Another Reason For Sony To Kill Off Homebrew

I own 7 games on UMD, I also have over 100 games in ISO format like many people here. My 2 reasons for using these ISO's without moral issues are as follows:

Firstly, when running off a 2gb stick (rather than the 4gb drive which I've just sold) they run incredibly faster than their UMD counterparts. Not just slightly faster, a whole lot faster.

Secondly - IMHO the majority of games for the PSP are pretty weak. I will try a game first, then go out and buy it. In case you were wondering, yes I only feel the need to own 7 out of the many I have tried, one of which is GTA.

I applaud MPH's work - the idea of restricting it to being solely a UMD loader is lunacy.

man... i do NOT want to know how much money sony is grabbing with it's fckng game console. i do NOT want to know how much money they grab with music. i just do NOT want to know, how much money they grab with all the other business branches. dont you see, that sony is EVIL?
piracy is as normal as evolution and bytes just dont have a value, cause they can be reproduced a billion times.
you people should think twice about the situation of mankind before helping sony to prey upon the poor more further.
i mean, if you want to stop piracy, then start thinking about a new licensing system or whatever, but STOP helping them to gain more power.

i mean, why the heck do you think sony is abandoning homebrew only for piracy? there are thousands of other (material) reasons to disallow (unlicensed) developing on there systems....

this is awsome the best program yet for the psp you have to have a little skill to figure it all out so most people will never use it anyways other games also work with it

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Originally Posted by wally

I agree with what everyone is saying..

Technically MPH should back off and let someone like Team emergency Exit take the project into hand.

If MPH was to consider it UMD supported instead of ISO supported then they arent breaking any rules

but again they are doing it wrong and are killing the homebrew scene.

So for once MPH become bloody idiots and will be considered bloody idiots until they remove ISO support.

over and out

Wally

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they arent idiots this guy is a coding god i hope he keeps making stuff like this by the way it stops after ten mins sure there is fix for it but it didnt come from mph

sony had to lay off thousands of jobs just before christmas because other departments WERENT making money, only the ps2 was making a profit for them!

i only use the iso loaders so i can test the games out e.g i'm glad i tested out pro evo 5 because on the game.uk.com website it says that it has the master league on it but when i tested it, it doesnt have the master league so i have saved myself wasting £35 there. i own 7legal games and i'm going to be ordering 2 more tomorrow when i get paid.

this is a great development. However, I do agree that it would have been good to load the UMD (but maybe in addition to iso's)

And the NDS is rife with piracy so was the GBA. However they are still doing the business, and doing it well.

It has to work off the ISO, as files seem to have to be edited. You can't do that with a UMD.

so how much space is this going to take up on my memory stick doing this then?

Some extra space now much...

More than just GTA works with this, including that MEgaman game from what I've read...

It seems the PSP gets so much publicty for it's piracy but as anothe person said the GBA and NDS have it too...along with just about every system that's ever existed...

whats the actual name ( version ) cause i see a few knocking around...

yeah i was looking in the psphacking101.com forums and apparently someones cracked it so that it runs for longer than 10mins.

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Originally Posted by super_hoops1967

sony had to lay off thousands of jobs just before christmas because other departments WERENT making money, only the ps2 was making a profit for them!

i only use the iso loaders so i can test the games out e.g i'm glad i tested out pro evo 5 because on the game.uk.com website it says that it has the master league on it but when i tested it, it doesnt have the master league so i have saved myself wasting £35 there. i own 7legal games and i'm going to be ordering 2 more tomorrow when i get paid.

