Have You Noticed.

"Now if someone is trying to charge money for that which should be free... "

truly disgusting, psp umd emulation is illegal for a reason, it shouldnt be free you worthless waste of mass

i think you would be amazed at how much time and effort is put into making a game, just paying the employees for the 1-4 years it takes (varying by game rpgs can take up to 4 1/2 years to complete) costs millions to companies

though i wouldnt waste the time explaining to someone with such little brain activity as you


the reason things cost money is because retards like you will abuse them, its been proven and beaten with a stick since history began

if sony just let iso's go w/o firmware updates we would never play games

its amazing how stupid your logic is, you bought a few umds... BIG WHOOP for every one person who buys, 3 download for free

all i can say is, if supporters of piracy are so sure its ok, then you can make your own games, shoot your own movies and play your own music,

i would love to see how fast you change your mind if media suddenly stopped

look at the big picture, not $40 or $20 on a few umds.. i'm talking 100's of millions of dollars monthly lost to piracy, and even though very few if any, bands or companies have died from piracy, if left alone it will spread expedintially like a plague completely destroying all entertainment

i hate to post such a huge reply but this bullcrap thinking is why the future looks bleak for anyone who plans on designing games as a profession

... me

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Originally Posted by Illegal Machine

I don't really object to the download and use of ISOs and I'll tell you why.
blah blah blah

K thanks

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im so sick of you know it all kids. its against the law in most places in the world and its against the laws of our forum. if you got nothing usefull to say then dont say it. Its also unethical... and not everyone is a selfish white boy who slaps a "Z" on everything computer related. Also if it wasnt hurting anyone why do you think the companies would take so many actions to try to prevent it.. do you think they just enjoy spending money to up their firmware so that Little Steurt PeePee cant play lumines meanwhile snickering "im a gangsta cause i stole this video game."?

If you dont like our rules then make your own forum. Start your wonderful warez site on geocities with the rest of the "HACKAZ" or whatever the hell you kids say.

1timeuser, I didn't expect such behaviour from a moderator, you had no right to post Illigal_machine IP and host. he has only posted what he think, he hasn't advertised any site nor has he told anyone where to get anything from. So posting his ip was uncalled for even if it was for only 3 minutes. Bisides what the point of having a discussion if you threaten to ban anyone who doesn't agree with your point of a view :(

Now back to the piracy issue, something i don't understand ppl who are against iso tend not be against roms(old school stuff). Why is this allowed, doesn't that hurt the developer of the respective consoles :S even anti-iso man(fanjita) himself got snes running on 2.0+. piracy is piracy UNDERSTAND THAT POINT.

Ppl are under the impression that iso's are soley to blame for sony taking strict action such has new firmware, again if this was the case then why has 2.01, 2.5 and 2.6 firmware been released by sony, since it's clearly know that iso can only run on 1.5 for the moment. why didn't sony just stop development at 2.5 :confused:, IDK maybe it could have something to do with some homebrew like snes that are running roms(ILLEGAL again)

Another thing that i don't understand is why sites that are so against iso/roms, usually tend to carry the tools to run them, why not restrict ordinary user access to tool such as neogeocdz, snez emulator since it's clearly know that these tools will be used to operate ILLIGAL ROMS :(

Sorry to machine for the ip post. Im sure no one saw it.
No posts to ROMs, ISOs or any other illegal material. while loaders are not illegal it is against site policy to even mention them. Im sure plenty of people have answeres for the above post so il let them answere them. If you have problems with anything take it up with wraggster but Im just here to make sure you obey the laws of the forum.

The law = no iso/umd loaders, no warez of any kind meaning no commercial Rom or ISO links

Since 1timeuser edited his post, I find no need to chide him over certain issues.

Just remember people- it's site policy to not talk about those things. You're free to leave if you don't like it- I certainly enjoy the community here.

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Originally Posted by babu

1timeuser, I didn't expect such behaviour from a moderator, you had no right to post Illigal_machine IP and host. he has only posted what he think, he hasn't advertised any site nor has he told anyone where to get anything from. So posting his ip was uncalled for even if it was for only 3 minutes. Bisides what the point of having a discussion if you threaten to ban anyone who doesn't agree with your point of a view :(

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Yeah posting the IP was a litle far. No need to humiliate him 1time. We all know he was arguing with flawed logic.

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Originally Posted by babu

Now back to the piracy issue, something i don't understand ppl who are against iso tend not be against roms(old school stuff). Why is this allowed, doesn't that hurt the developer of the respective consoles

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No I'm pretty sure playing genesis games on my PSP doesn't hurt Sony. Nor does it hurt Sega, they're old games. The policy is to make homebrew that does not hurt the system your creating for. PSP ISO's hurt the console because those games are currently for sale.

