Speculation over - the CFW Leak is Hurting Future Developments

[wraggster]

Brakken posted on his Tehskeen Website about the harm to the PSP Scene that the recent souce leaks have done and the fact that Sony of all people have the source to the Custom Firmwares.,

Heres the news article in full from Brakken (http://www.tehskeen.com/), post your comments after reading it:


Why is it not a good idea to screw with a group of Russian Hackers? Well, for one everyone including Eskimos receiving their Internet connection from Wifi routers mounted to polar bears will find out who you are and where you live. Another reason is the fact that stealing and releasing source code for a custom firmware that Sony doesn't want running on their hardware only helps them deterrent future releases.


Sure, there was a lot of speculation that the release wouldn't assist Sony in preventing the release of future versions, but this was only speculation and was and now is proven wrong. With the code in Sony's hands they have an arsenal to combat current and future firmwares. Look at it from this perspective - Sony has all of the information they need to combat this situation as they have the code, but Team M33 and others do not have Sony's own firmware code.

Sure, Sony could use skilled professionals to break down the custom firmwares from scratch, but now they do not need to spend a lot of money and resources in reverse engineering anything and have a heads up on PSP hackers. Unlike Sony, Team M33 and others have no way to know how their firmwares are going to be attacked - Sony could fill their original firmware with so many trap doors it could take weeks, if not months for various teams to get past them which will take valuable time away from improving their own firmwares.

I'm writing this article in response to a press release Team M33 published on their website that brings up some of these points and more.

"This intrusion into one of the basis of the actual PSP Scene, has just made harm to the entire world of the PSP Scene. Therefore, Sony saw this and made some interesting changes in some modules (mainly loadcore), plus the change of some nids that are used to the development of M33 Custom Firmware."

As stated, you can clearly see that the people who think the leak of the custom firmware was a good thing for the "scene" are not only moronic, but have little to no clue of what it takes to develop a firmware. The speculation was wrong. With the firmware source code in Sony's hands it's going the Sony PSP scene is suffering.

"This changes won't probably last too long and won't be an important problem, but it's just, as we have just said, another resultant of trying to be someone on this world by stealing and leaking instead of studying."

Of course, they are speaking of Mr. Serafin and the websites Maxconsole and PS3NEWS who assisted in the leak. Too bad the people who were involved in the leak trusted Maxconsole as a trustworthy place to conduct their business at.

"... result is this delay on the development of the new versions."

Again, there is proof Team M33 won't be releasing any new firmware versions any time soon due to the leak.

So in the end this turn of events goes to solidify my point that these so called "scene" sites are not helping developments, but are only feeding off of talented developers work to promote their money hungry agendas.

Your Views via Comments

[tvrstl]

sorry, too much to read, so i'll just ask the question even if it's written there; Who is responsible for the leak?


This is actually bloody bad:S

[camcorderdoctor]

Well people - this is a disgrace toward everything about CFW - I have been using custom firmwares since the beginning of Dark Alex (Only had a brick one time and just recently was able to unbrick with Pandora's Battery). I as well as ALL of you who have and use custom firmwares, owe a whole lot to these people who developed these tools. What a shame that some people have to be DICKS about the whole thing. I am thoroughly outraged and disappointed in that people can be so crude and/or crule in this world. What a sad day this is! :-(

[stevo11185]

sorry, too much to read, so i'll just ask the question even if it's written there; Who is responsible for the leak?


This is actually bloody bad:S

Of course, they are speaking of Mr. Serafin and the websites Maxconsole and PS3NEWS who assisted in the leak. Too bad the people who were involved in the leak trusted Maxconsole as a trustworthy place to conduct their business at.

[SpooForBrains]

Was this written by a 12 year old?

[hacksparrow]

Was this written by a 12 year old?

that's wot i thought. it has some merits, but just some. the rest is yammerin

[matt3224]

i have never felt more strongly about a comment in association with PSP this comment syas it all and the writer has a very good commitment to the scene and people who help keep it alive.
To all those guys ( and girls ) who deliver all this awesome stuff keep it up !!! :thumbup:

[XioN980]

you see brakken used to have an unbiased site similar to dcemu, but now its a blogg he can offer an opinion, and you can't say he's wrong because its written like a good essay:

Statement
Evidence
Analysis
Link back to statement in conclusion

I love the DS Scene, very rarely do we get complicatuins like this :D

[jmendes]

These people who leaked the sources are a pile of excrement. I hope m33 and other teams dont get any more discouraged to continue work on cfw, they do a great job.

