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isnt gta about fictional crime they are supposed to be bad people in it because thats the point, lol people think anythings racist, this is a little violent but not racist, hell kids play gta and you dont see them turning into racists or criminals, adults just cant admit its their fault when something goes wrong :(
good for you, your first post was intelligent and made sense, it was better than my post :DQuote:
Originally Posted by sithlord1823
i hate when colleges give idiots degrees
There was a FPS Soldier game like 1-2 yrs ago for the PC (and afaik for the PS2) I think it was the sequel to a not very popular title (hence why i can't recall the name of the game)
I remeber it being mentioned on the news that Tamils and some other militant country, possibly S. Korea successfully banned the creators/publishers from depicting war crimes related to past activies inside the game... (two scenarios were removed)
As games become more realistic I agree that there should be some control. But as far as I can tell the realistic kind of games are targeted to an older audience and I would rather much fight for a efficient age rating watchdog than to censor possible insinuations of racism in a game rated R-18
After all an adult should be rational enough to separate reality from a game, right?
I even think it can be regarded as a kind of fetish in gaming industry - much like the japanese tentacle monster hentai rape games for PSX back in the days...
I've known many people that like to live out their perverted fantasies trough gaming, something they obviously would'nt do in real life so perhaps that is
where games charged with heavy stereotypes are going to lead us.
Real racism in games?? Dactari Boxing for the Atari 2600 white against black! Real simple
Maybe some of it is over the line
But I think the comedian Carlos Mencia really put "racist" humor into perspective.
When taken out of context anything can be seen as malicious.
http://www.carlosmencia.com/content/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Mencia
I think this arguement has no basis. Yea its true that some games might have stereotypical views of people implemented into them but I think people of this day and age are smart enough to see that just because a game gives stereotypical views of people it does not mean that they are true.
So that means when people play games theyre not being racist or anything of the sort. when people bring up discussions like these it just makes people angry. Gaming is to good to be ruined by idiots who look for trouble in everything.
So, is the University of British Columbia just giving those degrees out? or do you have to pay them for it.
Who goes and plays over 100 hours of video games and then says they're racist and against minorities? Even though all the non-minorities are hitmen, purse snatchers, or just dudes running from the police for no reason...
and how the heck are Orcs racist characters? Oh no, they're green, and they're slaughtered like pigs, does that make them a minority :confused:
Give me a f*ckin break. Waste of time in my book. Just because black people are seen as gang members in a tough neighborhood (like the ones in GTA) doesn't mean the game is racist!!!!! It means thats the way it is in the game. Give me a break! Go find something else to complain about!
Actually black people are seen as regular people minding there own bussines in this game not as gang members. But i sttill agree this guy is a F***Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowhawk22
Everybody, at the end of the day, Robert has called almost every gamer of GTA, Miami Vice, Oblivion, Virtua Tennis, Pokemon, Worms and Pong a racist because of the game that we play...
...Robert sucks, I hope he/she gets a BIG "F" for the assignment and gets laughed at by all his/her friends in front of the class. Damm I have been playing games for almost 16 years (I am 18 now by the way), I could do this assignment and call myself intelligent :D, I wont even need to play the game, the back of the box says and shows it all :) (Maybe thats all Robert did really?)
OMFGHOMOPHOBE!!1!Quote:
Originally Posted by Acidburn05
It's impossible to get through life without encountering forms of prejudice or bigotry against all kind of minorities that no one really notices until you point them out. The only media that won't be accused of being racist, sexist, or any other -ists is media with no personality, like pong or tetris, and I cant even think of any examples for movies.
i think he might really be on to something, more often than not when you see a person of color in a videogame, they're corrupt in some way or form.
i havent seen videogames blatantly re-enforce racism (short of a handheld ad), but they do love to re-enforce stereotypes. And idunno how many of you guys notice, but minorities do not have the most desired stereotypes.
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Originally Posted by Briggzy11
Because this guy is a tool.
ROFL.
Sry but... FU Parungao.
Why is he looking for trouble?
GAMES = *F*U*N*
I hate those people making critics on games which they take to serious.