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ps2 can be modded to run any iso, hell you don't even have to worry about firmware updates, so if this is the most profitable branch of sony atm then piracy doesn't hurt sony it only makes it more successfull(otherwise ps2 would be at bottom when considering profit). So the same argument can be used with psp, due to sony's continous firmware updates it going to shoot itself in the foot not iso. :O

PS. i don't do piracy i just test, that just a lame excuse. :cool:

testing them aint lame, just saves me money on renting the games. if i'd gone out and bought half the games i wanted to without testing i'd be very very very pissed off because a lot of them are just cut down versions which it doesnt say in the descriptions for the game when there selling it!

if the iso loader wasnt around then i doubt that sony would be doing the updates as much because i dont think they give a shit about the homebrew scene or snes/megadrive emu's. they'd only do them to add more feature's like the web browser and the rss etc.

i'm not too bothered about the iso loaders because i wont have them on my psp from the middle of next week anyway because i'm getting fight night round 3 which needs 2.6 on it.

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Originally Posted by super_hoops1967

sony had to lay off thousands of jobs just before christmas because other departments WERENT making money, only the ps2 was making a profit for them!

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yaeh cause upper bosses want to earn as much money as before.

[edit] and much more [/edit]

YOur all parnoid

well i hope they do the firmware upgrading on the ps3 aswell.

lol i hate to admit i have a hdd from final fantasy xi and i just installed a memory card version of hdadvance, pop in my action replay, boot it via the mediaplauyer and my trusty usb stick and bam, isos

also my local and ONLY rental place has squat in games so i discovered winhiip ... you dont even need an original ps2 disc anymore, just an empty hdd slot on your pc, and some knowledge

tho i dont use it often, and loading hdadvance with usb ar evo cheat device is tedious, its pretty cool for testing games when you cant rent em , i dont have anything on it as of now but i thought it was interesting to post, with this method the only thing youd need to buy is a hdd (winhiip can convert any hdd to work with ps2 as long as its 40gb +) and action replay max evo .. the rest is all free

but i dont pirate i do just test games because id have to go to gamestop 30 m,iles away to buy any good games that my crappy rental store wouldnt have

For all the whiners out there, here is a proposed solution:

1)The program has built into a UMD ripper, which NEEDS to be executed to play the GTA ISO.
2)After all that jive and editing the ISO like MPH says, its good to go.
3)Before executing the ISO on a 1.5 the GTA UMD MUST be inserted to play the loaded ISO.

Would that be a good solution? Would that get you all to stop crying about how bad ISOs are?

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if the iso loader wasnt around then i doubt that sony would be doing the updates as much

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That is outright BS. The instant the exploit was discovered to allow homebrew, way before there existed ISO loaders, Sony threw the water on that fire. I have been part of the scene since its infancy; Sony has been persistent at getting rid of homebrew, even before ISO loaders existed.

Iso loader rules and it wont kill the scene.

You guys forget in order to play Iso's, you need to buy a bigger memory stick so sony is profeting loads on the memory sticks thx to Iso's loaders. The main reason i like to play a iso is cause i can put the cpu at 333mhz cause most games are so damn slow like midnight club!!!!!!!!! Put it on 333mhz and were good to go! :D

Thx Mph your the man! and some of you must see the documentary called piracy is good ;).
For the idiots who cant read he is gona take the bug that makes gta only run for 10mins out in next weeks release.

I understand this is a sensitive subject and I love the PSP. I personally own 22 legal UMD games with 5 or 6 on my wish list for the near future. I also own the GTA UMD. The homebrew scene has evolved so much that it is one of the best reasons to own a PSP.

I am not against this release from <a href="http://mphwebsite.tuxfamily.org/index.php?page=0">MPH</a> because I believe in making the 1.5 firmware capable of just about anything. I am no expert but I don't think Sony is taking too much of a hit from us homebrew junkies. I actually strongly believe that the homebrew scene is helping Sony and its PSP. Like I said, I own 22 UMD games, a couple UMD movies, a Sony brand 1GB memory stick, and the Sony brand "Stamina" battery. Moreover, in the near future I plan on getting a 2GB memory stick pro duo, and ANOTHER "Stamina" battery, to go with a 2ND PSP. The only reason for this is because of the great homebrew scene. ISO Loaders and all because eventually I'll try to convert some of the slow loading UMD games I LEGALLY own into ISO's to run on the EXPENSIVE 2GB memory stick.

