The Worldwide Dislike of Sony at This Time

I hate to say it, but could we see another downfall of the video game market, like the one in the eighties? I mean, there are alot of unhappy 360 people out there, I am one. We are talking about not buying PS3, or anything $ony. So now what, nintendo only? I like nintendo, but I have never been happy with the hardware since the super nintendo left. I wonder if Sega's mouth is starting to water? The sad thing is,I like $ony products. But they are in a world of hurt if they keep stepping on everyone.

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

If someone in the UK got a Japanese PS3 they wouldn't be able to play Blu-Ray movies, thus having to import movies.

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that only means that movie region protection is BS as well

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Originally Posted by Darksaviour69

not convinced, the amount of imports would be tiny in real sales terms, and would not really effect blue ray sales in the long term. Over all this has been bad for sony as it bad PR

Another theory is that the ps3 will not sell out as badly in the US and Japan if you reduce the potential customers, there fore deducing the "sony fails to deliver" bad pr. With such small numbers of ps3 available for the launch and 2006, cutting off egger European customers would help.

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Well, its all hypothetical. Sony obviously thought that it would make a difference. Sony didn't do this just to be arseholes and piss of the gaming community so there has to be a proper reason.

What about the online? Mabye Sony hasn't fully setup its European servers and stopping the Europeans from getting PS3 would stop the whole "waah our online doesn't work i want a new PS3" then Sony having to tell them they can't have a new PS3 because the online isn't setup and that they don't have a warantee for a new one because its imported.

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Originally Posted by cawley1

If we do a straw poll on this forum in 3 years I bet most of you will have a PS3, including me!
Face it guys, as much as we might not like it, Sony will odds-on be #1 this time around again.:mad:

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You might be right about many on this forum (not casual gamers) having a PS3 next year, but if Sony are number one next year, they will have beaten the odds. Things weren't looking that good for them even before this happened.

Me, I don't care about this issue, though I find it interesting that Sony is insisting they have nothing to do with the closing of Lik Sang. Kinda seems like they're scared, no?

I'll buy anything from Sony I think is good and affordable. Hell, maybe I'll have a PS3 in a year. I doubt it, though, and it's nothing to do with this.

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Originally Posted by moogster66

I wonder if Sega's mouth is starting to water?

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interesting point you make. IF SEGA WERE TO MAKE ANOTHER CONSOLE (they dont seem to have it in the works) I would like to see nintendo and sega work closer together though instead. Heh, just imagine hearing that 15 years ago, everyone would have had an aneurysm.

Synthesis:

but that has always been the case with imports from the very start, the psp and ps3 are not the first consoles to be imported. importers know the risks, and its there choice. Sony ( well really the UK court ) has taken that choice way from them.

Yes of course sony have reasons, but to mean they reasons are not good enough for the amount of bad PR / backlash they are getting, it just (another) bad business mistake.

i'm not planning to get a ps3, to be honest it does not impress me, but I'm biased against sony (when it comes to what i buy, i try to give an objective option on them)

Market analysts predict that sony will not enjoy the same dominance they did with the ps1/2, but they will be the over all leader, only time will tell

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Originally Posted by steve-b

I dont think boycotting is the answer.
Consider this: Sony lose money on hardware sales thinking they can make it back in software sales.

So, go buy your sony hardware. just buy second hand games or rent them. That way sony lose out and you don't have to miss out on games you want to play.

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Or, don't buy them at ALL, they'll lose more money.

They'll have unsold consoles, making all they spent making it lost.

*signs*

NINTENDO AND MICROSOFT FOREVER!

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Originally Posted by Darksaviour69

Synthesis:

but that has always been the case with imports from the very start, the psp and ps3 are not the first consoles to be imported. importers know the risks, and its there choice. Sony ( well really the UK court ) has taken that choice way from them.

Yes of course sony have reasons, but to mean they reasons are not good enough for the amount of bad PR / backlash they are getting, it just (another) bad business mistake.

i'm not planning to get a ps3, to be honest it does not impress me, but I'm biased against sony (when it comes to what i buy, i try to give an objective option on them)

Market analysts predict that sony will not enjoy the same dominance they did with the ps1/2, but they will be the over all leader, only time will tell

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Its obvious a lot of gamers loved Lik-Sang, but they still broke the law. Its petty to say the least, but if Sony don't stop these sorts of things investors can and will sue. I never ordered from Lik-Sang myself but they seemed like a decent company.

