Saddam Hussein executed

[shadowprophet]

Via (CBS News): BAGHDAD Former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein has been executed by hanging after three years in U.S. custody. He died before dawn Saturday in Iraq, which was about 10 p.m. Friday EST.

The shotgun-waving dictator ruled Iraq with a remorseless brutality for a quarter-century and was driven from power by a U.S.-led war.

Saddam was executed after being convicted of murder in the 1982 killings of 148 Shiite Muslims from an Iraqi town where assassins tried to kill Saddam.

Also hanged were Saddam's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court.

State-run Iraqiya television news announcer said "criminal Saddam was hanged to death and the execution started with criminal Saddam then Barzan then Awad al-Bandar."

The station earlier was airing national songs after the first announcement and had a tag on the screen that read "with Saddam's execution marks the end of a dark period of Iraq's history.

On his last night alive, Saddam sat alone on death row with his Koran, the Muslim holy book, CBS News correspondent Randall Pinkston reports. As his time waned, Saddam received two of his half brothers in his cell and was said to have given them his personal belongings and a copy of his will.

Najeeb al-Nueimi, a member of Saddam's legal team in Doha, Qatar, said he too requested a final meeting with the deposed Iraqi leader. "His daughter in Amman was crying, she said, 'Take me with you,'" al-Nueimi said late Friday. But he said their request was rejected.

CBS News national security correspondent David Martin reports that until being turned over to Iraqi control, Saddam remained in a jail cell in U.S. custody. The U.S. military had been prepared since early Friday morning to hand over Saddam to the Iraqi government, which wanted to execute the deposed dictator as soon as possible.

As anticipation built around Saddam's expected time of hanging, due to an announcement by an advisor to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, official witnesses to Saddam's impending execution gathered in Baghdad's fortified Green Zone in final preparation for his hanging, as state television broadcast footage of his regime's atrocities.

Also to be hanged at that time were Saddam's half-brother Barzan Ibrahim and Awad Hamed al-Bandar, the former chief justice of the Revolutionary Court, the adviser said.

The Pentagon said that U.S. fighting forces in Iraq are ready for any escalation of violence there.

"U.S. forces in Iraq are obviously at a high state of alert anytime because of the environment that they operate in and because of the current security situation," said spokesman Bryan Whitman.

The Iraqi government had readied all the necessary documents, including a "red card" — an execution order introduced during Saddam's dictatorship.

Saddam had been in U.S. custody since he was captured in December 2003.

A member of Saddam's legal team said U.S. authorities were maintaining physical custody of Saddam to prevent him from being humiliated before his execution. He said the Americans also want to prevent the mutilation of his corpse, something that has happened to other deposed Iraqi leaders.

"The Americans want him to be hanged respectfully," al-Nueimi said. "If Saddam is humiliated publicly or his corpse ill-treated," it could cause an uprising and the Americans would be blamed, he said.

Leading up to the execution, there was a religious issue that complicated the timing. The Muslim holy period of Eid begins this weekend, and there is some question whether Iraqi law permits a Muslim to be executed on a holy day. Martin reports that the Iraqi government reportedly consulted Muslim clerics.

Munir Haddad, a judge on the appeals court that upheld Saddam's death sentence, said he was ready to attend the hanging and that all the paperwork was in order, including the red card.

"All the measures have been done," Haddad said

In the United States, just more than an hour before Saddam was executed, judge rejected a request by his lawyers to delay the Iraqi leader's execution.

The attorneys had sought an emergency restraining order from a federal court in Washington to block Saddam's handover to Iraqi control. Earlier, a similar request made on behalf of Saddam's former chief justice was rejected by an appeals court. An appeal of the latest ruling is possible, but it's unclear if that will happen.

Saddam's lawyers issued a statement Friday calling on "everybody to do everything to stop this unfair execution." The statement also said the former president had been at the time transferred from U.S. custody, though American and Iraqi officials later denied that.

The governments of Yemen and Libya also made eleventh hour appeals that Saddam's life be spared. Yemeni Prime Minister Abdul-Kader Bajammal wrote to the U.S. and Iraqi presidents, warning in his letter to George W. Bush that Saddam's execution would "increase the sectarian violence" in Iraq, according to the official Yemeni news agency Saba.

Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi made an indirect appeal to save Saddam, telling Al-Jazeera television that his trial was illegal and that he should be retried by an international court.

Al-Maliki said opposing Saddam's execution was an insult to his victims. His office said he made the remarks in a meeting with families of people who died during Saddam's rule.

"Our respect for human rights requires us to execute him, and there will be no review or delay in carrying out the sentence," al-Maliki said.

As the execution neared, state television ran footage of the Saddam era's atrocities, including images of uniformed men placing a bomb next to a youth's chest and blowing him up in what looked like a desert, and handcuffed men being thrown from a high building.

Meanwhile, leaders in one of the United States' largest Arab-American communities said Saddam's execution will increase violence overseas and will not help the Iraqi people. Osama Siblani, publisher of The Arab American News, said Saddam's death sentence is one more casualty in a war that has killed thousands, and it will not solve the power struggle among Iraqi religious groups.

About 10 people registered to attend the hanging gathered in the Green Zone before they were to go to the execution site, the Iraqi official said.

Those who were cleared to attend the execution included a Muslim cleric, lawmakers, senior officials and relatives of victims of Saddam's brutal rule, the official said. He did not disclose the location of the gallows.

An Iraqi appeals court upheld Saddam's death sentence Tuesday for the killing of 148 people who were detained after an attempt to assassinate him in the northern Iraqi city of Dujail in 1982. The court said the hanging should take place within 30 days.

Saddam was born in 1937 in a village near Tikrit. As a teenager he was fashionably anti-British and anti-Western. He joined the Baath party but fled when his part in a plot to kill the prime minister, Abdel Karim Qassem, was discovered.

The ruthless Saddam gained a position on the ruling Revolutionary Command Council and for years he was the power behind the president, Ahmed Hassan Bakr.

During the 1970s oil boom, Saddam's Baath Party envisioned a country ruled by Arab socialism.

As deputy chairman of the ruling Revolutionary Command Council, Saddam headed an economic planning council that oversaw the building of vast industrial plants, huge housing projects, eight-lane highways, bridges, airports, universities and communication systems.

By 1979 Saddam had achieved his ambition. He became president and set the tone of his rule immediately by putting to death dozens of his rivals. Even outsiders who met him were quickly aware of the "Saddam fear factor" and its effects, CBS News correspondent Allen Pizzey reports.

"I think its fair to say that the intimidation, the fear that he caused reached into the inner circle of his regime and that deprived him of contradictory points of view," said former U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Richard Murphy.

Under Saddam, imprisonment or summary execution of political foes was common. Political parties, unions and civic groups not controlled by Baathists were banned. Traditional bonds were reshaped to support a one-party state.

Millions of Iraqis, though, were able for the first time in their lives to wear designer clothes and vacation in London, Madrid or Paris. Others started tasting imported foods and driving Japanese, German or French cars — all at government subsidized prices.

Within a year he made the first of several major miscalculations: A lightning attack to seize a waterway turned into the Iran-Iraq war, an 8-year bloodbath.