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Originally Posted by babu

Ppl are under the impression that iso's are soley to blame for sony taking strict action such has new firmware, again if this was the case then why has 2.01, 2.5 and 2.6 firmware been released by sony, since it's clearly know that iso can only run on 1.5 for the moment. why didn't sony just stop development at 2.5 :confused:, IDK maybe it could have something to do with some homebrew like snes that are running roms(ILLEGAL again)

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Okay, But I'm sure ISO's are Sony's major concern. Though I don't doubt they dislike the emulators it isn't a big enough concern to release firmware soley for either.

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Originally Posted by babu

Another thing that i don't understand is why sites that are so against iso/roms, usually tend to carry the tools to run them, why not restrict ordinary user access to tool such as neogeocdz, snez emulator since it's clearly know that these tools will be used to operate ILLIGAL ROMS :(

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Read through this thread for that argument. Its a never ending one ;)

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Originally Posted by 1timeuser

Sorry to machine for the ip post. Im sure no one saw it.
No posts to ROMs, ISOs or any other illegal material. while loaders are not illegal it is against site policy to even mention them. Im sure plenty of people have answeres for the above post so il let them answere them. If you have problems with anything take it up with wraggster but Im just here to make sure you obey the laws of the forum.

The law = no iso/umd loaders, no warez of any kind meaning no commercial Rom or ISO links

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Glad you edited that comment 1time :) , Lets hope no one saw what it said originally. Hippies and all.

I feel like beating a dead hourse continuing this discussion, but it's reading week and all my homework is done and now i'am bored so why not, hehe, so plz bare with me :D. Also i like this site that the only reason why i signed-up, the news posted here tends to be first among alot of psp-news sites, ok enough of free publicity, :p

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Originally Posted by Kaiser

No I'm pretty sure playing genesis games on my PSP doesn't hurt Sony. Nor does it hurt Sega, they're old games. The policy is to make homebrew that does not hurt the system your creating for. PSP ISO's hurt the console because those games are currently for sale.

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it may be true that non of the developers are affected, but places like that eb games that still sell old school cartiages( making profits of them to ), will suffer, these ppl should be considered in the equation aswell. Now without any hard fact it's hard to say how much Sony suffer from iso. For instances take xbox/ps2 console every game is avaliable in ISO format, but both console are still doing strong business. Look at pc game industry, every game that gets released is hacked and avaliable for the general public, but developers still stay in the pc business. Now since this is a capitalism they must be having profits otherwise why not stop developing games for these systems.

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Originally Posted by Kaiser

Okay, But I'm sure ISO's are Sony's major concern. Though I don't doubt they dislike the emulators it isn't a big enough concern to release firmware soley for either.

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So basically sony dislikes ISO+roms+other hombrew, not ISO only :p

I ain't that bored to go through all the 6 pages, but i understand the meat of the discussion, kaiser :D

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Read that topic a little more and ur right keiser, ISO topic have been talked to death :eek:

damnit this was so much more fun when i wasnt a mod. Thanks to DS for helping me keep my cool. As you said babu this has been discussed to the point of causing suicidal thoughts.. so you see why it gets damn touchy around here when another random person brings it up. You know they say that in hell you keep dieing and coming back to life? well hell < ISO and piracy discussion around here.

Anyway I view the pspupdates forum as more of the help and gossip for all (i think they are just a little bit more patient then us XD )... Here we really cant stand the same topics and what kaiser calls "flawed logic".

Also please note this. I DONT HAVE BAN RIGHTS AND I DONT WANT THEM! I dont enjoy yacking at people, and im really not abusive with my "powers". I'm actually about to see if its possible to get rid of my ability to view IP addies so i wont be tempted to do that again. I am, however, working on a way to upload physical actions so that I might be able to virtually bitch slap anyone who causes problems... so keep that in mind.

wow, nice..

I have an opinion, You don't like it, then you go and post WHAT about me?


Youre such a wonderful human being.


really classy. YOU deserve such treatment.




And you know what? Id give a damn about one of your opinions if it didnt consist of "you're so stupid blah blah blah...."