To be honest, I'm just glad you're not another one of the trolling idiots who flame Sony without second thought. All this boycotting stuff is ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Vegetable

Christ. None of you realise that a petition is going to absolutely jack -****ing- shit. Casual gamers don't give a flying **** about the closing of Lik-Sang, and they'll buy the PS3 anyway.

Besides, Lik-Sang was breaking distribution laws, and Sony just happened to be the one to shut them down for it.


Quoted by VEGETABLE
Originally Posted by zidanerick
#1 its none of their business what people buy from overseas, even if they do produce them.
( I SUPPORT THIS STATEMENT SOO MUCH)

WRONG WRONG WRONG. **** you are wrong. Sony has the distribution rights of their own product, you idiot. They get to choose who can buy their system, and who can sell it because IT'S THEIR RIGHT TO.

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YOU ARE SOMEONE FROM SONY! VEGETABLE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE! :mad: go and f**k them if you want to, no one shud support sony that much to try and make everything they do seem justified CAUSE IT F**KING ISNT!

DOWN WITH SONY, UP WITH HOMBREW!
DOWN WITH SONY, UP WITH HOMBREW!
DOWN WITH SONY, UP WITH HOMBREW!

liksang you will be dearly missed ='(

i was seriously considering buying the ps3 because of FF13 BUT NOW THEY CAN JUST F**K OFF!

Xbox360 here i come!

and if sony dont want imports then they shud release the console everywhere not in effing japan then 3month later usa then another 3month later in europe.

SONY YOU SUX SOO MUCH!

sony are so selfish . theres nothing wrong with lik-sang i brought my first psp from their. There stillgetting money arent they?!!

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Originally Posted by gov1

YOU ARE SOMEONE FROM SONY! VEGETABLE YOU ARE AN ASSHOLE! :mad: go and f**k them if you want to, no one shud support sony that much to try and make everything they do seem justified CAUSE IT F**KING ISNT!

DOWN WITH SONY, UP WITH HOMBREW!
DOWN WITH SONY, UP WITH HOMBREW!
DOWN WITH SONY, UP WITH HOMBREW!

liksang you will be dearly missed ='(

i was seriously considering buying the ps3 because of FF13 BUT NOW THEY CAN JUST F**K OFF!

Xbox360 here i come!

and if sony dont want imports then they shud release the console everywhere not in effing japan then 3month later usa then another 3month later in europe.

SONY YOU SUX SOO MUCH!

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You are a perfect example of an absolute ****ing idiot.

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

You are a perfect example of an absolute ****ing idiot.

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thank you for the complement

If you didnt want something bad posting about sony they shudnt of gone and done something like that shud they(plus there shudnt of been a topic about the dislike of sony (maybe one about the unhappy death of liksang :( ))

oh yeh sry about flaming just needed to let steam off

And I thought Sony was cool way back when...

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Originally Posted by Synthesis

Its obvious a lot of gamers loved Lik-Sang, but they still broke the law. Its petty to say the least, but if Sony don't stop these sorts of things investors can and will sue. I never ordered from Lik-Sang myself but they seemed like a decent company.

To be honest, I'm just glad you're not another one of the trolling idiots who flame Sony without second thought. All this boycotting stuff is ridiculous.

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I'm not convinced they did, I think the court rules in favour of sony, as lik-sang did not defend themselves. That judgement would mean that Game shops that are selling second hand games and consoles are also breaking the law, as they don't have permission from sony (or the what ever the maker is)

that would also mean second hand bookshops, hell any second hand shop is illegal!

all retailers are second hand shops because they buy their products from suppliers 0.0 (wow this is soo hypocritical)

Add my signature to this.

Sony... As you're aware. The only buyers of your PS3 will be hardcore fanboys, and rich dumbass casual gamers who have only ever known playstation.

I look forward to watching your slow demise in the videogame industry in the coming years. What with Microsoft and Nintendo actually having a clue in their goals and respective special talents, consumers and developers will buy into that in a huge way.