With all that said, the point is, I am just ONE PSP owner out of the millions worldwide. And if ONE PSP owner is investing so much in 2 PSP's with all the expensive SONY branded accessories to take full advantage of homebrew, then seriously, Sony is raking in more $$$. The PSP is actually growing stronger with age and not being killed by piracy and homebrew.

Sure, Pirated ISO's are illegal. But if you own the UMD game, you are within your fair use rights to back it up into ISO form for better performance or as a back up in case original breaks.

SO I'll just come out and say that I support the work of MPH for keeping 1.5 firmware alive and thriving. If you only have ILLEGAL intentions for using his work then DOOM ON YOU!

Well I'm heading out today to buy GTA:LCS. Rockstar, Sony, and the BestBuy I happen to go to can thank MPH for the purchase I make. ;)

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Originally Posted by wally

If MPH was to consider it UMD supported instead of ISO supported then they arent breaking any rules

but again they are doing it wrong and are killing the homebrew scene.

So for once MPH become bloody idiots and will be considered bloody idiots until they remove ISO support.

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Listen man, the only way right now to play 2.0 games on 1.5 is only by ISO. You have the decrypt the prx files for it to work and you can't do that with a UMD. How in the hell is it killing the homebrew scene? This will have no effect on the homebrew scene at all. Everyone acts like sony likes or doesn't really care about the homebrew scene but if that was true, they wouldn't update their firmwares so homebrew wouldn't work on 2.01+ . You guys think sont wants people to run homebrew of their psps? Sony doesn't make money off any homebrew, and when that's the case, it's bad for them.

I completely agree with Voltron, lot of people say Sony loses money selling PSP's but nobody talks about the accessories that people running homebrew and ISOs buy: 1 or 2 GB memory sticks, batteries, cases,...

If people can run ISOs from PSP (legally, or ilegally, that's not my trouble) more and more people will get it, and more and more people will expend lots of money on accessories and games.

In the other hand, I'm sure that people telling MPH things like:
-MPH, Please Destroy your project.
-Mph Is Good And Bad, Wtf!!! The Other Things Are Great But This One Is Crap!!

is the same that put their hands on their head when people criticized PSIX software. If you don't like MPHs software, don't use it, nobody is telling you must, so let people do whatever they want, don't be repressive, don't try to control the world, sadly we have politicians for that question...

This is not just piracy against legallity, it is also a question of freedom. Let people live their lifes, we have more than enough with already existing laws...

Piracy never killed homebrew, industry did, and so is doing Sony again, everytime they put a new firmware on the market.

I don´t think this will make sony blink. I personally think it´s good thing. If you Buy gta but want to keep fw 1.5, isn´t this good? Like Donut-boy said, Sony makes no money from homebrew so why would they want it running on their consoles. New firmware with more protections was coming out before this loader. You can´t run isos with the e-boot loader with the gta exploit but how long do you think sony is going to let that go on before some patch comes out? Did Sony ever support homebrew for any console?

yehr that is good!!!
but when you made that the game load form
UMD:\
and from
MS0:\XXX\PRX2_0_0\.....
850MB for the GTA.iso is to big =( that is better when only the PRX2_0_0 from men.stick load and the another data from UMD

sry for my vad english =)

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Originally Posted by slayer2psp

they arent idiots this guy is a coding god i hope he keeps making stuff like this by the way it stops after ten mins sure there is fix for it but it didnt come from mph

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I suppose :)

Many pirates cant afford the original disk (thats their excuse and its quite lame too) So why even have a PSP and a 2 gigabyte memorystick then?

f9zDark: Good solution.

As for other people saying ISO loaders rule and it wont kill the scene. No it wont kill the scene but it WILL kill the UMD Game market.

