Cross
July 13th, 2005, 20:38
Ok, guys I want to know how you feel here. This is the situation. It seems a member and myself are not getting along/seeing eye to eye. I feel he is acting in a way that hinders the forum and he feel’s differently as the PM’s will show. This all started in the WinPSP Forums and a few already know how it went. I am copying and pasting everything here.
My main goal is to either shed light on mine or his wrong doings here so that either;
A) If he is what I feel he is, I think we should all know as I feel him to be a determent to the Forums for the actions he takes and the way he treats Forum members.
B) I am way out there and am Wrong, and if so I want to make sure to understand and not make the same mistake again.
This is everything. Also I want those to know I am not trying to clog up the forums, I have reported posts and PM’d Admins asking to post this, there were no objections and they will be reviewing it to. I do not want to distract or pull from this community as I honestly feel that unlike other forums, this one seems to be a close group and it does not just move on to the next great thing and leave something else behind. It covers them all and its an amazing place.
Here goes:
First this is where it all started. It’s a few pages to read but it gives the back ground and I do not want to pull the whole copy and paste a few pages of a thread.
http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7402&page=5&pp=10 I did not really reply to Parabolee until page 7 I think. But it started with the comment made on Page 5.
Now after this I got the following PM which I reported (I reported them all so we can address this now for the last time).
Dude why are you being an assole?
I appologised for my mistake but nah you gotta continue to attack me!
I did listen and I clarified what I had said and done AND appologised for my mistake. But you gotta be mister smart ass attack people to make yourself feel like a big shot. And the irony is that you were the one who posted about keeping the discussion civil.
Get off your high horse for a minute and look at your own mistakes. I applogised and you continued to attack me. Sure I was sarcastic, my bad. But I did appologise WITHOUT sarcasm several times. I was the better person in this. Why you couldn't be like, "ok thats cool just wanted to point out it has been covered, didn't mean to offend. It's all cool." Instead of continuing your chilidish play ground attacks on me.
Dude your posting on a message board discussion, just because someone missed part of a post or two doesn't make you mister moral authority and give you the right to start flaming them, people like you make message boards a pain. Flamers and wannabe 1337 are much worst than so called newbies who dont know all the 1337 rules yet and post a no no before they read the 10 page "rulez". I know this is not what happened here but you are just the type of person who does that, arn't you?
I tried to end this peacfully but you insinst on attacking me on the board. I even didn't reply to the request to keep the discussion in PM's because I thougth he was right, but you had to didn't you? You had to have one last dig. And to that I am sorry to have to call you a assole.
To which I responded:
So by being mature and calling me a wanna be, (I have been on online communities for years, I sell laptops, enjoy community events, contribute and make sure to educate myself before sticking my nose into things and you just jump in, disregard ppl and now ur pming me being an ass trying to morally up yourself for making a mistake?
Maybe you should try not starting off with Sarcasm? Maybe you should take a long look in the mirror and realize that everyone is not here to understand you and your problems, we all work together for a mutual goal and while we may not always see eye to eye we realize this and make sure to educate ourselves before making inaccurate posts.
Then to top it off you decided that you needed to tell those who tried to warn you BEFORE you posted the link, that hey we know about that its something else entirely you need to read the whole thread before posting in this case. You got mad at the person giving you that advice. AND you went ahead and did it anyway. Where do you feel that you should not be scolded for doing something to annoy the rest of us? We were nice, told you to check up before [posting and you were a smart ass with us and they you decided to be sarcastic when we returned the favor, yeah we really want to listen to you or believe you then? Since when did Sarcasm make people say, hey I want to pay atten to this person acting like he is apologizing by being Sarcastic and rude? Sorry I personally get turned off by someone who is sarcastic to me esp. when he should have been apologizing to everyone esp MSX and he completely misses the point, not to mention he missed the point the whole thread, I will outline them for you:
1) Did not listen to friendly advice, and got upset with those giving it. (Did you think they were lying to you? or just feel like you had the right to say F-You I know what I am doing I don't need you telling me anything?)
2) You missed a plan example showing how bad it was to make a post without getting all the information. (Aka the its as bad as asking for ROM's statement). You completely missed the point there, I think thats clear.
3) You were sarcastic with those who got upset with you and then expected them to see an heart felt apology after you were a rude jerk? I'm sorry but if someone is a rude jerk to you more then once don't you tend to stop paying as close atten to them, not to mention stop giving any credit to anything they say?
4) You decided that after you were rude and made a mistake that you should have a right to be upset with those who tried to show you the light and stop you from making a mistake? I'm sorry but do you ask the Police Officer to give you an apology after he gives you a speeding ticket just because you felt he should for getting mad at you for breaking the law that you already knew about? Arrogance is the only way to sum that up.