[watupgroupie]

Was this written by a 12 year old?

What do you mean written by a 12 year old(yes i realize some of his accuzations are a bit crazy like dark alex working for diveno and people trying to get money is a bad thing but you have to in this day and age)? This was a great way to clear some things up for the idiots out there who still think maxconsole and ps3news are trusted sites. There NOT and if your there your only contributing to the problem by making there site bigger or as strong as it already is. We need to take these sites down so we can stop having these rediculous wars between ourselves. It's like in a war movie where the allies(psp homebrew scene) are always fighting so the enemy's (sony) quickly prevail because we can't sort out our problems.

[carlitx]

I hate people who leak stuff without permission...unless it benefits me of course XD, but cause no reverse effects on something i like, in this case PSP and CFW.

[Shiesty]

bunch of nerds mad at other nerds because of nerd stuff preventing them from doing other nerd stuff

a sad sad day for the psp scene

[ish420ism]

Again, there is proof Team M33 won't be releasing any new firmware versions any time soon due to the leak.

So in the end this turn of events goes to solidify my point that these so called "scene" sites are not helping developments, but are only feeding off of talented developers work to promote their money hungry agendas. [/INDENT]

Your Views via Comments

So who is a trusted scene site. DCEmu?? I would like to say yes, but I'm sure there is enough people on this site that would cause propblems if they had access to source codes as any other site out there has. I still love DCEmu but it's discouraging to know that if sites like maxconsole and ps3craps can be infultrated, then this site can be too. I truly hope these great teams will not be discouraged in releasing more great apps, that give us more freedoms with our consoles.
Pardon my grammar. I'm from the hood

[Basil Zero]

you see brakken used to have an unbiased site similar to dcemu, but now its a blogg he can offer an opinion, and you can't say he's wrong because its written like a good essay:

Statement
Evidence
Analysis
Link back to statement in conclusion

I love the DS Scene, very rarely do we get complicatuins like this :D

Its surprising that the DS Scene may not be getting any "complicatuins", but its not surprising since the DS Scene hasnt released anything worthy enough such as the customfirmware for psp:thumbup: :rofl:

[sadako]

To those who have discouraged our honourable Coders and harmed our humble scene with leakage.

May you burn in HELL.

[VampDude]

Of course, they are speaking of Mr. Serafin and the websites Maxconsole and PS3NEWS who assisted in the leak. Too bad the people who were involved in the leak trusted Maxconsole as a trustworthy place to conduct their business at.

Mr.Serafin has been in PSP news quite a bit thisweek with the all the custom firmware issues at hand.

[Johnny Rash]

I can only hope M33 stays. This is most definitely not good news. No one but a couple dude in a Sony building are happy about it...

But, I own a 12 gauge and I have a car.
Anyone know where he/she lives?
It's time I gave back to the homebrew community for the time of FFVII in my pocket.

[urherenow]

There NOT and if your there your only contributing to the problem by making there site bigger or as strong as it already is.

I'm not trying to be a dick here but it shouldn't take me 10 minutes to read your comment. It should read:

They're NOT and if you're there, you're only contributing to the problem by making thier site bigger or as strong as it already is.

[Bestwick]

Had a good old chuckle when I read the article.

1) The author is clearly ignorant and out of his depth with regards to understanding anything code related or even indeed how to make a coherent argument.

2) Sony is fully aware of what is being exploited in their firmware code...they do not need the cfw source code to fix it, just time, effort and perhaps the want to actually do it. After all, we all know the PSP sells due to its exploitability.

bunch of nerds mad at other nerds because of nerd stuff preventing them from doing other nerd stuff
3) Quite right. The M33 guys believe they have exclusive rights to the source code and are now upset that others might steal their thunder.

4) M33 is helping to keep the scene alive with their own firmware, BUT are clearly in it for the glory. If their priority was to serve the community the issue with their "bricking" firmware would never had occurred since nobody in it for noble reasons would try to punish those not involved in their silly little war.