Just remember that Making a program involves a lot of work and money.
Let me show you. Let me put Ubisoft in this example
All prices are estimates


1) Ubisofts name had to be bought as a company name ($10,000)
2) The company has to get a contract from sony including official SDK to compile the stuff ($100,000)
3) Ubisoft would have had to hire about 20 programmers, graphic designers, animators etc etc. ($30,000 per week) lets say they take 10 weeks at making a game so thats ($300,000)
4) They then would have to ship it off to stores worldwide ($10,000 easily) (Including UMDS, Cases, Manuals, etc)

Roughly that totals up to $450,000 and they make approx $70AU a disk

If say 100 people bought the game they would get $7000 and therefore if the game doesnt sell and pirates come in. The company doesnt make any games. So this is where sony comes in to protect these developers therefore making it harder for pirates who are making it harder for those who wish to emulate older systems.


As for my last post. It was a rather quick post as i was heading out the door.

Also when someone mentioned emulators are used for piracy well you are kinda right but emulators dont run new games and the roms nobody cares about otherwise the sites hosting them would have been pulled to pieces by now. I suppose it could be classed as abandonware.

I think it's funny that so many of you think that the only victim in UMD piracy is Sony. I don't know all the details, but it only makes sense that they would only see a small percentage of each disk sold. You're screwing the actual makers of the game the most when you refuse to buy a quality game, because they're the ones that see the lion share of the profit. I know there are people employed at game development firms on this board... Why aren't you guys jumping in about the effect this has on your pocket book?

I've personally been very disappointed by the selection of games available so far, and wouldn't have bought any much less downloaded them. On one hand, I think it's great that people will play a pirate version instead of buying a second-rate game because, to a certain degree, it sends the message that game makers need to try harder and that they don't deserve our money just because they say so. On the other hand, though, if a game is even semi-decent, or you play it for more than just a few settings, you need to go out and buy that game so that that game maker has the resources to continue developing better games for the future. You can't whine about the avalibility, or lack of availability, of good games if you're not willing to financially back the companies potentially bringing them to you.

I, for one, am happy about this new loader because I bought my PSP partly because of games like Ys that haven't even been released yet. I also bought my PSP because of homebrew, entirely unaware that Sony would ever try and force upgrades to play games. Without this loader (or some similar methoud), I am forced to make the decision to stick with homebrew (with it's limitless future potential) or upgrade just to play the newest games that I'd probably beat in less than a week (and then, at some point games would stop coming out and my PSP would become useless). Now I don't have to make that decision and am very happy that I can support good games as they come out.

Come on, 2.0 doesn't load any ISO Loader and Sony released 2.01/2.5/2.6

2.0 you can downgrade, but 2.01 you can't.

why the hell are yall freakin out lol its just another one for 1.50..... im sure sony, or any other publisher, wouldnt find this as any more of a threat than before, simply because there are none for 2.00+

OK, let's make this very simple: Sony isn't going to go broke even if PSP is a complete failure. If you don't see this, you're a complete moron, and have no ideea who Sony Entertainment is.
Now, the real money don't come from the consoles but from selling the games; actually the console is cheaper than its manufacture costs, 'cause Sony figured out they'd make the money from game sales. So saying pirating is healthy is simply not true. Sony gets revenues from each game sold, so this is where the money really come for them.
Each manufacturer tries to protect its product (mainly from piracy), so it's only normal that Sony will continue to make 3.0, 3.01, 3.02, 3.1, 3.50, 4, 5, 6, 7.00 firmware upgrades (or whatever necessary) to protect their investment.
But saying that mph's launcher will affect the scene is just plain dumb. Same thing does the downgrader. It comes to me a scene from Farscape the Peacekeeper Wars: John creates what all his enemies and friends asked him to do the entire series... and when he does, and they realize it's not what they expected, they said "why?"... YOU asked for the downgrader, YOU asked for this launcher. MPH is a great coder, he did a lot for many of you, and nothing illegally against SONY. This is exactly why the PSP scene is dieing, a lot of morons, and a lot of ISO leechers. Many coders are slowly getting enough bullshit from ppl that just aren't sattisfied... Can't you make it red, bigger, and with a hamburger on top?... Wtf...
Sincerely, real damage is done from loading pirated iso's (without buying the games liked). But it's a free world, and we SHOULD have alternatives. I personally cheer this comes out, the only thing I fear is the bunch of morons that bend in the wind, advertising whatever "some guru" said (like this launcher is bad), instead of using their brains (yeah, what brains...) and see what this really is. Many $$ for games that are crappy and dont deserve 5$... Haven't you learned anything from the (dieing) gaming scene? "We do not suport piracy. If you like the game buy it". Makes a lot of sense to me...