The playstation was the best viable option for third party developers back in 1995-1999. You were in the right place at the right time with the right product. Again with the PS2, but by that point you had the name, plus the developer support plus a fanbase. Now you have an entire world of haters. Your competition is lightyears ahead of you in terms of ideas, planning and future prospect. Developers are turning from the PS3 in disgust at the immense hurdles you have presented them to deliver a good product. Just as the walkman died at the hands of innovation from the ipod, so too will playstation at the hands of Nintendo and Microsoft.

You've had your nes, snes and gameboy Sony. Welcome to your N64. Learn your lessons well.

The only reason Sony UK did this is because they want high numbers when the UK launch rolls around. It looks better for them PR wise like Darksavior69 said. If a lot of people hear "Hey you can buy a ps3 from Lik-Sang before the crazy late March launch." People will hear about it, and even the "casual" gamer might import one. Now for Sony to say they are doing this because of systems not working correctly cause of PAL and all that is rediculous. My GP2X AC adaptor is Pal and I'm in the US. I bought a simple 3 dollar converter to plug it into the wall. I'm sure anyone Importing would have no problem. Most importers didn't have a problem before. All this boils down to is region sales numbers. Also people lets not forget that if you boycott the PS3 you're mainly hurting the 3rd party game companies, not really Sony. Yes they make money off of game sales more than system sales, but again it would hurt 3rd party developers. Reason being is cause it's going to cost an arm and a leg to develop for Sony's PS3, which is nother reason the PSP has fewer games than DS. I'm sad to see Lik-Sang go but there's always Play-Asia!:p I just hope Sony doesn't go after them as well. Also wraggs should talk to Play-Asia and see if they'll help with the coding competition now, or has he already done that?

Sony tried to put their spin on things but they themselves are guilty of so more then Lik-Sang. Who simply stated that high standing Sony employee's had used their business. And didnt provide anything other then their names. Sony had illegally installed software on peoples computers completely unknown to consumers (Rootkit's) and they stole rumble technology from Immersion and still haven't paid Immersion for it. And with the PS3 they won't be ponying up so we can have rumble controllers. Instead they try and claim rumble technology is passive etc.

Before I would always buy sony products like laptops/desktops/tvs/mobiles/consoles/etc. but now after the recent fiasco with their batteries, the delaying of the uk launch of ps3, their stance on homebrew compared to both nintendo and microsoft, their non adherence to GPL philosophies yet using the technology, their lawsuits with liksang, their utter disregard for the european market place, the lack of knowledge of what gamers really want, I don't think i will ever purchase anything remotely related to sony. No more retail PSP games for me! Time to downgrade since I won't ever buy any more games, may as well use devhook and an iso loader...

In fact I'm pretty sure sony are going to suffer tremendosly from all the things i've mentioned. I would steer well clear of the PS3 if I were any knowledgable consumer as you will soon only be able to play blu-ray movies made from sony, when all game producers see the light and boycott their platform, and all movie studios except for sony decide to only produce HD-DVD only films.

Actually, saying that, prehaps I should still buy a PS3, with the sole purpose of hacking it and publicising how to pirate games on it. I really hope sony to very badly from now on, and hopefully they have made some very powerful enemies in the homebrew scene...

wow sonys bein a bunch of dicks, they should realy start getting themselfs back on track or else there gonna lose all there customers.


im still going to buy a ps3.

i'm gonna buy a ps3....used and from a reseller!

:D

So what about the "Owners Manual" you get in your nice new box when you buy something... doesnt it say "OWNERS" I could sell an american car to a UK person and it would be my choice, not GMC or Whatnot. It should have Been Lik-Sang choice what they did with their merchandise, the only way that sony would have any say over it is if Lik-Sang were selling it for sony directly, and Lik-Sang worked directly under sony.
Other than that, lets just shut down every market in the world because MOST MARKETS SELL GOODS FROM ANOTHER SOURCE.

Sony is hanging thierselves, and they want everyone to know how they died.

