Datel TOOL batteries - buyer experiences

[wraggster]

News from Noobz (http://www.noobz.eu/joomla/news/datel-tool-batteries---buyer-experiences.html)


You've probably already seen the news that Datel are selling a clone of the Pandora battery. You may even have been excited by their marketing information:

"Special TOOL version of our PSP battery works in exactly the same way as a standard SONY PSP battery but has the ability to put your PSP into service mode for custom firmware use."

You might have thought that this means that you no longer need a homebrew PSP to be able to get started with Pandora. Unfortunately, you'd be wrong. And Datel don't seem to be in any hurry to put you right.

This product is useful, in that it allows you to skip the step of needing a homebrew PSP to modify an existing battery. It even comes in a nice fire engine red colour, so you don't get it confused with your other batteries. And it's not a bad price. But you still need a homebrew PSP to create the files to place on the memory stick. Without the special memory stick, Pandora is useless. And no-one is able to legally give you the files required to prepare that stick without a homebrew PSP.

When you buy the TOOL battery, you get just the battery. No instructions, no indication that you even need a memory stick, let alone how to prepare it. Datel seem to be happy to let the buyer make the mistake of thinking this is all they need, and they don't even help you figure things out once you realise your mistake. I think that's pretty crappy, and relying on the community to do their customer support for them is rotten.

[brasssmunky]

ahahahaha
thats what they get..
umm... did they take the pandora stuff for this product? or is it their own?

[Exophase]

OR you could buy a USB memory stick interface for $3 + S&H off of eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Memory-Stick-MS-Pro-Pro-Duo-USB-2-0-Card-Reader-SOHO_W0QQitemZ110170410889QQihZ001QQcategoryZ51082 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Let's face it, if you don't already have a homebrew capable PSP and you don't know anyone who does, getting the battery from Datel is probably the cheapest and most straightforward way to fix the problem.

[Bobtentpeg]

Wow people are stupid, they need to use some common sense.

I had a kid on another forum yell at me for half an hour after i told him he had been screwede over and he needed a PSP that could run homebrew.


Buyer Beware anyone?

[mikebeaver]

OR you could buy a USB memory stick interface for $3 + S&H off of eBay.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Memory-Stick-MS-Pro-Pro-Duo-USB-2-0-Card-Reader-SOHO_W0QQitemZ110170410889QQihZ001QQcategoryZ51082 QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Let's face it, if you don't already have a homebrew capable PSP and you don't know anyone who does, getting the battery from Datel is probably the cheapest and most straightforward way to fix the problem.

But what Noobz are trying to say in this post is that you CANT get the memorystick files to run legally without having a homebrew PSP, datel DO NOT tell you anything about the product, they are just cashing in on the countless number of people who want to get their PSP playing homebrew.
this is a real bad publicity stunt for Datel to pull, I shall be avoiding ALL of their products in future.

Mike..

[Mick0204]

News from Noobz (http://www.noobz.eu/joomla/news/datel-tool-batteries---buyer-experiences.html)



You might have thought that this means that you no longer need a homebrew PSP to be able to get started with Pandora. Unfortunately, you'd be wrong.
.

Actually you can use this with one PSP on official FW. I did my official 3.52 with it.

To get the memory card, you need to download an easy installer called "Pandora's Box" by "Dudewarez"

Edit: Link removed

Any way it creates your Magic Mem Stick, all you do is follow the instructions on your PC.

Then just slap in your datel battery and your off.

Ive done a total of 4 PSPs (one slim) and it worked like a charm every time.

It even installs the files needed to install M33 3.52-4 (for a slim you have to copy in a couple of extra files)

[lamentofking]

But it still lets you put a psp into cfw use whether its slim or original right? and if you can use cfw, then you can use homebrew right? are you saying that you can use the datel tool battery to downgrade, but you cant downgrade it cause u need the mem stick files?

If you can use custom firmware with this, then whats the prob? If you put cfw on your psp, then you have a HEN'ed psp. So then you can create pandora right? When I first read that piece of news, I thought you guys were saying that you cant restore the psp if its bricked using just the tool, but now it seems like your saying that the downgradable methods that need the mem stick files wont work with teh tool battery. Someone please clarify. Im just confused right now.