If this post is too long for you and you already have a headache, too bad. Many people don't wanna hear the truth or simply can't see or understand it. Not 1% (one percent) of you can do what he did, though you have oppinions.

The PSP scene will slowly die if morons continue to complain, leech isos and not buy (at least the favourite game). Many good coders had enough and left the PSP scene. Are you really that narrow? Can't you see that if there is noone to make your day(s) creating a downgrader or an emulator or a homebrew (/game), you'll really have to only play the created games which some are totally crap? It's good to have alternatives instead of just eating McDonalds, KFC and Burger King... GET IT?

Respect to MPH, you've done what many people said was impossible.

The fact is Sony does not want homebrew on its console, regardless of iso loaders. This loader won't hurt them or developers at all because barely any PSP owners have a 1.5 (I'd say less than 10%).

The GTA exploit has NO WAY of running an iso loader and look they tried to stop it by changing the syscalls in 2.6, no doubt they will patch it for good in firmware 3.0.

yeah, I would hate to see the PSP stabbed to death by bootlegging ala Dreamcast. I paid for my 25 PSP games.

Here is why I belive that sony makes the upgades in no particular order of importance.

1)The first reason is obvious to most people. If Sony can upgrade their product then that means that they can add features that will make their psp more attractive to consumers. eg web browser

2) They can also add features that will make it easier for developers to make games. this amounts to better games and, more profit because more people will buy them.

3) The firmware upgrades may help to against piracy via umd loader. I seriously doupt any corporation will choose to do nothing to prevent losing money if they can do something.If you drop a dollar on the ground you are not going to leave it there because you have 100 more in your pocket.I am also sure that the developers aren't happy about iso loaders and have voiced their complaints to sony.I know I wouldn't develop for a system whose company does absolutely nothing about piracy.

4)The firmware upgrades may help to against piracy of other handhelds like GBA. Although The GBA emulator we have now in not up to par, Nintendo sees this as a threat and I am positve that they weren't quiet about it. All morals aside why would the average consumer by a GBA when they can buy a psp that can play free GBA games on a larger screen and, do much more.Also why buy a GBA with ported games when I can play the original SNES games on a larger screen for free on psp.The consumer would see that in the long run that is is more cost affective to buy a psp than a GBA.

Hmm, i recon this program is great, if you ignor the fact that idiots will abuse it.

Does this help me in any way with my problem?
I was given a lumines umd at christmas, which was bought from Game.
Lumines requires fw 1.5, but i have fw 1.0 on my psp. :(

I have tried using WAB and SXT version trickers but they couldnt make it load.
I couldnt take the game back because i dont have a receipt, so i am waiting for a program that will let me run the umd without updating my psp.

This program sounds like it could do that, and should work on a 1.0 fw psp but i know mph fw loader does not work on fw 1.0. :(

^lol. f*ck 1.00. Get 1.50.

1.0 rules tho, none of that kxploit rubish...

^^^It rules so much that you can't play most PSP games on it.

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Originally Posted by mog

1.0 rules tho, none of that kxploit rubish...

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Uhh...why not try miemt11's simple UMD loader? Sure, it says for 1.5, but it could work for 1.0 too. Or flashmod. For Lumines, that is.