His 1980 invasion of Iran, portrayed as a fight against the Persians on behalf of all Arabs, set off an eight-year war that drained Iraq's economy and killed hundreds of thousands on both sides.

In 1990 Iraq's invasion of Kuwait would turn out to be another miscalculation, but in the months before the Gulf War of 1991, Saddam's stock in the Arab world rose considerably. Many Arabs saw Saddam as a man willing to stand up to the U.S., Israel and the West.

As years of sanctions ground down his people, Saddam refused to comply with weapons inspectors and remained the arrogant dictator, loved and hated in equal measure, isolated from his people and reality. Even he may not have known that he did not possess the weapons of mass destruction that were the pretext for the U.S.-led invasion, Pizzey reports.

[TacticalBread]

Just saw this on TV. It's about time, after we had him for three years. And since when do we still do hangings?

[SSaxdude]

I know many people won't agree with me on this, but the death penalty is barbaric.

[gamerremag]

^dam right i dont agree. why is that barbaric? he killed thousands of people. one death is not enough. good thing for hell. hope he rots, then comes back, then rots then comes back,
loop

n e 1 find a vid?

[JKKDARK]

I know many people won't agree with me on this, but the death penalty is barbaric.

death penalty is totally right, we don't need retarded people in this world.

[TacticalBread]

I do believe we should have the death penatly, but it is quite hypocritical. We kill murderers. Although I do believe Saddam needed to be put down. He was simply an evil person. He was basically the Hitler of today.

[Destroyer699]

Took them long enough.

[JKKDARK]

I do believe we should have the death penatly, but it is quite hypocritical. We kill murderers. Although I do believe Saddam needed to be put down. He was simply an evil person. He was basically the Hitler of today.

Why? Hitler wasn't against my country.

[SSaxdude]

^dam right i dont agree. why is that barbaric? he killed thousands of people.

There have also been thousands killed (even more than Saddam killed) in Darfur, but I don't see the American government doing anything about that.


death penalty is totally right, we don't need retarded people in this world.

Are you saying we should put children to death right after we find out they might be mentally challenged?

What was really accomplished with executing Saddam as opposed to him spending the rest of his life in prison?

[the_eternal_dark]

There have also been thousands killed (even more than Saddam killed) in Darfur, but I don't see the American government doing anything about that.



Are you saying we should put children to death right after we find out they might be mentally challenged?

What was really accomplished with executing Saddam as opposed to him spending the rest of his life in prison?

I don't think that she meant actually retarded. She meant people who do that stuff and think they can get away with it because of "power".

I hope the families of those who died see this as their day of finally receiving justice.

The Darfur crisis will be handled as soon as the military isn't so stretched out from the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

[SSaxdude]

the_eternal_dark
Yeah I know JKKDARK was referring to evil people.

[lmtlmt]

let the mother f_ucker burn!

[the_eternal_dark]

the_eternal_dark
Yeah I know JKKDARK was referring to evil people.

Sorry..

The next question:

Would you all have rather he had a longer, more painful death or one so quick as hanging?

[TacticalBread]

Why? Hitler wasn't against my country.

No, but he commited genocide, as did Saddam.

And don't think I'm racist against Germans, because I am mostly German myself. :p

[mnuhaily22]

Just torture him until he dies, the death penalty is giving it easy to him.

[lmtlmt]

they should of threw him in a dark pit and let him starve to death

[WHurricane16]

Considering my uniques situation, I was going to stay out of this thread, but.....


Why? Hitler wasn't against my country.

No, Hitler was against all humanity.

The death penalty isn't barbaric, but hanging is. It's not our call, though, especially when it comes to someone who murdered and tortured others. The Iraqi people decided he had to die, it's not on my conscience. If it's on anyone else's conscience, get a grip. I'm not going to shed a tear for Mr. Hussein, he put himself in this unique situation.

[the_eternal_dark]

I think death by testicular strangulation is very barbaric/sadistic/inhumane/painful to even talk about.

[ExcruciationX]

They finally killed him!

[razorak]

there's an even worse death:

Cut a hole in his flesh and put maggots in.
Next bury him in such a way that his head remains above ground
Next, pour buckets full of red fire ants onto him

[penileartery]

it woulda been cool if they woulda just put a lighter up to his feet and burned the **** outta him first, maybe he woulda said sorry first..:D

[the_eternal_dark]

there's an even worse death:

Cut a hole in his flesh and put maggots in.
Next bury him in such a way that his head remains above ground
Next, pour buckets full of red fire ants onto him

Maggots only eat rotting or dead flesh. Now, maybe some flesh eating desert wasp larvae would be more suiting for your needs of torture.

or you could set him on one side of a room, surrounded by sharp, rust, random objects, then about 25 feet away a vat of iodine or alcohol (or pure hydrogen peroxide), and have food after that. If he doesn't eat, he will die. Once he gets to the other side to find that the food is incredibly salty, put a glass of water right where he started. He'll either go insane and roll around on the floor and drown in the nasty chemical vat or starve or die of dehydration.

Not sure if that would work though....

[TacticalBread]

How about mental torture. That's my favorite kind. :D

Show him a soda can, and tell him he has to be in it, or it will be in him, then leave him to contemplate. :rofl:

[zidanerick]

I do agree with the death sentence on this occasion, but when is bush gonna get hung? He is responsible for almost 3000 deaths himself in Iraq. The coin flips both ways.

[the_eternal_dark]

I do agree with the death sentence on this occasion, but when is bush gonna get hung? He is responsible for almost 3000 deaths himself in Iraq. The coin flips both ways.

More than that. How many innocents have also died?

[lforster]

Wow check out all the wannabe experts in humanity.

Geezer deserved the death penalty (chemical weapons against your own citizens... nice!) That said, the muppets in the coalition probably should have thought a little bit more about the consequences of their hurried invasion - no WMD = no justification.

When all's said and done, Saddam Hussein was off his rocker, but at least he had style - check out those palaces.

[S34MU5]

YES heard as soon as it happened, torture woulda been better

[dafe1er]

OK, I think it was great that he was hung, and I think that we ought to implement it here in our country ( THE GREAT U.S.A ) because we are doing nothing but wasting our tax dollars on jackass's ( to put it nicely ) that are sitting on death row for the last 25 yrs., that have in my opinion done almost the same crime ( like rape, child molestation, murder, etc..) I think that all the liberals have to wake up and smell the rose's. but they wont until something horrific happens to them or there family.

I also want to say THANK YOU to all our men and women over there fighting for OUR RIGHT TO HAVE FREEDOM!!!! may god bless you and please come home safe.

now I know some of you will have a smart ass comment to say to me, so go ahead, but think of this before you type:

My father fought in VN. to help us keep our freedom and for the respect of his country, and till this day, has not asked anyone for there help on anything. but watches the news everyday and Wonder's why the liberals can't get off there ass and try to help us win a WAR started by some sand jerky............ enjoy your freedom while it last because I know I am and will till the day that I die.

GOD BLESS AMERICA, AND IN GOD WE TRUST.!!!!
:thumbup: :D :) ;) :rolleyes: :rofl:
Dafe.