Now in regards to your I follow the rules, hmm lets see because I am annoyed with ppl who do not pay atten to the facts, who bring up old stated information esp when someone warns them and they they are a Jerk? they believe themselves to be so right and better then everyone else that they have to assure themselves of this and to do so must attack others. You forget that you started your post in that thread by attacking MSX and not reading the full post, then you attacked those who tried to give you information then you attacked me and then you decided to write me and attack me in a PM all to justify an action that was WRONG and completely stupid. If you had just taken your licks, (Gee was it so bad for ppl to get mad at you for not listening> Esp when they tried to help you and you were rude to them). I am not someone who posts NO-NO to anyone because they do not follow a rule, I try to help anyone but someone who can not act maturely and understand that this is a community and not High School, there is no cool crowd or jocks, or preps its just ppl sharing with each other working together towards a common goal and helping each other. There are those who cause problems, those who post fake information but what you do not realize is that you do not have to Troll someone or post fake information to be a hindrance to a forum. You just have to think that you have to make a status for yourself in a forum. If someone has a status in a forum it is given to them by others and its not something they work to maintain its just there because of how they act and what they do. Since you feel the need to tell me what your impression of me is and how mature and grown up you feel I am sorry but I feel the need to let you know that you are no different then someone who posts a fake finding, your the same mentality, your someone out to cause ripples and make things unpleasant if they do not suit you or should the opportunity arise to promote yourself. This is not about you and no forum is every about singular presences. ---Continued on Page 2--->
we look up to those who can do things we can't, we enjoy topics about things that are why we are here (aka the PSP and many other Game systems in there appropriate sections) Not to mention the furthermost of development and break throughs. You feel that this is some eye for an eye arena and that someone should get a second chance when they repeat the same actions and then when someone says, hey damit we warned you, you got mad at us and did it anyway then we proved it to you and got after you for it so instead of apologizing correctly off the bat you became sarcastic like a teenager to his parents thinking he knows everything, only to then SAY he apologizes but after all that how are we to believe him not to mention that all along this little trip he has missed most every point that has been shown to him.
Now how do you end something peacefully by sending this PM? Hmm sounds again like you missed the point and completely contradicted yourself (incase you missed it you did that to yourself to). But i have some more good news for you, since you were such a Jerk and you went out of your way to piss me off, get me worked up and make me upset at you instead of your actions I am going to do something to you. I have reported you to the admins for breaking rules and for being a determent to the group. I hoe you enjoyed it here, I wish you could have grown up and realized that this was not about you and you messed up and were nothing but sarcastic and rude but instead you just pushed and pushed until those here who help most everyone and even those they tend to say Hey now I pointed it out to you and your completely not reading threads or paying atten. Say hey your right and they see that were not mad at them directly, we will forget it after this and things are fine, we will not be mad at them and quite frankly we may enjoy conversations with them later on or right away. Instead.. forget it I am talking to someone who will not listen and as I said it is pointless to do so. Its been a pleasure and hopefully next time around things will not be the same as they were this time. I hope you see the differences and how things really should be.
Oh on the final note, I don't have to leave you with a label, you have given yourself one. Heres another free line for you, I once knew a gentleman who had to tell everyone he was a "Man's Man". Its not that he was a bad guy he just could not express himself correctly. What he did not realize was that by trying to tell ppl what he was and acting the way he did because he felt he needed to support that, he made ppl mad and did not have many ppl around who enjoyed him. His business ventures suffered when they dealt with others in a customer service environment and he did not understand why. What he did not understand was that he did not need to tell others he was a Man's Man because no one cared and they only took it the wrong way but honestly a good man and a good person is seen by others through that person's actions and if his actions held true to that they would have already known what he was, instead they realized that to them he was something else, far off from a Man's Man.
I got a response of:
Dude I don't have time to read a two page essay on your bullshit. I just don't have tme right now, I have a job.
The only part I bothered top read is the crap about your qualifications.
Dude I don't care, you sell laptops, big deal. I work as an IT technician and web designer onling with running my own web comic, so what does that prove? Nothing.
I wsn't calling you a wannabe, I was critisizing your attack on me for accidently missing a peice of information, and then your continued attack after I appologised (You even had to make a snide comment after I made a post trying to be as civil as possible and appologise for my part and ask you for an appology too, just so we could put an end to the childish bickering).
Yes I did it with sarcasm first because I was angry at your ignorant and arogant attack. But I honestly appologised after, I was angry and offended at your attitude of being so superior just because I missed that that post had been discussed, and as far as I can see that thread is still debated as far as the validity of the so called Win PSP.
