebrew will run off the eloader? we all know how much of a pain it can be with gta eloader bock. buh hey ? whos to complain.

[Xiro]

I would downgrade. But the thing that I would like to know, does is still need gta:lcs to downgrade it?

nope is uses the TIFF exploit much like MPH's 2.0 downgrader.

[Cooe14]

is there a downgrader for 2.71 out now?
No but it is coming.

[Timale-Kun]

you probably never had 1.5 and just got used to an eloader option but if you had what the hell you on man and be careful talking about iso loaders and isos over here.

Who's never had a PSP 1.50, when he bought his PSP September 1st 2005^^

[**1_Man_Matrix**]

Downgrade, then emulate 2.71.

Say, does anyone know who to get the Talkman Mic working? I've been using the Socom Mic with it, cause the Talkman USB Mic doesn't work with Devhook.

Downgrading is pretty easy... I was really worried about nothing when I went from 2.0 to 1.5, and from 2.6 to 1.5... Easy Peasy :)

[MHB_1990]

Downgrading that what all people want

[mavsman4457]

I just have a quick question which I think I know the answer to and it's probably not for sure right now but here goes: I have a 2.6 that is NOT a TA-082 but I don't have GTA. Will I be able to use this downgrader on my 2.6? And by the way downgrade over eloader anyday. Also, does this exploit break any ground on 2.8 being able to be emulated through devhook?

[gamerjunkee101]

I just have a quick question which I think I know the answer to and it's probably not for sure right now but here goes: I have a 2.6 that is NOT a TA-082 but I don't have GTA. Will I be able to use this downgrader on my 2.6? And by the way downgrade over eloader anyday. Also, does this exploit break any ground on 2.8 being able to be emulated through devhook?
yes if someone makes one

[**1_Man_Matrix**]

Just remember about the overhead...
I'm not sure exactly how this kind of thing works, maybe someone can clear it up for me...
But I'm going to say it's a cache thing. Or perhaps just standard memory usage, isn't sufficient, but eloader on 2.60, had some speed problems.
Eloader is awesome, and it provided me with Doom, gbc emulator, etc when I was running a 2.60, But SNES emulators etc were very slow, but on 1.50, they are full speed.
So downgrading, not only can you emulate 2.71 anyway, but there will be no overhead, resulting in all applications running full speed.

:rolleyes: Something like that.

[mavsman4457]

Just remember about the overhead...
I'm not sure exactly how this kind of thing works, maybe someone can clear it up for me...
But I'm going to say it's a cache thing. Or perhaps just standard memory usage, isn't sufficient, but eloader on 2.60, had some speed problems.
Eloader is awesome, and it provided me with Doom, gbc emulator, etc when I was running a 2.60, But SNES emulators etc were very slow, but on 1.50, they are full speed.
So downgrading, not only can you emulate 2.71 anyway, but there will be no overhead, resulting in all applications running full speed.

:rolleyes: Something like that.

The reason that you didn't have fast emulators on your 2.6 was probably because it cannot use the ME.

[**1_Man_Matrix**]

The reason that you didn't have fast emulators on your 2.6 was probably because it cannot use the ME.

Not just emulators, programs like Quake ran slow aswell. Hmm, kernal access probably would have helped alot too :p Was still awesome though.

[LampDev]

The reason that you didn't have fast emulators on your 2.6 was probably because it cannot use the ME.
That's exactly right. The reason you could not use ME was because kernal access was for fw 1.0-1.5 only.

This new exploit should theoreticaly allow for kernel access which puts a 2.6 on the same level as a 1.5 if all goes smoothly.

As for downgrading, I bought my PSP in May and I still have not downgraded. I love my PSP and it wasn't a simple thing for me to just pony up $230+ for a handheld gadget. I'm glad I did, I was going to spend close to $400 on a pocket pc which did less than the PSP. I get to watch movies, browse the web, listen to music, read pdf books (chm reading is possible if you convert it to PDF using acrobat), emulate other consoles, and play homebrew games.

Why would I want to jeopardize such a good thing right now when I don't even have the inclination to play a UMD game? Why would I want to possibly destroy something that is working fine and will work even better once an eloader is made that supports kernal access?

[Mark30001]

Hmmm, would downgrading from 2.71 to 2.60/2.50, then that to 1.51 be a safer option than downgrading straight from 2.71 to 1.50?

[Video_freak]

I would downgrade any day, if I had 2.71! :D

[LampDev]

Hmmm, would downgrading from 2.71 to 2.60/2.50, then that to 1.51 be a safer option than downgrading straight from 2.71 to 1.50?
I can't remember what the exact method is for 2.01+, but from what I remember of the 2.0->1.5 process, you fool the firmware to think it is a 1.0, then upgrade to 1.5.
So you can't really go to a firmware inbetween, I think. Really, if you are willing to risk your psp, why would you go to anything other than 1.5?

[**1_Man_Matrix**]

That's exactly right. The reason you could not use ME was because kernal access was for fw 1.0-1.5 only.

This new exploit should theoreticaly allow for kernel access which puts a 2.6 on the same level as a 1.5 if all goes smoothly.

As for downgrading, I bought my PSP in May and I still have not downgraded. I love my PSP and it wasn't a simple thing for me to just pony up $230+ for a handheld gadget. I'm glad I did, I was going to spend close to $400 on a pocket pc which did less than the PSP. I get to watch movies, browse the web, listen to music, read pdf books (chm reading is possible if you convert it to PDF using acrobat), emulate other consoles, and play homebrew games.

Why would I want to jeopardize such a good thing right now when I don't even have the inclination to play a UMD game? Why would I want to possibly destroy something that is working fine and will work even better once an eloader is made that supports kernal access?

Umm... Mario All-Stars on the go, answer your question? ;)


Although I spose, if it really does put 1.5 on the same level as 2.6, then you'll get to play that at full speed without downgrading:p

Ok, I give up... What's ME stand for? I know it's gonna be so friggen obvious once you tell me, hah...

[porchemasi]

My Opinion :)

Once 2.71 Eloader Is Perfected With Kernal Why On Earth Would U Downgrade?

2.71 = New 1.5 Soon ?

[Video_freak]

You may be right porchemasi. That's an awesome way to look at it... :)

[porchemasi]

ME = Media Engine

Use more memory for speed, thus better performance

[porchemasi]

lol wow sumone replied! :) kool


Fanjita keep it up!

[Video_freak]

lol wow sumone replied! :) kool


Fanjita keep it up!
I usually do. ;)

[**1_Man_Matrix**]

ME = Media Engine

Use more memory for speed, thus better performance

Makes sense, thanks dude :p

100TH POST! :cool: Bout friggen' time...

[muffinman]

i would propably downgrade if i had a 2.71 i know il end up downgrading my mates one

[Video_freak]

i would propably downgrade if i had a 2.71 i know il end up downgrading my mates one
Bring another person to the world of homebrew! :)

[kennyci]

I will use Eloader~

[alleyal202]

If the eloader lets u homebrew with kernel on 2.70 why downgrade it?U will have flash @ homebrew,i might upgrade now

[Video_freak]

Only if it's as easy and stable as 1.5, then I'll update.

[alleyal202]

Thats correct freak;)

[**1_Man_Matrix**]

Downgrader's Manifesto:

To attempt a downgrade on one's firmware, is to stare the beast directly in the eyes. One must have proclaimed self confidence, aswell as a vast knowledge of the internal software workings of the Playstation Portable device.
A successful downgrade leaves one feeling quite triumphant, where they are welcomed to the utopian world of 'Homebrew' development with a hearty grin.
Alas, an unsuccessful downgrade attempt, will yeild dire results and cause oneself to possibly lose their said sanity. One must understand that an unsuccessful downgrade can cause the device to malfunction, indefinently...

Good luck. :)

[ICE]

well since the guys working on the loader and downgrader said and i quote "with the possibility of kernel homebrew running without the need for a game UMD, why would you need to downgrade? " i think i know what im gonna do.

[MBaller20]

well i will probably use the eloader first and when a stable downgrader comes out then i may decide to do that.

[zevende]

I'll go with the loader, because it has kernel mode and I'll still get to use my web browser and have all the new audio and video codecs from 2.70. As long as loader vs. downgrader is just a convienience issue, I'll use the loader.