Maybe he just want's attention, rofl
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Originally Posted by emuking
Right
i have never been prompted to actually write on this forum until now, but not about this mans thesis, but about the fact that you are all missing one very important point that a few of you have already proven.
first somewhere on page 3 or 4 one of you made a comment about how the thesis writer must have doen it with his boyfriend. you are proving his point right there
second someone else said a few pages back that in resident evil 4 all you do is shoot mexicans. low and behold your actually in spain so i guess you claim anyone who speaks spanish is a mexican?
your both good examples of what the thesis writer is writing about ( if you actually take the time to read it)
the fact that it is subtle and that racism need only be an influence! you may think that a chinese character screaming about hiroshima is stupid and funny, and not what the thesis writer is claiming but in the end you most likely will tell your friends about it and they theres, only in the end to have been influenced enough by it to either desensitize yourself or with enough other examples from videogames to build an even bigger picture of racism based from said games.
now picture this, most people who bother to post on forums or even use the internet for anything constructive are generally more intelligent than your average person who does not, why? because it takes an amount of intelligence to learn it and do so. what you get then is the same logic applied to the average or normal person playing games who does not understand the difference between subltey, or jokes. what they then do is what i said above but they take it farther, they spout it off like a new chapelle show one liner at people thinking its funnny because they got it from a game.
in the end the writer is right, games can be racist, but its the "unwashed masses" as chomsky put it that screws it up because they are not intelligent enough to go beyond the literallity of it, they just go out and use it on others.
agreed with sogeki
i remember the whole loco roco insident
i mean. if i were to ask you, if a white man and a black man armwrestled, who would win?
you wouldnt be able to answer it without some one shouting your a racist
i mean, cmon people, seriously
if there is a gang that only allows asain people to join, and thats a part of a game, its racist, he claims
well, no its not! because there are really gangs out there who only allow people of a certain origin, and that game was just aiming for realism
and about the white hero part, well, in a lot of games there are white heros, and thats because there are more white people in america then any other color. and you know what? if thats the color of most people who play the games. then thats the type of people the game industry is trying to sell to the most! and if you were to look at a black peice of paper, with a big white dot of ink in the middle, your
probably going to notice the circle, its easier for your eye to see the circle, and not the paper
just like in video games, where there are white heros, but there are also black, yellow, brown, green, red, all colors. and those are more easily unoticed. not because there are a lot less, which isnt the case, but because when you look at it in a certain way, you dont see them
and the reason why racism isnt seen in video games, is because there is none! its twits like this man, who say there is one, then gets other people to play along with him
ps: in gta, it doesnt matter what color you are on the ouside, just whats on the inside
which usually is smeared all over the front of the car
heh I think he did the thesis on rasism in computer games just so he could play on computer games for the duration of his course. Its an easy subject to cover because every sort of media and entertainment is rasist in some way or other. So I wouldn't pay much mind to this. The general public of all nations are rasist in some way, so really there is no escaping it.
Pong is totally racist. I mean its two WHITE paddles with a WHITE ball ONTOP of a BLACK background. It should be two BLACK paddles and ball ontop of a WHITE background, but wait, thats racist too thats saying that the WHITE man is much LARGER than the BLACK man and is everywhere he wants to be!Quote:
Originally Posted by RuthlessOne
See how easy it is to convey Politically Correct racism to ANYTHING. I am so sick of PCism it pisses me off.
I'm really annoyed when I hear people give Shadow Warriors flack. Shadow Warriors is not about asians, it's a parody of Kung-Fu movies and Japanese Anime. I don't think it's right to accuse something of being racist just because it makes fun of films and media that happen to come from one particular area of the world. Has political correctness gotten SO FAR out of control that you can't make parodies anymore? Or is Hong Kong and Japanese films SO SPEICAL that we arn't allowed to make fun of them. Does that mean we can only make fun movies that star white people?
Also, that game just flat out kicked ass. Best Duke Nukem clone ever!
Ahhh another fat white c*cks*cker in a suit smoking a cigar bitching about racism. Racism is in the people, it's a state of mind to group differences and fear them subconsciously hence creating hatred. It's not given to children by GTA (children shouldn't even be able to buy the game since it's Rated M+) buy racism is mostly put into people through people they trust/feel secure with the most... mostly being their parents. It's not something you can get from a game. I really find racism a funny subject to make fun of to break the ice around multi cultural gatherings, but personally I like difference, I don't try to change people to my liking. I accept people for how they are... and howEVER they are... even if they have an eye growing from their nose, I don't care... that's you, and you are free to be who you want to be, to have freedom, you must give it first.
But no, I played GTA, and as a child and even to this day Shadow Warrior has been one of my favorite games and I never for a second thought about its racism. There we go again with the politicians and the pussyification of our generation. Soon the only game we will be allowed to play will be barney the purple dinosaur.