I could care less if Win PSP is real. I just thought you were being an assole for no reason.
So again, I appologise for my mistake. Why don't you be a big man now and just appologise for yours and we'll move on with our lives?
My main goal is to either shed light on mine or his wrong doings here so that either;
A) If he is what I feel he is, I think we should all know as I feel him to be a determent to the Forums for the actions he takes and the way he treats Forum members.
B) I am way out there and am Wrong, and if so I want to make sure to understand and not make the same mistake again.
This is everything. Also I want those to know I am not trying to clog up the forums, I have reported posts and PM’d Admins asking to post this, there were no objections and they will be reviewing it to. I do not want to distract or pull from this community as I honestly feel that unlike other forums, this one seems to be a close group and it does not just move on to the next great thing and leave something else behind. It covers them all and its an amazing place.
Here goes:
First this is where it all started. It’s a few pages to read but it gives the back ground and I do not want to pull the whole copy and paste a few pages of a thread.
http://www.dcemu.co.uk/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=7402&page=5&pp=10 I did not really reply to Parabolee until page 7 I think. But it started with the comment made on Page 5.
Now after this I got the following PM which I reported (I reported them all so we can address this now for the last time).
Dude why are you being an assole?
I appologised for my mistake but nah you gotta continue to attack me!
I did listen and I clarified what I had said and done AND appologised for my mistake. But you gotta be mister smart ass attack people to make yourself feel like a big shot. And the irony is that you were the one who posted about keeping the discussion civil.
Get off your high horse for a minute and look at your own mistakes. I applogised and you continued to attack me. Sure I was sarcastic, my bad. But I did appologise WITHOUT sarcasm several times. I was the better person in this. Why you couldn't be like, "ok thats cool just wanted to point out it has been covered, didn't mean to offend. It's all cool." Instead of continuing your chilidish play ground attacks on me.
Dude your posting on a message board discussion, just because someone missed part of a post or two doesn't make you mister moral authority and give you the right to start flaming them, people like you make message boards a pain. Flamers and wannabe 1337 are much worst than so called newbies who dont know all the 1337 rules yet and post a no no before they read the 10 page "rulez". I know this is not what happened here but you are just the type of person who does that, arn't you?
I tried to end this peacfully but you insinst on attacking me on the board. I even didn't reply to the request to keep the discussion in PM's because I thougth he was right, but you had to didn't you? You had to have one last dig. And to that I am sorry to have to call you a assole.
To which I responded:
So by being mature and calling me a wanna be, (I have been on online communities for years, I sell laptops, enjoy community events, contribute and make sure to educate myself before sticking my nose into things and you just jump in, disregard ppl and now ur pming me being an ass trying to morally up yourself for making a mistake?
Maybe you should try not starting off with Sarcasm? Maybe you should take a long look in the mirror and realize that everyone is not here to understand you and your problems, we all work together for a mutual goal and while we may not always see eye to eye we realize this and make sure to educate ourselves before making inaccurate posts.
Then to top it off you decided that you needed to tell those who tried to warn you BEFORE you posted the link, that hey we know about that its something else entirely you need to read the whole thread before posting in this case. You got mad at the person giving you that advice. AND you went ahead and did it anyway. Where do you feel that you should not be scolded for doing something to annoy the rest of us? We were nice, told you to check up before [posting and you were a smart ass with us and they you decided to be sarcastic when we returned the favor, yeah we really want to listen to you or believe you then? Since when did Sarcasm make people say, hey I want to pay atten to this person acting like he is apologizing by being Sarcastic and rude? Sorry I personally get turned off by someone who is sarcastic to me esp. when he should have been apologizing to everyone esp MSX and he completely misses the point, not to mention he missed the point the whole thread, I will outline them for you:
1) Did not listen to friendly advice, and got upset with those giving it. (Did you think they were lying to you? or just feel like you had the right to say F-You I know what I am doing I don't need you telling me anything?)
2) You missed a plan example showing how bad it was to make a post without getting all the information. (Aka the its as bad as asking for ROM's statement). You completely missed the point there, I think thats clear.
3) You were sarcastic with those who got upset with you and then expected them to see an heart felt apology after you were a rude jerk? I'm sorry but if someone is a rude jerk to you more then once don't you tend to stop paying as close atten to them, not to mention stop giving any credit to anything they say?
4) You decided that after you were rude and made a mistake that you should have a right to be upset with those who tried to show you the light and stop you from making a mistake? I'm sorry but do you ask the Police Officer to give you an apology after he gives you a speeding ticket just because you felt he should for getting mad at you for breaking the law that you already knew about? Arrogance is the only way to sum that up.