[souLLy]

To me all killing is wrong, it's hypocrisy to kill a man for killing.
Alas, the world is better off without him. I just hope this doesn't lead to a bunch more violence (from what I've seen so far it appears to be going that way)

[S34MU5]

Hail Hitler

[souLLy]

Hail Hitler

not cool man, not cool at all

[gamerremag]

There have also been thousands killed (even more than Saddam killed) in Darfur, but I don't see the American government doing anything about that.

yes, but we dont know who they are. of course some of them are quite obvious, they are like the terrorists in iraq, you cant tell them apart. people who act like normal civilians can (im not being racial, this applies to all cultures) have either a gun/explosive on them to hurt people.

i actually did a powerpoint on darfur a few weeks ago (for school, wow who thought i'd use that?) and he did kill more than the total deaths in darfur.

700,000 vs 200,000-400,000 (the sites i research varied)

[dejkirkby]

Why on earth say that S34MU5. That's bad. Really, really bad.

[WHurricane16]

I can't take it anymore. You know, after Pearl Harbor, movie stars, baseball players, and intellectuals went to the fight during WWII. Five years after 9/11 we have people at home who seemingly forgot the lessons of 9/11. Sure, the war looks bad but why are we in it in the first place?


I do agree with the death sentence on this occasion, but when is bush gonna get hung? He is responsible for almost 3000 deaths himself in Iraq. The coin flips both ways.

1. Blaming someone for anything is self-destructive in nature because you're only looking to make yourself feel better.
2. I could understand if Bush did all of this with evil intentions, yeah, string him up. He would deserve to die. But Bush and co. (though I don't care for them much) had good intentions but did some very bold stuff. Namely, the WMD thing. Saddam was holding that over everyone's heads only to protect his own ass from neighboring countries (i.e., Iran)
3. If you have to blame someone, blame our own Intelligence. Hell, while you at it, blame the intelligence agencies of other nations who said the same thing.
4. No one holds a gun to someone's head and says "you be evil". No one told Syria and Iran to facilitate agents to come into Iraq and make the situation worse.
5. 5 goes back to #4 and #1: saying "the situation is worse because we are there" is passing the blame again. Again, no one told these guys to be evil and mass kill the neighboring tribe or family. It's not freaking conspiracies over here, it's real life. Try that for reality.

Yes, all the news on the television and online are slanted to give you bad news and drive it at you consistently. Think about it, if it wasn't for Iraq what would they report? Local thefts, murders, and all of that still but talking about them more at length, making you think your town or country is the worst in it's respective locale. News medias hurts the troops on the ground. Hell, it hurts me because I have to see it, so much so I try not to watch the news.

All of you people who have never lifted a finger for your country (either by serving or sending a letter to a troop) I have little respect for you either way. I shouldn't say that, but I do and it's a feeling that's come over me for the past month. It's a matter I'll have to take up with God, nothing I can fix alone. You sit in your cushy chairs with all the freedom in the world but you would never fight for that freedom or show respect to someone who fights for that freedom. Then, at the same time you say stupid shit like this:


There have also been thousands killed (even more than Saddam killed) in Darfur, but I don't see the American government doing anything about that.

Damn if the U.S. does, damned it the U.S. doesn't. I have a question: what is most of Europe doing? What are you doing? You sure that's what you wanted to say, because I can go on another rant and a history lesson on your words alone all freaking day. Try me.

Hell, I'll admit.....this war is jacked up. Know why? Because of faulty intelligence pre 9/11, the fact they didn't put enough troops on the ground at the beginning, and the simple fact the Pentagon took stuff lightly at the beginning while not encompassing the scope of their actions. 'Course, I'm sure the boldness of Iran and Syria wasn't on the plate, either. See how easy for me to be criticize this war in hindsight. Basically, that's what many of you do, and that's driven by your own media. The political agenda media. Who's tops? The New York Post and mostly all of British outlets. You are putting your own neighbor, brother, countryman in danger because you are showing the division within your own countries. This empowers these foolish jackasses who continue to kill us and their own people. Also, this crap about the Iraqis not doing enough is pure bullshit. I love it how everyone likes to find 'scapegoats for everything. That goes back to my destructive nature thing.

How is all of that Bush's fault? How can evil be Bush's fault? How can rape, murder, theivery and all that jazz be Bush's fault? You just enable jackasses to do the above, because you are scapegoating one man. In your own mind(s). You're probably one of the same people who said "let's meet Iran at the dinner table". Learn your world, or 9/11 is doom to repeat itself.

Bush isn't the most polished public speaker of all time and he comes off as a dope, but he's taking to much blame from most. What decisions would you have made under the advisement he got? After what just happened 9/11? All we me, you, or anyone who loves freedom can do is either take arms yourself, come work over here, or support the troops on the ground from at home. Supporting the troops means sending letters and try to think before you say something that will show how fractured our country is. Terrorists aren't dopes. They are manipulators and are looking for a way to exploit you and empower themselves.

For the Americans who spew garbage about our country on a daily basis, it makes me want to cry. Seriously. You live in the greatest country in the world and you don't even know it. While you are in line fighting over PS3s, paying attention to skank celebrities, and popping pimples there are kids from all over the world dying for freedom. Yeah, keep up the good fight back at home (rolls eyes).

Some of you back home are putting our lives in danger over here. The ones who want to continue the path of a self-destructive nature, have at thee. Evil is evil, and casting blame for someone else's evil is non-sensical. We all are accountable for our actions. What Bush did, his Cabinet, and intelligence from around the world did was not evil, just misguided. Saddam is evil. If you've never seen the video of the gassing of the Kurds in '88, go take a look. If you've never seen the mass graves of the Shiites in Southern Iraq, go find the pics. Don't let your short attention spans and "what have you done lately" attitude fool you. If not, we'll be in for 9/11 on the world level, and a most catastrophic level. We came in here under faulty intelligence, now we are stuck because their is a job to be done. Guess what? Evil can be vanquished, and that means this war is winnable. The good people of Iraq deserves their freedom, and dammit they shall have it because too many Iraqis, Americans, Brits, Ugandans, Koreans, Australians, Ukrainians, Polish, Georgians, and others have spilled their blood for freedom. It's a flipping tragedy, but freedom will freaking ring or it means nothing!

Damned if we do, damned if we don't. I would have it no other way. It's all about what you value. The negativity of it all or the positive gains from it all.


Hail Hitler

I find it very laughable that some people think that Hitler is funny. The irony. What do they teach in school nowadays? It shows.... Same as "the Holocaust never happened". When first I heard of that conference, I laughed for 10 minutes straight. Then I was very angry. I'm sure the 40% of Poland's population who didn't make it out of WWII would think it's funny. I'm sure Anne Frank would be giggling her ass off right about now. You meant it as a joke, but that's not funny, bro. To me, making light of the Holocaust is worse than calling me the n' word. Crime against humanity is never funny, politically correctness or not. I won't hold that against you, though, but I've seen it way too many times lately.

[souLLy]

You live in the greatest country in the world

AMERICA, **** YEAH! COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHER****ING DAY YEAH

[gamerremag]

can anyone find an uncut video of saddam getting hung? i can only find the one where they put the noose around his neck and put him over the drop of poiint.


AMERICA, **** YEAH! COMING AGAIN TO SAVE THE MOTHER****ING DAY YEAH

lmao i knew i heard that somewhere. THANKS TEAM AMERICA

[acn010]

at last saddam is dead, poob.............................................. .. end of story. now terrorism is gonna happened, yes or no? is the new year celebration in times square will be terrorised? eh? lol im worried now

[splodger15]

You will never stop terroism

You take one leader out the ball game and you still got another

Although it always seems that the Uk and America are top in the lists for terroism

But it is something that will always be in the world you will never be able to stop it.

[acn010]

who said its gonna stop terrorism?

[VampDude]

can anyone find an uncut video of saddam getting hung? i can only find the one where they put the noose around his neck and put him over the drop of point.

I have the video where it shows him in the bodybag or in a white sheet, the FULL hanging video is probably on limewire as we speak

[shadowprophet]

Saddam Hussein was without a doubt a bad man.
But he was no hitler.
Hitler did way way worse then saddam:(

[gamerremag]

I have the video where it shows him in the bodybag or in a white sheet, the FULL hanging video is probably on limewire as we speak

no, the news stations around the world cut the video....those lucky b*s*a*d* got to see it live...but they deserved to watch it i guess...with all that S*** that happen to 'em becaused of saddam

[acn010]

i still remember that a group of terrorist cut the head out of this soldier

[souLLy]

America invaded Iraq due to the fact that Saddam Hussein was a direct threat to America, he was developing weapons with which to attack the US.

It's been since proven that this was clearly utter crap. So lets not patronise ourselves by talking about terrorism or 'liberating' Iraqi people. These have nothing to do with the reason why the country was invaded. These are all buzzwords put out there by a Government that wanted an uncooperative dictator out of the way (they'd much prefer someone who treats their people just as bad, but will pander to US wants if previous form stands true).

What new threat did Saddam present? none actually, his country was relatively stable, the things Saddam was trialled for were over 10 years old, he's no worse than numerous leaders of countries around the world that have the full support of the US government. He was attacked to settle old scores Bush's dad never managed to deal with. Which is fine until you think of the thousands of civilians and soldiers who have died for this cause.

I'm completely against the death penalty personally, it's barbaric and outdated. What impression do you give to your people if you say people can be murdered... but only if they deserve it. Who's to say who deserves to die? Irrespective of that, yes it's good Saddam is no longer in a position of power, one less evil dictator in the world is always a good thing, but let's be honest about the situation here, if we're going to be condemning someone who's caused the death of thousands of people allegedly, let's make sure our hands are ultra clean ourselves.

Not sure why you guys actually want to watch someone being murdered, that's just horrible- and don't post links here please.

[gunntims0103]

^ a well put point!

as i think of it another reson that the US went into iraq was mainly for "illegibly" oil. Wasnt there a big fuss that the US went into iraq for it? Did the US even find "wepons of mass desturction"? There are still many things unknown and left to be answered. Also i can't say i justify the death sentence of saddam or anyone for that matter, as people we don't have say to weather someone should live or die. Its actually funny to see how people even those who are very religious would say,"im glad saddam is out of power even if he was put to death".

Im gald that a dictator is out of power as thats all well and good. But as we see in any storie when one evil is destroyed a more powerful one comes into place, its only a matter of time........

I play to many RPG games!

[VampDude]

who cares, he's dead now!

[SSaxdude]

Sorry..

The next question:

Would you all have rather he had a longer, more painful death or one so quick as hanging?

How about the rest of his life in prison, and they feed him only oatmeal.

Let's also remember that Saddam was hanged for killing 148 people, not the thousands he did over a period of 20 years (estimates in the 200,000s.)

[the_eternal_dark]

How about the rest of his life in prison, and they feed him only oatmeal.

Let's also remember that Saddam was hanged for killing 148 people, not the thousands he did over a period of 20 years (estimates in the 200,000s.)

I'd prefer him being fed moldy bread crumbs, but you know, to each his own...

[TacticalBread]

Did the US even find "wepons of mass desturction"?

Yes, as a matter of fact we did find them.

I don't know all the details, but I know that we found them.

[gamerremag]

Let's also remember that Saddam was hanged for killing 148 people, not the thousands he did over a period of 20 years (estimates in the 200,000s.)

they just wanted enought to kill him...if they did want to do everything he did, it would take forever.


America invaded Iraq due to the fact that Saddam Hussein was a direct threat to America, he was developing weapons with which to attack the US.

It's been since proven that this was clearly utter crap. So lets not patronise ourselves by talking about terrorism or 'liberating' Iraqi people. These have nothing to do with the reason why the country was invaded. These are all buzzwords put out there by a Government that wanted an uncooperative dictator out of the way (they'd much prefer someone who treats their people just as bad, but will pander to US wants if previous form stands true).

What new threat did Saddam present? none actually, his country was relatively stable, the things Saddam was trialled for were over 10 years old, he's no worse than numerous leaders of countries around the world that have the full support of the US government. He was attacked to settle old scores Bush's dad never managed to deal with. Which is fine until you think of the thousands of civilians and soldiers who have died for this cause.

I'm completely against the death penalty personally, it's barbaric and outdated. What impression do you give to your people if you say people can be murdered... but only if they deserve it. Who's to say who deserves to die? Irrespective of that, yes it's good Saddam is no longer in a position of power, one less evil dictator in the world is always a good thing, but let's be honest about the situation here, if we're going to be condemning someone who's caused the death of thousands of people allegedly, let's make sure our hands are ultra clean ourselves.

Not sure why you guys actually want to watch someone being murdered, that's just horrible- and don't post links here please.

so if he cooperated with the president, he'd be fine? what about all the cities he destroyed? if saddam was cooperating with you would you let him live? if he said that you and him would take over the world one by one by destroying everything in site, would you say that that was ok? people who kill are the ones who deserve to die. an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. if i was to pick a way for saddam to die, it would be that every iraqi (srry for the mispelling) that had a family member that died because of saddam, every person that was wounded because of him, stuck one needle in him. do you know how painfull archipuncture is? imagine, hundreds of thousands of needles...although hanging is pretty good.

[lforster]

Yes, as a matter of fact we did find them.

I don't know all the details, but I know that we found them.

Hahahahaha clearly you should know all of the details because this time no weapons of mass destruction were found!!!!!!!

Christ almighty!!

Tell you what, geezer who moaned about oil and non-cooperation with US Presidents was right... but he started the post with "a stable country"...
Stable my arse :rofl: Only stable in your mind because none of the news of torture and oppression was newsworthy enough for the US media... stable? You obviously haven't got a clue about thousands of starving people thanks to Mr-oh-so-hard-done-by-Hussein's stubborn bullshit and non compliance with UN weapons inspectors resulting in UN sanctions.
He could have ended his people's suffering in an instant, probably built another couple of palaces in the meantime.
Selective memory seems to be a speciality when it comes to political discussions with you guys.

[TacticalBread]

Really now? Why don't you have a look at this (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,200499,00.html).

[lforster]

Well pal, I did read that - and this is the bit that stood out for me:

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

[TacticalBread]

Well pal, I did read that - and this is the bit that stood out for me:

"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."

How do we know that? Does it matter if those are the ones we went to war over?

Regardless, they are weapons of mass destruction.

[lforster]

How do we know that? Does it matter if those are the ones we went to war over?

Regardless, they are weapons of mass destruction.

You pedantic loaf. I knew that's what you'd come back with and yes it does matter if they're the ones we went to war over.
Read the article - it says that they weren't in a usable state. So in reality, they weren't WMDs, they were completely useless hunks of junk and chemicals long past their use by date.

The US (and the UK stupidly) went to invade Iraq because of WMDs that were being produced and stockpiled for some evil deed. They had no evidence of that, and nothing has EVER been found apart from some relics from the 90s Gulf war.

RESPOND.

[TacticalBread]

Does it really matter that they were not functional?

We found WMDs.

This proves that he had the power and the ability to make functional ones, and was probably planning to.


But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.

[lforster]

Yes it matters. It's not like we can invade a country on a whim, it's big time - you say you're invading them to overthrow a dictator who is planning to wipe out civilization with weapons of mass destruction you'd better damned well be sure that those FUNCTIONING weapons of mass destruction exist!

Edit: You have no desire to listen to reason... these IDIOTS were assuming that he MAY have the capacity to resume some sort of weapons program. This is the biggest load of crap ever and I cannot believe that you are even trying to debate this.
I am as happy as Larry (himself) that Saddam Hussein is proceeding to decompose in a box, but I will NOT listen to people trying to justify it with "facts" that are actually American assumption and false intelligence.
I will re-iterate, that non functioning weapons missed out from the Gulf war, are not a reason to invade a country and throw it into civil war.

[TacticalBread]

First of all, he had done it before. He tried to wipe out a certain race.

Second, he was harboring terrorist, and unless you are one, are against them.

[lforster]

Hahahaha are you reading that from a Bush press conference or something?!
Saddam dead = good.
Lies justifying invasion of Iraq in the first place = bad.

That's all I'll say on the matter because I am on the boat from Junon and I need to speak to Hojo soon.
GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR.

[dafe1er]

[QUOTE=WHurricane16;314241]

You said it brother!!!!! I'm sure glad there is more people like you in this world, than the pantie wearing b*****s that want to take over the world. (Binky)LOL..:D let's go to dinner and talk things out. Ha. what that really means is " how fat will you make my pocket" so I can re-run for election. Jackasses just Fat jackasses.

Dafe.:thumbup:

[gamerremag]

produced and stockpiled for some evil deed.


yea bread, they were just playing nice with the WMDs, they werent going to do anything with them that was wrong. :rofl:

[lforster]

Just like UK and US stockpile nuclear weapons so they can be used for peaceful purposes yes.

[dafe1er]

Just like UK and US stockpile nuclear weapons so they can be used for peaceful purposes yes.

No, we stock pile them so we can kill ass*****
that want to kill us. the biggest country in the world. duh!!!!I really don't know why you are acting like this, are you doing something to help the cause???? no probably not just like the rest of the liberals. why don't you go fight and try to help instead of trying to hurt all our troops that are there.???? if I wasn't the only child, I would go and help in a heart beat, but I can't so instead I stay here and support the one's that can. why not try helping SIR?

Dafe.

[souLLy]

so if he cooperated with the president, he'd be fine? what about all the cities he destroyed? if saddam was cooperating with you would you let him live? if he said that you and him would take over the world one by one by destroying everything in site, would you say that that was ok?

You misunderstand me.

Across the globe there are lots of nations with corrupt leaders who routinely torture thier people and commit atrocities daily. Why doesn't George Bush 'liberate' all of these nations? Because the reason he invaded wasn't to liberate those people, it was to get Saddam out of power and get in someone else who would continue keeping the people down but would give America access to cheap oil, cheap labour and allow the US government to have a military base in that country (always good things to have if you fancy continuing attacking countries in the area).

Yes Saddam was a wicked man and it's good he's not in power, but the reason why Iraq was invaded was nothing to do with that. It was a strategic military/economic move.

[lforster]

No, we stock pile them so we can kill ass*****
that want to kill us. the biggest country in the world. duh!!!!I really don't know why you are acting like this, are you doing something to help the cause???? no probably not just like the rest of the liberals. why don't you go fight and try to help instead of trying to hurt all our troops that are there.???? if I wasn't the only child, I would go and help in a heart beat, but I can't so instead I stay here and support the one's that can. why not try helping SIR?

Dafe.

Hahah yeah if you read my previous posts I'm actually happy that everything happened the way it did, however you have to accept that it was based on a foundation of lies.
I will not shutup when it is a fact.

I support the efforts of the UK troops, and I'm sure the American troops are just lovely too (love the pictures they took of the Iraqi prisoners in various poses - good job there!)

[lforster]

Yes Saddam was a wicked man and it's good he's not in power, but the reason why Iraq was invaded was nothing to do with that. It was a strategic military/economic move.

Yeah that's spot on. You were wrong about the country being stable when you said that earlier though.

[shadowprophet]

You misunderstand me.

Across the globe there are lots of nations with corrupt leaders who routinely torture thier people and commit atrocities daily. Why doesn't George Bush 'liberate' all of these nations? Because the reason he invaded wasn't to liberate those people, it was to get Saddam out of power and get in someone else who would continue keeping the people down but would give America access to cheap oil, cheap labour and allow the US government to have a military base in that country (always good things to have if you fancy continuing attacking countries in the area).

Yes Saddam was a wicked man and it's good he's not in power, but the reason why Iraq was invaded was nothing to do with that. It was a strategic military/economic move.

How can anyone disagree with this comment?

I live in the U.S. This is exactly what happened...
Anyone who believes otherwise is either a fool. Or bleeding heart naive fool.

[gamerremag]

You misunderstand me.

Across the globe there are lots of nations with corrupt leaders who routinely torture thier people and commit atrocities daily. Why doesn't George Bush 'liberate' all of these nations? Because the reason he invaded wasn't to liberate those people, it was to get Saddam out of power and get in someone else who would continue keeping the people down but would give America access to cheap oil, cheap labour and allow the US government to have a military base in that country (always good things to have if you fancy continuing attacking countries in the area).

Yes Saddam was a wicked man and it's good he's not in power, but the reason why Iraq was invaded was nothing to do with that. It was a strategic military/economic move.

uh, America, kiking ass, one country at a time

jk yeahhhhhhhhhh you might hav a point

[souLLy]

Yeah that's spot on. You were wrong about the country being stable when you said that earlier though.

well... I meant relatively so, there weren't mass killings going on at the time and it was certainly more stable than it is currently or anytime in the foreseeable future.

Lets hope things get a lot better from now on though...

[SSaxdude]

The WMDs supposedly found in Iraq were left over from the 90s.

[dafe1er]

Hahah yeah if you read my previous posts I'm actually happy that everything happened the way it did, however you have to accept that it was based on a foundation of lies.
I will not shutup when it is a fact.

I support the efforts of the UK troops, and I'm sure the American troops are just lovely too (love the pictures they took of the Iraqi prisoners in various poses - good job there!)

I'm glad you are a supporter and that makes me happy, but who really cares about picture's??? don't think it was just us troops doing that lets not make this a race/country thing please. it is what we haven't seen that makes me and probably all of us wounder. to tell you the truth I really don't care for bush, or any "real" politics, because they are all trying to feed there own pockets, and not help there own people. I see starving people and bad things happening all around me, and they are not really doing anything to stop that here in the state's, until it is election time and even then it is about the money. and yes I do agree some what about it being about the oil, hell why should I pay tons of money for gas???????? and one more thing I never said shut up, you and I do (last I checked) still have the right to free speech so by all means carry on. so that's all I have to say.

Happy new year to all of you from me and my family.!!!!!
Dafe.

[gamerremag]

The WMDs supposedly found in Iraq were left over from the 90s.

oh, i guess 90s WMDs arent real WMDs

[808]

Video:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1734042717556560160

And here's me expecting a spectacular escape by Saddam at the last minute :(

[souLLy]

Any WMDs that Iraq had were the ones the US government sold them when Iraq was 'on thier side' in the 90s and America wanted rid of a different leader in the middle east. Amazing how little things have moved on. :(

And Dafe, when you're driving around your inexpensive to run car, don't worry about all the people murdered for that gas. Seriously don't let that be a nag to your conscience- You DESERVE cheap gas.

[s1k0]

saddam killed 3 of my dads cuzins:( may he rot in helll
that video
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1734042717556560160 made my day

[acn010]

saddam killed 3 of my dads cuzins:( may he rot in helll
that video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1734042717556560160 made my day

he did? wow?:(

[SSaxdude]

oh, i guess 90s WMDs arent real WMDs

No, it just doesn't mean that Iraq had WMDs that they planned on using.


Any WMDs that Iraq had were the ones the US government sold them when Iraq was 'on thier side' in the 90s and America wanted rid of a different leader in the middle east. Amazing how little things have moved on.

Similar to how Osama bin Laden had military training from the US and he used one of our bombs on the WTC in 1993.

[lforster]

Happy new year to all of you from me and my family.!!!!!
Dafe.

Yeah and yourself.

[gamerremag]

i enjoyed hearing the *krack* sound, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

[the_eternal_dark]

i enjoyed hearing the *krack* sound, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL

Though you couldn't hear him shitting his pants at that moment, which was surely to happen by the way.

[thefanaticgamer]

does this mean a special ending episode of "thats our saddam"?

[SSaxdude]

does this mean a special ending episode of "thats our saddam"?

No, but he might have a sexual relationship with the devil then come back to earth while the US and Canada are at war.

[Kaiser]

No, but he might have a sexual relationship with the devil then come back to earth while the US and Canada are at war.

Only in the South Park universe do we actually have a military capable of fighting a war. :p

[TacticalBread]

Only in the South Park universe do we actually have a military capable of fighting a war. :p

lol.

"Blame Canada, blame Canada!" :p

[VampDude]

Saddam Hussein is having gay sex with the devil as we speak! lmao

[TacticalBread]

Saddam Hussein is having gay sex with the devil as we speak! lmao

I wouldn't be surprised! :p

[JKKDARK]

bestiality?

[TacticalBread]

bestiality?

That's Saddam for you :p

[thefanaticgamer]

im surprise3d poeple actually knew what thats our saddam is...

[ßüboni¢ $oñic]

Why? Hitler wasn't against my country.

but what was ur country?to it i was a rhineland *******. he was against large segments of your country and when "your" country "failed him" in war he wanted it destroyed
Are you saying we should put children to death right after we find out they might be mentally challenged? i think they are pretty much already dead when we have health services withheald. they offer nothin to the state.

I hope the families of those who died see this as their day of finally receiving justice.
Those of Dujail '82.. Not the kurds, kuwaitis, isrealis, etc etc saw their trials. the trial was a joke and was vague.
[QUOTE][And don't think I'm racist against Germans, because I am mostly German myself./QUOTE]under the laws of the Third Reich that might not be suffucient. how ironic..


my opinions on the matter as an observer of the region, his reign, other infamous leaders, and the like I'd say this:
I was not pleased with the trial or his behaviour. I was hoping for a Nuremberg esque trial. Represenitives from Iraq, the nations he fought, an Arab league rep., a UN rep., would take up a role as a judge. A chain of trials should had been happening. acomplices such as chemical ali and others should had been present. I supported the execution but i felt the hanging was too archaic and the judge to lynch happy. He sped it up out of eagerness. In my newspaper his lawyer said the law said he had 30 days after the conviction. This also diddnt reinstate the decisive authority of the US in external affairs. It had no real impact.

as for the video if not already stated
here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7532034279766935521

its alot more better then the samuel doe treatment..

[shadowprophet]

i think they are pretty much already dead when we have health services withheald. they offer nothin to the state.

Explain that to me please...

You know, If i didnt know better. I could swear you said mentaly callenged people are pretty much worthless...

Now im giveing you the benefit of the doubt that im simply mistaken..

Because. we all know you would be perm banned by my own hand for such an offence...

So please feel free to correct me on this matter. I would like to think someone wasnt so heartless as to say something like that..

or dumb enough to say something like that in my presence.
.....

As for me I think that people that belittle other people and think there superior to others are the true scumm of this world.. You know, the kind of people that think someone else is somehow inferior to them because they are different.

Yeah, those people are freaking scumm sonic. dont you agree?

[the_eternal_dark]

Didn't anyone notice that it was an instant death, not the slow painful strangulation that I had wished upon him?

Anyway, one more psychotic, mass-murdering f*ck gone to the underground to rot in hell.

Also, I forgot earlier, props to shadowprophet for the quick post on the execution.

[ßüboni¢ $oñic]

Explain that to me please...

You know, If i didnt know better. I could swear you said mentaly callenged people are pretty much worthless...

oh no man. I never said they were worthless.


Now im giveing you the benefit of the doubt that im simply mistaken..

Because. we all know you would be perm banned by my own hand for such an offence...

is it against the rules? i was not aware that was against the rules if i had made the statement you thought which i diddnt..

So please feel free to correct me on this matter. I would like to think someone wasnt so heartless as to say something like that..




Yeah, those people are freaking scumm sonic. dont you agree?

deffinently bigots with no insight.

[shadowprophet]

Im very happy I was mistaken about this :thumbup:

As for the rules of dcemu, There are many things the dcemu rules dont cover. But out of human decency I will ban people for crossing moral lines anyway.

Anyway. Im very happy to see you didnt mean what I thought you did.

Perhaps I was wrong about you after all..

I think I'll rep you, For haveing the balls to come back and speak to me on this issue. yes I believe I will.

[VampDude]

[QUOTE=the_eternal_dark;315707]Didn't anyone notice that it was an instant death, not the slow painful strangulation that I had wished upon him?QUOTE]

he probably faked his own death (nobody dies that quick from hanging) they should've left him hanging for at least 10 mins (not 10 seconds) not even I could die from that, he had/has military training and can play dead to his enemies (and whoever)...

...I reckon that he was just unconcious, and when they took him away they revived him. so in reality he's probably NOT even dead, very little is actually known as to what happened after. why do you think the media cut the video? they showed stuff from Kosovo back in 99, so whynot Saddam Hussein dying? if he was executed in either the U.S. or UK it would be truly known if he was actually dead...

...now this will lead to a conspiracy as to whether he's actually DEAD or ALIVE, his own country would'nt of killed him thou they claimed to have lived in fear of him - it was staged!

[pibs]

"Saddam Hussein they should call him Sodam Insane" Krusty the Clown

[mexicansnake]

That guy was insane...

[Zargon]

Personally, I don't agree with what he did and I don't agree with what my <expletive deleted> president did in Iraq in the first place. I may not vote, as I am only 16, but I believe that had I the option, I would have voted a monkey into office rather than this <expletive deleted>. At least it could have been taught how to make friends and not blast the <expletive deleted> out of whoever he pleased

[Cap'n 1time]

[QUOTE=the_eternal_dark;315707]Didn't anyone notice that it was an instant death, not the slow painful strangulation that I had wished upon him?QUOTE]

he probably faked his own death (nobody dies that quick from hanging) they should've left him hanging for at least 10 mins (not 10 seconds) not even I could die from that, he had/has military training and can play dead to his enemies (and whoever)...

they certainly do die in a very quick amount of time if their neck snaps. Having >175 lbs of your own body weight being instantly forced on your neck would surely be able to snap a persons neck. I remember reading about how excited people in the middle ages would get at public hangings if the neck didnt snap and they could watch people die slowly. pretty disgusting in my opinion.

Personally i dont know enough about saddam to decided whether he deserved to die in such a brutal way. I figure its their business and not ours.

[lakirkby]

Iagree people should keep there opinions to themself.

[the_eternal_dark]

Iagree people should keep there opinions to themself.

Sorry, but when you attack women and children with chemical weapons or have them mowed down by machinegun fire (as what was fed to us by our media, I'm not sure if it is all true or not) you do deserve to die slowly. Now some opinions should be kept to one's self, but in this case, I think everyone should express their opinions on this topic as freely as they like. I would have also loved to see Hitler strung up the same way as well, but no one got to him in time so it could happen, and he was a worse man.


Cap'n 1time, it has also been said that if you have a strong neck and tighten every muscle from jaw to shoulder, you could survive for a few moments, only to slowly strangle to death. The placement of the knot is also key in breaking the neck though. If the knot is behind the head, the neck will almost never break, but can also cause heads to be ripped off. It is usually placed behind the left ear (for unknown reasons to me) for instant/near instant death from all the body weight being violently shifted from one center of gravity to another, using the rope as a pivot point to jerk the head one way and the body the other causing incredible amounts of force to be sent in 2 directions, severing the spinal column/spinal cord at the nearest vertebrae, effectively killing the body instantly and disabling the brain from the abrupt body function cut off (heartbeat, respiration, etc).

Not only that, strangulation deaths due to hanging have been known to cause eyes to pop out and contort the face as well, this is why there are hoods usually placed over the heads of the condemned.

Don't ask, I was in criminal justice for too long.

[Cap'n 1time]

Cap'n 1time, it has also been said that if you have a strong neck and tighten every muscle from jaw to shoulder, you could survive for a few moments, only to slowly strangle to death. The placement of the knot is also key in breaking the neck though. If the knot is behind the head, the neck will almost never break, but can also cause heads to be ripped off. It is usually placed behind the left ear (for unknown reasons to me) for instant/near instant death from all the body weight being violently shifted from one center of gravity to another, using the rope as a pivot point to jerk the head one way and the body the other causing incredible amounts of force to be sent in 2 directions, severing the spinal column/spinal cord at the nearest vertebrae, effectively killing the body instantly and disabling the brain from the abrupt body function cut off (heartbeat, respiration, etc).

Not only that, strangulation deaths due to hanging have been known to cause eyes to pop out and contort the face as well, this is why there are hoods usually placed over the heads of the condemned.

Don't ask, I was in criminal justice for too long.

pretty gross. I havnt seen the leaked video nor do i wish to see the leaked video so i cant confirm in what way he was executed. I was just making the argument that a man could in fact die instantly via a hanging.

On the topic of him killing women and children in mass genocide, I have heard that alot of the news... but i dont really trust the news or most of the people in charge of the US military. I think until I knew the entire truth I shouldnt pass any sort of judgment on this man. I never will know the truth so I simply cannot comment on this. This is the business of the iraqi people, not crazy US and European speculators. He was no threat to us, in fact we put him in charge. So why does it bother people so much when:

1) They only know what an admittedly troubled bribed and trouble media tells them so.
2) He never did anything to us.
3) He was unable to do anything to us.
4) We chose him in the first place so we obviously trusted him.

I am not defending saddam. I am just suggesting that if we didnt stick our noses into everything that wasnt our business, perhaps we wouldnt CAUSE so many problems.

How do you make terrorists?
You get them to hate you alot.

How do you get terrorists after you when your country is open to all ideologies, religions, freedom of protest and freedom of speech?
You stick your fundamentalist christan nose into everything. (this statment was not pointed at anyone person on this board). Meanwhile you beg for tax cuts, give a small amount of money to charity to avoid more taxes, attack other cultures, and say everyone that isnt a crazy ass person like you is going to hell. And these people think thats what jesus wants... Ironic, they find it so odd that muslims kill over this... but the higher class neo con christians would most certainly vote to go to this meaningless war for three things. Money, To defend america from Weapons of mass distruction, and to free the iraqi people.

Lets make a check list shall we?

Didnt find weapons of mass destruction.

The iraqi people are all in agreement that they were better off without america and actually felt safer without the military there.

all thats left is money. wonderful reason to let thousands of american kids die.


and **** pat robertson

[the_eternal_dark]

pretty gross. I havnt seen the leaked video nor do i wish to see the leaked video so i cant confirm in what way he was executed. I was just making the argument that a man could in fact die instantly via a hanging.

On the topic of him killing women and children in mass genocide, I have heard that alot of the news... but i dont really trust the news or most of the people in charge of the US military. I think until I knew the entire truth I shouldnt pass any sort of judgment on this man. I never will know the truth so I simply cannot comment on this. This is the business of the iraqi people, not crazy US and European speculators. He was no threat to us, in fact we put him in charge. So why does it bother people so much when:

1) They only know what an admittedly troubled bribed and trouble media tells them so.
2) He never did anything to us.
3) He was unable to do anything to us.
4) We chose him in the first place so we obviously trusted him.

I am not defending saddam. I am just suggesting that if we didnt stick our noses into everything that wasnt our business, perhaps we wouldnt CAUSE so many problems.

How do you make terrorists?
You get them to hate you alot.

How do you get terrorists after you when your country is open to all ideologies, religions, freedom of protest and freedom of speech?
You stick your fundamentalist christan nose into everything. (this statment was not pointed at anyone person on this board). Meanwhile you beg for tax cuts, give a small amount of money to charity to avoid more taxes, attack other cultures, and say everyone that isnt a crazy ass person like you is going to hell. And these people think thats what jesus wants... Ironic, they find it so odd that muslims kill over this... but the higher class neo con christians would most certainly vote to go to this meaningless war for three things. Money, To defend america from Weapons of mass distruction, and to free the iraqi people.

Lets make a check list shall we?

Didnt find weapons of mass destruction.

The iraqi people are all in agreement that they were better off without america and actually felt safer without the military there.

all thats left is money. wonderful reason to let thousands of american kids die.


and **** pat robertson

The news is like the internet, usually fake or way overplayed. I was speaking on the fact that if he was committing genocide, he should have died slowly.

I’m far from a fundamentalist Christian. Hell, I’m not even Christian (or religious at all for that matter), but if the Kurds and other minorities in Iraq wanted him gone so bad and claimed genocide was taking place, how can you argue? I’m against the cruelty towards man, unless that said man deserves it.

I seriously think our reasons for being there are very cloudy at best. I think it was the whole “Look daddy, I got him!” thing for Bush. Waste of life, time, money, and resources.

Props to the Iraqi government to having the balls to do the execution. I was really shocked that they went through with it. I hope they can take over so that we don't have to be there anymore, even though we shouldn't have actually interfered in the first place. Not only that, if they wanted a revolution, they should have taken action and we could have helped them.

[shadowprophet]

Ive been avoiding saying this.
BEcuase its something that is harsh, and I dont like to think about it. And im sure you guys wouldnt want to think about it either.
BUt in this room we all seem to be mature enough. to wrap or minds around this concept.

Saddam was a bad man, Maybe even evil.
But america has no right to go over there and sort out another countries problems. We own america and that is the country we should be concered about.
Menawhile the people over there out of fear of a greater power follow what we tell them too, there between a rock and a hard place and they dont have there own freedoms. they have the freedoms we gave them, which isnt realy freedom at all.
True freedom is allowing them to run there own damned country.

In this world today there are still unthinkible evils that take place. human slavery still exisists in cartain parts of the world, hince the old expression the free world.
Because in truth the entire world isnt free, Every day people somewhere are lined up and executed in front of there familes while they watch there wives and doughters raped before there very eyes.
does this make the world news?
No because in truth. amaeica is frightend of china.
they are a super power too.
You dont see america running over to china with a noble cause screaming war on the unjust.
Because in truth this war was all about a small county that we simply had the power to push around.
And saddams execution was spead up because we are funding there new government. as it stand right now that county is (little america) what kind of freedom is this?!

And if our cause, (americas cause) is all about the moral and just thing to do, how come were not invading those other countries with more power that still pratice human slavery.

people get all cought up in political arguments and cant see the forest for the trees.

this is why I reserve my opinons on topics like this.
bacause anyone with a little heart and a little mind. could figure out that this war had nothing to do with justice.

[Accordion]

i just made a post, but it got deleted by accident...
damm
ill do it tomorrow, too tired now...
shame

[the_eternal_dark]

Ive been avoiding saying this.
BEcuase its something that is harsh, and I dont like to think about it. And im sure you guys wouldnt want to think about it either.
BUt in this room we all seem to be mature enough. to wrap or minds around this concept.

Saddam was a bad man, Maybe even evil.
But america has no right to go over there and sort out another countries problems. We own america and that is the country we should be concered about.
Menawhile the people over there out of fear of a greater power follow what we tell them too, there between a rock and a hard place and they dont have there own freedoms. they have the freedoms we gave them, which isnt realy freedom at all.
True freedom is allowing them to run there own damned country.

In this world today there are still unthinkible evils that take place. human slavery still exisists in cartain parts of the world, hince the old expression the free world.
Because in truth the entire world isnt free, Every day people somewhere are lined up and executed in front of there familes while they watch there wives and doughters raped before there very eyes.
does this make the world news?
No because in truth. amaeica is frightend of china.
they are a super power too.
You dont see america running over to china with a noble cause screaming war on the unjust.
Because in truth this war was all about a small county that we simply had the power to push around.
And saddams execution was spead up because we are funding there new government. as it stand right now that county is (little america) what kind of freedom is this?!

And if our cause, (americas cause) is all about the moral and just thing to do, how come were not invading those other countries with more power that still pratice human slavery.

people get all cought up in political arguments and cant see the forest for the trees.

this is why I reserve my opinons on topics like this.
bacause anyone with a little heart and a little mind. could figure out that this war had nothing to do with justice.

Some of that I completely forgot about, like the whole bit about China, though I was thinking about certain regions in Africa and South America.

Now that you put it that way, is America plotting something bigger? Something like trying to control the Middle East in the future for fear of shrinking oil reserves? I mean look, Iraq and Afghanistan have been changed by America so far. What's next, a ground invasion of Iran, the UAE, or any other large Middle Eastern country. It could possibly spread even farther. Once an invasion of Iran ensues, this could cause problems with Russia (if Russia is still a close ally with Iran), who may back Iran, and increase the need for troops. We may actually be seeing another World War brewing and not even realize it. It could also turn our allies against us as well, leaving us vastly outnumbered. It's a little far fetched, but it makes me think; suppose it's like a dirty snowball rolling down a mountain, it starts out as a small beautiful thing, then it gains more mass and picks up dirt, stones, more snow, vegetation, and eventually houses and people before ending at the valley in a massive explosion of various objects carried until the end and the resulting pile isn't all that pretty.

Or maybe I'm a conspiracy freak, I don't know....

[nomi]

I disagree with the hanging... Why wasnt Saddam taken to the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE?

[the_eternal_dark]

I disagree with the hanging... Why wasnt Saddam taken to the INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE?

Who knows, it would have been the better alternative and he would have been formally charged and possibly rotting under a prison for years before getting an execution, if he were proven guilty.

[pt9087]

WOW alot of pages. they should of kut his bollox of first

[the_eternal_dark]

WOW alot of pages. they should of kut his bollox of first

That should only be reserved for rapists and pedophiles.

[Tetris999]

I do agree with the death sentence on this occasion, but when is bush gonna get hung? He is responsible for almost 3000 deaths himself in Iraq. The coin flips both ways.

I agree with this guy

also the media lies like one bad mudda F***a's, i never
will know the bullshit they fill peoples heads with and i will probably never know, bush killed like a A LOT of iraqis (any remeber the incendent of 1 american soldier died then about 24 iraqi's had to die BECAUSE of it?) also how do you know if the media just shows deaths from therye point of view

anyway hes dead and theres nothing to do except move on

and wow the idea's of death torture by some of the people here, i wonder how much respect you have for your race, those idea's are from evil people themselves and none of them are just or right, therye downright horrible

and you know what whats gonna happen to the iraqi government, theres going to be a lot of turmoil between the sunnni's and shiites, saddam was bad but therye are people who are ten times more horrible (bush). and if i had to say from my part saddam had the country over control, he may have done some bad things but because of him the iraqis wouldnt go running around while america is shooting therye asses up and saying "we want money and oil" blah blah

theres no unity in iraq now because saddam is dead and i bet america (the ones who MADE this problem) are probably gonna abandon the country

the world keeps turning

[Cap'n 1time]

I agree with this guy

also the media lies like one bad mudda F***a's, i never
will know the bullshit they fill peoples heads with and i will probably never know, bush killed like a A LOT of iraqis (any remeber the incendent of 1 american soldier died then about 24 iraqi's had to die BECAUSE of it?) also how do you know if the media just shows deaths from therye point of view

anyway hes dead........

This might not be the first intelligent thing this user has ever said... but its the first one I've seen :rofl:

Props to tetris999