Damn thats weak.
Seriously, you can make much more of a case of negative black or latin stereotypes than with asian ones. But anyway, how about the positive asian sterotypes in games? Characters like Chun-Li or Liu Bei, the boy and girl in Ico, or the dude from Shenmue. Subtract the whole fighting people bit and you got a classy bunch there. But hey, does fighting people mean a game plays into a sterotype? If it does, then I'd be damned if all other races didn't qualify in this category too.
And from all the overseas stuff i've seen, trust me they peddle their own self-mocking junk out there in Japan. So you can say 3D Realms made a racial disasterpiece with Shadow Warrior; but please don't discount all the japanese games that feature japanese characters playing into adverse steroetypes.
So you can write a paper about racism in martial arts films and just replace where it says "film" or "movie" with "video game" (it's just a reiteration of the same concept); but don't do a half assed job and not focus on the greater scale of racism that is much more relevant in todays society.
Now if you excuse me, I'm gonna play Marc Ecko's Getting Up. man, is those white po-po so uncool or what!
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Originally Posted by corenskae
yes he is...
He was going into this looking for racism. He was biased going in, and I'm certain he was never denying that. He's making the points to support his theory, not the counterpoints to undermine the work he's putting forth.
I certainly do NOT agree with the way he went about searching for racism in games. For instance, Kung Fu Master for NES was originally named Spartan X. Developed by Irem, a Japanese company, and based on a Jackie Chan movie called Wheels on Meals or Spartan X depending upon how you find it. Where is the racism in that? GTA, in ANY iteration, has CHARACTERS that are racist. Just as American History X has CHARACTERS that are racist, as an extreme example. Would it be looked at the same way if the main character were a different race? I haven't read his paper, but it doesn't appear that he's cited GTA:SA, and it wasn't reported as a played game for the report. Warcraft 3? I mean, come on. Where was he trying to go with that? Sure, there was "racism" in that the human race was battling the orcs, and whomever else they battled. But it's a WAR simulation. When two groups are fighting, there's going to be a defined line in who is fighting whom.
I will NOT say there is no racism involved in video games or development, as Lo Wang: Shadow Warrior is a prime example. While it was certainly tongue-in-cheek, it was still a stereotype filled attempt at keeping the Duke Nukem 3D style game alive. The developers intentions were almost certainly to shock people into playing the game. Much like the Mortal Kombat games initially shocked people with the addition of blood and homicide, which helped introduce a ratings system to video games and has also been a mainstay in mature rated games to date. Perhaps they were simply trying to relive the feel of 70's and 80's comedies which contained similar styles of humor.
A friend and I had a conversation the other day about something very similar to this, it wasn't a matter of racism in games so much as why there weren't very many ethnic or minority protagonists in games. However, there aren't very many foils who are minorities, either. So it's never been an "us" versus "them" sort of thing. I mean, I can understand making the main character white, there's a reason ethnic groups are called minorities. It's because there are less people of that particular race than there are white-europeans. So giving us a generic main character with whom people can easily identify makes sense.
I can honestly say the races in any given video game have never made a difference to me. I'm there to enjoy my experience, not analyze it. When I play games I become the main character, I don't watch him. I don't kill people based on the color of their skin, I don't fight people because I don't like their culture. I want to sit down and take myself away from the ignorance and boredom of the real world. I want an escape.
Hunting down racism where it doesn't truly exist serves no purpose other than to segregate people further. You never know when you're going to have an impact on a life. What kind of impact you have is up to you.
I'm done here. It's time to go to the gym.
Parungao criticised GTA for featuring "non-white characters who are mainly triad members, Yakuza gangsters, latino gangs or black hoods.
yeah and?????? whats your point.
Parungao went on to claim that game developers "like to use a mix and match grab bag of Asian stereotypes that are often nonsensical", such as the villain in Shadow Warrior, who "goes by a Chinese name, Lo Wang.
(not villain dumb @ss he's the hero).
it's a flipping game! it's not suppose to be real! its suppose to be funny. and if you following low wang as a role model, get some serious help.
Parungao concluded: "I hope to continue looking into ways to improve videogames because they’re fun and I’d like to see them turn into positive media instead of negative ones."
they are already fun. violence makes it fun. bad puns make it fun. if you dont like that go play, Barbie Horse Adventures.
and another thing he forget the great duke nukem!
you the know the blonde hair, sunglasses wearing womanizer!
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Originally Posted by Briggzy11