Now in regards to your I follow the rules, hmm lets see because I am annoyed with ppl who do not pay atten to the facts, who bring up old stated information esp when someone warns them and they they are a Jerk? they believe themselves to be so right and better then everyone else that they have to assure themselves of this and to do so must attack others. You forget that you started your post in that thread by attacking MSX and not reading the full post, then you attacked those who tried to give you information then you attacked me and then you decided to write me and attack me in a PM all to justify an action that was WRONG and completely stupid. If you had just taken your licks, (Gee was it so bad for ppl to get mad at you for not listening> Esp when they tried to help you and you were rude to them). I am not someone who posts NO-NO to anyone because they do not follow a rule, I try to help anyone but someone who can not act maturely and understand that this is a community and not High School, there is no cool crowd or jocks, or preps its just ppl sharing with each other working together towards a common goal and helping each other. There are those who cause problems, those who post fake information but what you do not realize is that you do not have to Troll someone or post fake information to be a hindrance to a forum. You just have to think that you have to make a status for yourself in a forum. If someone has a status in a forum it is given to them by others and its not something they work to maintain its just there because of how they act and what they do. Since you feel the need to tell me what your impression of me is and how mature and grown up you feel I am sorry but I feel the need to let you know that you are no different then someone who posts a fake finding, your the same mentality, your someone out to cause ripples and make things unpleasant if they do not suit you or should the opportunity arise to promote yourself. This is not about you and no forum is every about singular presences. ---Continued on Page 2--->
we look up to those who can do things we can't, we enjoy topics about things that are why we are here (aka the PSP and many other Game systems in there appropriate sections) Not to mention the furthermost of development and break throughs. You feel that this is some eye for an eye arena and that someone should get a second chance when they repeat the same actions and then when someone says, hey damit we warned you, you got mad at us and did it anyway then we proved it to you and got after you for it so instead of apologizing correctly off the bat you became sarcastic like a teenager to his parents thinking he knows everything, only to then SAY he apologizes but after all that how are we to believe him not to mention that all along this little trip he has missed most every point that has been shown to him.
Now how do you end something peacefully by sending this PM? Hmm sounds again like you missed the point and completely contradicted yourself (incase you missed it you did that to yourself to). But i have some more good news for you, since you were such a Jerk and you went out of your way to piss me off, get me worked up and make me upset at you instead of your actions I am going to do something to you. I have reported you to the admins for breaking rules and for being a determent to the group. I hoe you enjoyed it here, I wish you could have grown up and realized that this was not about you and you messed up and were nothing but sarcastic and rude but instead you just pushed and pushed until those here who help most everyone and even those they tend to say Hey now I pointed it out to you and your completely not reading threads or paying atten. Say hey your right and they see that were not mad at them directly, we will forget it after this and things are fine, we will not be mad at them and quite frankly we may enjoy conversations with them later on or right away. Instead.. forget it I am talking to someone who will not listen and as I said it is pointless to do so. Its been a pleasure and hopefully next time around things will not be the same as they were this time. I hope you see the differences and how things really should be.
Oh on the final note, I don't have to leave you with a label, you have given yourself one. Heres another free line for you, I once knew a gentleman who had to tell everyone he was a "Man's Man". Its not that he was a bad guy he just could not express himself correctly. What he did not realize was that by trying to tell ppl what he was and acting the way he did because he felt he needed to support that, he made ppl mad and did not have many ppl around who enjoyed him. His business ventures suffered when they dealt with others in a customer service environment and he did not understand why. What he did not understand was that he did not need to tell others he was a Man's Man because no one cared and they only took it the wrong way but honestly a good man and a good person is seen by others through that person's actions and if his actions held true to that they would have already known what he was, instead they realized that to them he was something else, far off from a Man's Man.
I got a response of:
Dude I don't have time to read a two page essay on your bullshit. I just don't have tme right now, I have a job.
The only part I bothered top read is the crap about your qualifications.
Dude I don't care, you sell laptops, big deal. I work as an IT technician and web designer onling with running my own web comic, so what does that prove? Nothing.
I wsn't calling you a wannabe, I was critisizing your attack on me for accidently missing a peice of information, and then your continued attack after I appologised (You even had to make a snide comment after I made a post trying to be as civil as possible and appologise for my part and ask you for an appology too, just so we could put an end to the childish bickering).
Yes I did it with sarcasm first because I was angry at your ignorant and arogant attack. But I honestly appologised after, I was angry and offended at your attitude of being so superior just because I missed that that post had been discussed, and as far as I can see that thread is still debated as far as the validity of the so called Win PSP.
I could care less if Win PSP is real. I just thought you were being an assole for no reason.
So again, I appologise for my mistake. Why don't you be a big man now and just appologise for yours and we'll move on with our lives?