Homebrew on the PSP is about the best thing I have seen so far from their system, and that is about all.

interesting stuff : http://www.mcvuk.com/newsitem.php?id=24611

YEAH MAN!!!!
FCUK $ONY DOSE WNAKERS!!!!
aaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhh

i going to start getting strict on these types of posts, don't post unless you have something to add to the discussion, if you just want to vent use the junk forum

First off I want to say I'm an American. I don't have the frustration all you in the UK have for the delay until March, but I know I would be pissed. My mother just recently started a buisness and form her experience she has her product(already chopped and bundled wood) delivered to the areas that buy it the most. When you look at where most of the PS2s are sold it is here in America, almost half. That explains why 400,000 of the 500,000 units at launch will be in North America, Canada included est. 50,000 of 400,000. The American market is the one that Sony also has to compete most with the Xbox 360. Sony made a buisness choice. If you owned a buisness you would make the most profitable choice too. Sony doesn't want to lose the American $. They are even giving less to their own people because of this,100,000 units only. Lik-Sang.com was a threat to take away consoles from America. E-bay is the one way you can still get it though, that is where I plan to sell the one I wait in line for 2 days to get. I have some credit cards that need paid off. I know a lot of you will flame me just because I'm American, but I never said I was proud to be American. I just try to pay my bills, raise my daughter, and support my family. I wonder everyday what idiotic decision our President will make next. I almost think I souldn't waste my time to vote anymore.

Well I think if someone sells a Jap PS3 on ebay it will go for very silly prices(much more than the 360 was at launch on ebay!!), thats if anyone will buy it in the first place. It will now create an illegal activity on importing sony goods around the world....

I'm not buying a PS3 anyway!

I'll never buy Sony products again!!

We love you Lik-sang

It is sony:

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i doubt any means of doing anything like writing a petition is gonna do any good

i doubt it will work

sony's not gonna care about what some people who live under basements, under the finance of their parents, or just some casual gamer. all's they care about is their business.

and i doubt that there will be a boycott of ps3. i bet half of the people wont even care, infact the other half of the people who do care, bet half of them will go on and buy the ps3 as normal

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

i doubt any means of doing anything like writing a petition is gonna do any good

i doubt it will work

sony's not gonna care about what some people who live under basements, under the finance of their parents, or just some casual gamer. all's they care about is their business.

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Trouble is most of Sony's console buisness tends to be funded by people who live under basements, under the finace of their parents. I know there's been a large shift (not unsurprisingly) to the 18-35 demographic, but still they just see people who boycott their hardware as a market they weren't going to sell to anyway.

Surely Sony's actions are against our human rights - depriving us of something others have easy access to? Sony can stick their new products where the sun doesn't shine - I'll buy secondhand from now-on so they won't get extra sales revenue. I might even start bittorenting (good old PSP FW1.5).

Anyway I've just bought a JAMMA cabinet so no money for PS3 now anyway, even if I wanted one (which I don't!)

sony just quiet simply suck they can stuff the ps 3 where the sun dont shine im sticking with my x box 360

i say a boycott is in order but not only for the ps3 but all sony products.

i also say if you are going to buy sony products make sure to get them second hand so sony gets no money for them .. and only buy things that sony looses money on.

screw them .. they wanna lock out renting games and dvd's they want you to pay the same price repeatedly for the same exact shit they sold 5 even 10 years ago. i say **** them BIGTIME!!

Lol! JKKDARK! :D

$ony = Shin-Ra

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Originally Posted by ExcruciationX

Lol! JKKDARK! :D

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Ya, pretty funny but it hits the nail on the head:)

Gawd, what is up with all you people? YES, Sony is a money-grubbing, greedy corporation, and this is evidence of it. But, then again, what big company isn't? I don't hate Sony, I don't hate MS, I don't hate Nintendo. They do what they've always done...make money. And they'll do anything to bring down companies that'll compromise their money-making abilities.

So, if you must bash a company, bash them all. Both Nintendo and MS threatened to sue LS back when they sold mod-chips. And LS listened and obeyed quietly. When Sony told LS to stop selling import consoles, LS did nothing.

So, in the end, you can't blame Sony any more than you can blame a shark for attacking unsuspecting surfers. It is in the nature for a money-sucking company such as Sony to act as such.

Boycotting Sony? What message are you trying to get across to them? "Don't be greedy"? I don't think Sony will stop being greedy with a simple boycott or petition. My creed? Buy their products if you like the products, if you don't like the products, then don't. Simple as that. Ethics is something that cannot exist in big-business. And this is true of Sony, MS, and Nintendo.

dam sony. I also was planning to buy a ps3 but not now. What they are doing is wrong, unethical, immoral and I'll never ever buy sony again. I hope they rot in hell!!!