[Mick0204]

But it still lets you put a psp into cfw use whether its slim or original right? - YES

and if you can use cfw, then you can use homebrew right? - YES

are you saying that you can use the datel tool battery to downgrade, but you cant downgrade it cause u need the mem stick files? - YES, to create the memory stick files you need EITHER a PSP with CFW OR the dudewarez thing above. The first one I did was on Sony 3.52 and I didnt have any PSPs with CFW at that point

So then you can create pandora right? - You dont need to create Pandora if you have the Datel Tool battery

I thought you guys were saying that you cant restore the psp if its bricked using just the tool - you still need the mem stick to unbrick I think

[MicroNut]

LOL!
Why would anyone expect anything more from Datel?
Short of an amazing new hack that surely would have made big news
How would Datel pull off this new PSP service mode trick?

@lamentofking
What is still so confusing about all this?
http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=514785#post514785

Mr.Dude has a better version of the Memory stick creator.
It includes the patch that doesn't require the nand-dump to be renamed.

It copies k-xploit and the 3.52-M33 update to the memstick as well.

Its a great lazy persons app for creating the Memory stick.
*removed link out of respect for DCEMU rules*

[ish420ism]

Fuk Datel and thier products. This is bullshit. Making money off team c+d and the noobz. DCEmu isn't datel's customer service page. If you bought from datel and need help, go look elsewhere

[goliath182]

Well I don't know why they named it the Tool battery. But DATEL are the real tools :)

[Zin0099]

want if i can really downgrade or update to cfw

[philage]

Well thats just a complete joke to be honest. Its obvious that Datel are just cashing in on other peoples work, and to make matters worse, they dont have thier own software so you then need other peoples work again to use the damn thing. Along with the no instructions and no support, it makes it an easy decision to never buy a datel product ever.

[cawley1]

Datel have been around for over 20 years, making stuff right back from the C64 to now - I don't know if they have ripped anybody's work off, but I doubt it - they have a factory in Scotland that specialises in reverse engineering consoles and they manufacture their own products there, so I doubt it is a carbon copy rip. Think of some of their other product lines, Freeloader, Action Replay etc. and see the hard work they put in - we are not talking about some HK rip shop!

[Art]

Well I don't know why they named it the Tool battery. But DATEL are the real tools :)
It's called the Tool because that's the name of the official PS2 development unit, which is pretty much a customised PC with a PS2 card in it.

Back on topic, Marketing the product is offensive in the first place,
let alone anything else.

[lamentofking]

But it still lets you put a psp into cfw use whether its slim or original right? - YES

and if you can use cfw, then you can use homebrew right? - YES

are you saying that you can use the datel tool battery to downgrade, but you cant downgrade it cause u need the mem stick files? - YES, to create the memory stick files you need EITHER a PSP with CFW OR the dudewarez thing above. The first one I did was on Sony 3.52 and I didnt have any PSPs with CFW at that point

So then you can create pandora right? - You dont need to create Pandora if you have the Datel Tool battery

I thought you guys were saying that you cant restore the psp if its bricked using just the tool - you still need the mem stick to unbrick I thinkoh thanks. Datel can't possibly be ripping anyone off. There are a lot of things that have thrid-parties. Its like food. If you ever had a pop-tart before from Kellogs then you've seen the other bootleg toaster pastries floating around. Even in hardware. There are different types of psp batteries. Even the new max power battery datel ahs for a lower price. Its still a battery just for a lower price. Does the same thing.

Datel isnt ripping anyone off. Its just marketing. team c+d cant be the only ones with a pandora battery you know.

[EvilDooinz]

well I knew this would happen. I used to like datel products, but this is like releaseing half of a project. or releasing a new device w/o drivers, it useless. save your selfs the money and order 1 from hong-kong and get some to convert it and make you a ms.

[MicroNut]

want if i can really downgrade or update to cfw
You already can.
N00bz! (http://www.noobz.eu/joomla/)


Datel have been around for over 20 years, making stuff right back from the C64 to now - I don't know if they have ripped anybody's work off, but I doubt it - they have a factory in Scotland that specialises in reverse engineering consoles and they manufacture their own products there, so I doubt it is a carbon copy rip. Think of some of their other product lines, Freeloader, Action Replay etc. and see the hard work they put in - we are not talking about some HK rip shop!
They Reversed Engineered this?
Hardly!
How hard can it be to manufacture batteries with all the same serial number? 0xffffffff
Read the article of the thread you have posted in.
PANDORA required to use the Datel TOOL!
Want to know how was it reversed engineered?
http://forums.maxconsole.net/showthread.php?t=77226&page=9


Datel isnt ripping anyone off. Its just marketing. team c+d cant be the only ones with a pandora battery you know.
Did you even read the article you are posting about?
Do you even understand what Pandora is?

[irishwhip]

i've always had a lot of respect for datel, ever since i bought an action replay cart back in the snes days. They always come up with some weird device that makes a stale console fun again.
but the release of this battery, just a week or so after noobz huge pandora release is a little too suspicious for my liking.

[Fanjita]

To get the memory card, you need to download an easy installer called "Pandora's Box" by "Dudewarez"

http://psp-news.dcemu.co.uk/pandora-s-battery-gui-released-72354.html


I'm surprised at that being hosted on dcemu, seeing as it contains modified, decrypted, copyrighted Sony files...

[EvilDooinz]

Thats what i thought. links to warez are not allowed. Now what about a pc tool that takes the update eboots and formats ms and installs files would that be possable? Or would we need some sort of psp emu to dyrypt the prx's?

[Briggzy11]

I am a fan of the Noobz work as it is brilliant and maybe what they have said is correct information, something for people to definately read...

...However I have been a fan of all of Datels work since the PS1 days of gaming & the gameboy days and I don't like too much badly said about them, there customer services in the past to me have been fantastic and they are a great company, I am unsure if the noobz have tested the product but if so I am sure Datel have given the user some help in getting custom firmware to work, they rarely suck when it comes to their products.

I will personally get my hands on this battery and test it on one of my fat psp's see what the outcome is and perhaps soon ill repost here my results or on a new topic.

Good news anyway, but calling Datel a rotten company is a bit too far...All I can see is a bit of a problem with the words on the packaging of this battery...I had a problem with 2 DS Cheat cards from Datel because of silly packaging words, gladly they were sorted by them after a short period of time...

[ExcruciationX]

I am a fan of the Noobz work as it is brilliant and maybe what they have said is correct information, something for people to definately read...

...However I have been a fan of all of Datels work since the PS1 days of gaming & the gameboy days and I don't like too much badly said about them, there customer services in the past to me have been fantastic and they are a great company, I am unsure if the noobz have tested the product but if so I am sure Datel have given the user some help in getting custom firmware to work, they rarely suck when it comes to their products.

I will personally get my hands on this battery and test it on one of my fat psp's see what the outcome is and perhaps soon ill repost here my results or on a new topic.

Good news anyway, but calling Datel a rotten company is a bit too far...All I can see is a bit of a problem with the words on the packaging of this battery...I had a problem with 2 DS Cheat cards from Datel because of silly packaging words, gladly they were sorted by them after a short period of time...
Hey Briggzy! How have you been? :)

Back on topic- I agree with Fanjita, they should take down that link and say look for it on google.

[sadako]

It is expected. Either they did it themselves or ripped it from team C+D. I guess they've proved most of us....right.

[Art]

As if they discovered it themselves when it was released
almost straight after Pandora.
All there is to discover is that when a PSP battery has a serial of all FFh bytes,
it is a Pandora battery.

Since they already make PSP batteries, it was easy for them to make once they knew how,
but THEY did not discover the how.

[Fanjita]

I am sure Datel have given the user some help in getting custom firmware to work, they rarely suck when it comes to their products.


And yet if you read the forum thread linked from the original article at www.noobz.eu, you can see that people have been having problems, and have been left out in the cold by Datel.

I deliberately refrained from making much comment about this battery until I'd heard some genuine user reports. Everything I've heard so far points to a lot of people having been misled by the advertising (it's not completely false, it's just too ambiguous), and then having been ignored by Datel when they've needed some support.

[Mick0204]

I'm surprised at that being hosted on dcemu, seeing as it contains modified, decrypted, copyrighted Sony files...

I edited out the link. I just assumed it would be to link as it was from dcemu.

I just wanted to point out really that it is possible to downgrade w/out CFW and the datel battery, to offer some hope to people who've bought it and feel screwed over.

Oh, whoever said they were going to buy it and see what it does for themselves, it does exactly the same as a pandora. When you put it in the psp goes to service mode, which is just a blank black screen and powerlight goes to green. Then you put in the magic mem stick and that process is also exactly the same as pandora. Hope that saves you some money.