I could see you getting bent out of shape if you owned sony. or maybe even if you worked for them. but I have a hard time feeling bad for a mulitmillion dollar conglomerate that wants to corner the market on every format by making thier own custom Universal media disc, or whatever that doesnt fit in anything in the universe except a PSP, and wont allow you to write on it?


sorry charlie, but I had enough of that nonsense with CDs. and you can be like WHAAA WHAAAA Eminem isnt making enough money, or Sony isnt making enough money blah blah blah and that translates into higher costs for us blah blah blah...

whtever.


its not like YOU are losing money, its not like YOU have to reprogram the firmware, its not like YOU have to do anything except sit there and have an opinion. and you're entitled to it, but if you want to say MY logic is flawed? consider the FACT that you're defending a meme that doesnt care about YOU, doesnt think about YOU, and never even sees YOU as anything other than a potential dollar sign.


then you're gonna come on here and cry that I'M not living up to my potential as a sony consumer? you're sick in the head. you need to look in the mirror and realize that ANY entitity that makes all of its decisions based on personal gain, and has NO regard for others in that endeavor is a sociopath, and does not deserve your respect, nor defense.


and you DARE insinuate that Im some kind of kid? Who are YOU, interpol? are you the Wyatt Earp of the internet? there to shut down any lawbreakers and defend the profits of the Sony Corporation? NO you arent. you're just some consumer, that was told that you arent allowed to do something, and you believed it. well have fun with that.

Okay first this is for babu, the more reasonable and rational one.

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So basically sony dislikes ISO+roms+other hombrew, not ISO only

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Sony dis-likes emulators becuase of the legal issues surrounding roms. Sony like homebrew games and is the single most supportive mainstream company of it (e.g PS3 linux).

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As I said in the many other discussions of this matter.....

Roms- Though we won't discuss it, pretty much everyone here downloads roms. I'm not talking about freeware ones. The legality is solid. We are all breaking the law. But this is our own problem and as long as we don't discuss them we are all fine at dcemu. Dcemu's policy about this is everyone does it, just don't discuss it. I mean its easy to justify old NES or Genesis roms because it is hard to find a working cartridge of games such as Sonic The Hedgehog or The Legend of Zelda. That is an unspoken agreement within the dcemu community. Its okay just don't talk about it here.

ISOs- ISO's and in fact any discussion of attaining these files is banned completely. It has no unspoken agreement on dcemu. Simply put, whether attaining these ISOs through legal means or otherwise discussion is not allowed. The discussion of ISO's for any system that is currently being supported (e.g; PSP, PS2 and/or Xbox) is not only banned but discouraged. Meaning not only can you not talk about it but you are encouraged not to do it!

What it comes down to
-Downloading Old Roms do not harm current systems or companies. Ebgames does not rely on those carts. They're simply clearing stock. There more for the retro gamer who wants to own the original version.

-Downloading ISO's for current systems will harm that console. The industry does suffers significant amounts of money from piracy. Only lately is it starting to get back under control. The PC market was overwhelmed with piracy back in the late 90's. Just ask anyone.

Example: The majority of people playing Diablo on b.net back in the late 90s had a pirated copy.

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I could see you getting bent out of shape if you owned sony. or maybe even if you worked for them. but I have a hard time feeling bad for a mulitmillion dollar conglomerate that wants to corner the market on every format by making thier own custom Universal media disc, or whatever that doesnt fit in anything in the universe except a PSP, and wont allow you to write on it? sorry charlie, but I had enough of that nonsense with CDs. and you can be like WHAAA WHAAAA Eminem isnt making enough money, or Sony isnt making enough money blah blah blah and that translates into higher costs for us blah blah blah...

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You realize not everyone in a company is some sick puppy-killing corporate whore. Regular people on the bottom ranks suffer to. They need money to live. With your "logic" I should be able go over to your house and steal your PSP, because you have enough money already.

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Originally Posted by Illegal Machine

its not like YOU are losing money, its not like YOU have to reprogram the firmware, its not like YOU have to do anything except sit there and have an opinion. and you're entitled to it, but if you want to say MY logic is flawed? consider the FACT that you're defending a meme that doesnt care about YOU, doesnt think about YOU, and never even sees YOU as anything other than a potential dollar sign.

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Enough with the "evil corporation" shit. Why the hell do you bash a company because THEY made something that they don't want to run stolen games. You don't know what your talking about. Stealing is okay because they have enough money already? Your a bloody anarchist for damn sake.

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Originally Posted by Illegal Machine

then you're gonna come on here and cry that I'M not living up to my potential as a sony consumer? you're sick in the head. you need to look in the mirror and realize that ANY entitity that makes all of its decisions based on personal gain, and has NO regard for others in that endeavor is a sociopath, and does not deserve your respect, nor defense.
and you DARE insinuate that Im some kind of kid? Who are YOU, interpol? are you the Wyatt Earp of the internet? there to shut down any lawbreakers and defend the profits of the Sony Corporation? NO you arent. you're just some consumer, that was told that you arent allowed to do something, and you believed it. well have fun with that.

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No Sony is a business. A business should have the ability to amke money off there own hard work. Its called capitalism. Yes everyone is just some consumer, a consumer who has the ability to spend money on what ever you want. If you hate Sony so much why are you supporting them by buying there product? No need to be so self-rightous Illegal Machine. But you are right about one thing, it is your opinion.

"I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it."-Voltaire