Wake up people, stop kissing M33's ass and playing into their hands by believing their/and their mates' claims. Yes, they have taken Dark_Alex's firmware and improved it. Yes, it is the best cfw available, BUT does this exempt them from being criticized? Clearly some of you believe this to be the case.

[blakey87_1]

I smell a maxbot lol

[Murdock]

Had a good old chuckle when I read the article.

1) The author is clearly ignorant and out of his depth with regards to understanding anything code related or even indeed how to make a coherent argument.

2) Sony is fully aware of what is being exploited in their firmware code...they do not need the cfw source code to fix it, just time, effort and perhaps the want to actually do it. After all, we all know the PSP sells due to its exploitability.

3) Quite right. The M33 guys believe they have exclusive rights to the source code and are now upset that others might steal their thunder.

4) M33 is helping to keep the scene alive with their own firmware, BUT are clearly in it for the glory. If their priority was to serve the community the issue with their "bricking" firmware would never had occurred since nobody in it for noble reasons would try to punish those not involved in their silly little war.

Wake up people, stop kissing M33's ass and playing into their hands by believing their/and their mates' claims. Yes, they have taken Dark_Alex's firmware and improved it. Yes, it is the best cfw available, BUT does this exempt them from being criticized? Clearly some of you believe this to be the case.

While I was reading the initial comment on what was going on concerning CFWs and "leaked" source code of M33's releases PLUS the previous statements of M33, I thought exactly the same as you!

1. It is entire bullshit to believe that $ony does not know how the CFWs modify their Firmware to do what they do (e.g. loading ISOs, enabling homebrew to run on 3.xx firmwares, etc.). They know well how the hobby coders in the scene do that ... kids, these ppl. have employees who coded the firmwares and the PSP firmwares were most likely NOT they first job as coders ... d'oh! ... these guys getting money for making firmwares are no rookies ... and it's just dumb and illaterate to believe $ony needs the source code to reconstruct and comprehend how the "teams" (e.g. M33 and Wildcard) built the CFWs.

2. Every single time you folks cry like babies about the leak of the code you are only bringing up ONCE AGAIN a painful subject and add insult to injury! STOP IT, it's retarded and you're just making urself a fool. It's easy to kick someone lying on the floor!

3. the propaganda M33 is spreading about the source code leak being the reason for a possible delay of a release is crap. Anyone having one's head on straight should be able to know that major changes in the official firmware have to be understood by the CFW coders. Since $ony obviously has made some major changes, for WHATEVER REASON, they need time to get another CFW together. But this ain't nothing to do with the leak ... reason: look at point 1!

4. the reason why M33 seems to claim that the reason is the leak is unknown to me ... I can only guess, like Bestwick, that their huge success made them a little snotty. I mean of course they have achieved a lot, but folks ... don't forget that THEY also had a little help from Dark Alex, who gave them his code ... so ... "He That Is Without Sin Among You, Let Him First Cast a Stone" or maybe bettter: "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones". They have at least partially built up on other ppl.'s work, too ... Of course with permission, but hey, that's just another topic. That's about morality. And don't talk about morality in our today's world ... u know it's rediculous!

[specialist83]

i guess u muz be feeling really excited while typing out your tots...which to me is rather pointless other than hurting the homebrew scene even more...why not try to type sth to at least make this a better day?

anyway it's juz a casual remark...dun take it too seriously...

[Buddy4point0]

this is terrible, i wasnt even aware it was leaked.
now that sony has the code it might take a while to hack. guess we just gotta think of some new ways to hit it.

[cal360]

I was also unaware of the leak. This is bad for us and the idiots that released the leaked source should think over what they've done as this may cause a crisis in the scene if we can no longer update to embrace the new changes of the firmwares.

[Sonicboy 101]

Maxconsole
I knew it.
I hope all the leakers are aware of what they have done.
Idiots.

[jools]

why is everyone making such a fuss over somthing so small?:confused:

[cal360]

why is everyone making such a fuss over somthing so small?:confused:

It's not a small thing as sony has something to use against us now!!

[jools]

but they don't really need to know the cf's code to rebuild there own firmware :S

[Murdock]

It's not a small thing as sony has something to use against us now!!