[MHB_1990]

release date for downgrade?

[DenofLions]

I would downgrade.

Coming from using the Eloader on 2.6 before the 2.6 -> 1.5 downdater was released, I thought the Eloader was fine untill I got 1.5.

I could never go back to using an Eloader.

[bbrewer01]

I prefer going into the game menu and launching from there rather than the eLoader option. Downgrade definitely if I had a 2.71
wouldn't we be able to eventually go into the game menu like 1.5 because are psp's are going to be just like 1.5 anyways. and another question don't 1.5 users have an expliot also which alows them to run homebrew? or does it just run it anyways? and we will be able to jump right into the eloader because the expliot is on the psp itself and not the game.

[FrierTuck]

damn this lack of details, argh, i hope its within a month, then again, it could be a christmas present, that weve found in the closet a few months early

[mavsman4457]

I was thinking in the next couple of days, although now thinking about it a couple of weeks seems logical.

[FrierTuck]

yah, but wraggy said very soon, not kinda soon, or end of school soon, or tommorow soon for that matter. now im contradicting myself, oh well, only time will tell, or maybe fanjita, but mostly time lol

[FrierTuck]

wait a tick, maybe wraggy is getting an idea for what people want more so Fanjita and Co. know what to put more effort into making

[MBaller20]

i hope it comes out soon like tomarrow. but if not, i really don't mind waiting for something this good to come out. :D

[FrierTuck]

im thinking maybe in about 2 weeks

[MBaller20]

well the more time they work on it, the better it will be.
if it releases in two weeks then that means they had a lot of time to work on it so hopefully it will be released with great results!

[razorak]

now correct me if i am wrong, but i believe that most of the 2.7s out there would be ta-082s am i not?

if it there aren't any restrictions like a frigging ta-082 mobo i would downgrade as well

[FrierTuck]

well, a lot of time to work on it would be 2 years of carefull testing and editing in every scenario, like professional video games, but still, if it comes out tommorow, it might be a bit too rushed

[FrierTuck]

about the mobos, well, dont forget alot of people out there complain cause they uped there PSPs to 2.7, like me, but you make a point, an eLoader first would meet more of the public demand

[MBaller20]

i think many people should try the eloader first and should wait until a safe downgrade is released

[krazyx86]

Being a PSP owner who has bounced back between 1.5-2.0 multiple times, then stupidly updating to 2.71, I'd definatly downgrade asap. My PSP has been doing nothing but collecting dust with it's extremely shitty library of bad ports/games. Homebrew, I miss you.

[treythepunkid]

i would do the downgrader BUT i would wait till its really perfect not like a 50% chance ofit working

[emuking]

downdater of course

[danw2k4]

ive downgraded multiple times, before i got frustrated once and in a minute of insanity updated my psp to punish it.

[dejkirkby]

Downgrade!

[benh]

I would probably use the e-loader because i put my psp at risk of bricking, I would only use the downgrader if it was proved that it was 99.9% safe

[M!ckeY]

i like the adrenaline pumping through my body from knowing that when downgrading there is a chance of bricking it :D

and when it bricks...i cry

[benh]

I havnt got the money to buy another 1 if it bricks plus its warrenty is almost over

[razorak]

man that sucks...hope a downgrader is out before ur warranty runs out

[benh]

yeah

[lhssb111]

Yeah!!!

[danw2k4]

don't be worried about bricking. Follow the instructions as closely as you can. And maybe if by a little chance it did brick take it back to the store and act clueless, it worked when i took back my smashed up ipod nano months later without a receipt.

[benh]

i have the recipt but i dont think you can return it after its warrenty has run out

[s1k0]

i would downgrade

[bbrewer01]

i have to use the eloader for now ta-082

[FrierTuck]

well, no info on an eLoader yet, but our friends in the codeing scene have brought us a downgrader, and plus, ill let you in on this, for the price i paid for my psp, plus an UP chip, i still wouldnt being paying 4/7 of what a psp is worth

[ACID]

If i had 2.71 id downgrade if available better then using eloader and you can still use devhook

[FrierTuck]

well, i want the bricking satistics first

[kiore]

downgrade

[bbrewer01]

ok now we ta-082's have to wait for the eloader!