They don'T have more than they had before ... they are able to recapitulate how the CFWs were done already before the source was leaked. It is correct that this "release" of the source code was wrong, but it did not benefit $ony ... why don't u folks get that?!
Maybe it made their work even easier, I might acknowledge that, because now their have the uncompiled code, but it's just ignorant to believe the originl "builder" of a software should be unable to understand the manipulation of his product. :rolleyes:

I mean if some hobby coders can make CFWs, then $ony employed coders can EASYLY figure out the changes done by the CFW coders ... it's rediculous to claim this is a "bad day for homebrew" ... the only thing that was hurt was the ego of the hobby coders ... and now they are threatening you not to release any more CFWs ... and u just buy their words.
Of course it'd be very bad if M33, Wildcard and other teams would stop working on CFWs ... but it is their choice ... and since M33 is now famous for their very well done CFW, they just won'T stop ...


i guess u muz be feeling really excited while typing out your tots...which to me is rather pointless other than hurting the homebrew scene even more...why not try to type sth to at least make this a better day?


:rofl: sorry, but how exactly do I hurt the homebrew scene with my opinion? I think your claim is pointless ... it lacks reason! I certainly explained how I see things ... and I don't seem to be alone with my opinion ... so sorry, but you made my day better by typing nonsense -> amuses me :rofl: :thumbup:

[Bestwick]

I mean if some hobby coders can make CFWs, then $ony employed coders can EASYLY figure out the changes done by the CFW coders ... it's rediculous to claim this is a "bad day for homebrew" ... the only thing that was hurt was the ego of the hobby coders ... and now they are threatening you not to release any more CFWs ... and u just buy their words.

I would go so far as to say that Sony likely waited for the launch of the new PSP to bring out a firmware with any significant homebrew combating changes made.

The M33 guys, although able to add certain features to Dark_Alex's cfw, may not possess the coding skill/understanding of the core features of the firmware and thus may be unable to get around the changes due to this lack. Hence the excuses.

If you know anything about coding you'll know that it is quite easy to build onto somebody's code without a full understanding of the original code. e.g. The Quake3 source...how many huge changes have you seen in engines using it's source as a base? Not many I would assume, more likely just updates to the 3d engine.

I'm not saying that this is the case, but when you're presented with excuses that just don't add up you need to think for yourself and not put people on some sort of pedestal. I hope they are able to overcome the new changes and keep things going as far as new cfw releases go.

[Murdock]

The M33 guys, although able to add certain features to Dark_Alex's cfw, may not possess the coding skill/understanding of the core features of the firmware and thus may be unable to get around the changes due to this lack. Hence the excuses.




I agree with you in the point that building up on a code you are not able to understand entirely is truely possible and done many times.

But eventhough I don't like what M33 has been saying in the past, I still think that they are a group of talented coders.
Therefore I doubt that they just built up on Dark Alex' code. I think they analyzed it and pretty much understood it. What I tried to say was just that they may have not released it so fast w/o the source code and if they hadn't had it, they might have had much more error in their product. Hence, they profited from other's work, too. So I don't see why they make such senseless claims and talk so much about a topic of little importance for the scene. It affects the scene, IF M33 stops releasing stuff because they felt betrayed or robbed or whatever ... but the theft has nothing to do with the scene itself. It's like Tiger Woods would stop playing golf because s/o has stolen his golf clubs ... :o ... or Bill Gates would stop releasing new Windows Versions because we are d/l'ing every new version from the internet instead of buying it ... muahhahahha :rofl:

I think u guys are getting my point ... and face it: Even if one of those teams would really stop releasing new versions ... there's always s/o in the dark world wide web out there hungry for fame and eager to step in the foot steps of anotherone.

And because M33 knows this and because they also know WHO might be their successors, they just won't stop ...

I am just amused that ppl. really believe what these guys are telling them! Come on, it's stupid to believe every single word of a group of ppl. you don't even know, just because they have made a usefull tool for you. U guys were never so damn stupid in your real life. I bet half of you kiddies out there don't buy any word of your parents ... your family. And here in the world wide web, u swallow the shit a stranger is talking without questioning one word of it?! ... you can't be serious about that! :rolleyes: