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I think I'll let these motivational posters do the talking for me:
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LOL!!! :rofl: That was funny! :thumbup:Quote:
Originally Posted by Smurph
I'm not jumping in to a religous discussion again. I'm Athiest, and I'll just leave you with that.
Smurphs first picture reminded of a sick but true fact about beliefs in american society. More kids now know Ronald McDonald then they do Jesus.
I think you missed the point.Quote:
Originally Posted by C0R3F1GHT3R
No, that's not what it means. It went completely over your head. Who cares if kids don't know who Jesus is?Quote:
Originally Posted by C0R3F1GHT3R
It means all religions worship a clown. I'm sure some of you know what I think of this, so I'm staying neutral.
now we are getting into conceptual art,. awesome,Quote:
Originally Posted by ExcruciationX
What does this one mean?:thumbup:
At first I thought maybe it was the immoratl eye of God collpasing into an infinit sea of cascading warm embrace,
Then I thought maybe its just some spilled cofee :rofl:
* ahh preception is everything when it comes to art I suppose :)
It kinda looks like a warped MK dragon.
I never saw that untill you mentioned it,Quote:
Originally Posted by dejkirkby
just another example of perceptions and how it effects how we appricate things :cool:
i just see a ink blot, and i am doing a fine art degree...
annyway!
dont give up on me....get a dictionary
Wow, it's really erotic!
bull
wow, dude, I cannot believe that you started a thread based on religion...Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowprophet
But, I have come to spread my opinion, as that is what the forums are for lol...
be fore-warned, its a long ass post...
and I have attached my theories on the arguements against (and for) the existance of god as a txt file
now, you say that people with no beliefs in God are immoral? I think that you need to take a Philosophy class here dude, because I dont think that your theory matches up...
people that don't believe in God, don't for so many reasons, most christians cant even immagine. at the same time, people that belive in god, see from one perspective.. if you consider the reasons from the non-beleiving point of view, why is it that you call those people "immoral"??
you believe that someone that doesent believe in God has no moral guidence? no rules through life?? I declaire BS on that...
its the ethics of the world man, there are a lot of different theories for ethics, but only 1 is accualy based on religion..
even after that, you have to realize that the ethics based on religion is flawed, it has been changed so many times, even just in the last 100 years...
Consider Marijuana, this "Herb" was refered to several times in the bible, however... has recently been removed due to other people modifying the bible.
that doesn't mean that people that choose to say that the bible is just another book, are immoral... it means that they realize that it truly is just another book..
I would realy enjoy changing someone's mind on here about this little suggestion that all athiests are immoral (whether or not you said thats what you mean, thats what it ment)
and why would you not feal comfortable around someone that didn't believe the same thing as you?!? dont you think that is just a little wrong?
just check this option out...
where I live we have gangs, not many, but they do exist.. they will claim to be before God, and expect to go to heaven.. they are always at church on sundays.. but I have been robbed by them, and beaten up in my local park by them... now, explain to me how an athiest would do that??
first off, athiests are the group of humans that are smart enough to realize that the wool that has been pulled over their eye's is not true.. no matter what you may think, its got to do with realization.. not faith, not expectation, not because they want to be different..
its because they realize that there is no God, they realize that there is no reason for God to exist, they realize that all evedence points twards the non-existance of God..
most of the time now-a-days, you see pepole becoming religious after the age of 70... anyone know why???
its because there is an ego boosting thing now telling you that your life after you die is going to be better..
but that leads me anyway to ask the question... why would an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being force his "creation" through this 80-100 year test...
it seems assinine to think that you will have a better life when you die, if you do all this stuff...
and at the same time, it seems evil that people will look down on athiests, as they will be going to hell... I see that all the time, I see christians telling others that they will be going to hell, "but I will be going to heaven"
but this is thhe group of people you would trust more then the intellegent athiest??
that is about all I have to say in this post, but if someone wants to argue on any of my theories, I will be back lol...
And also I am going to post my first real philosophy paper based on the information supporting and arguing against the existance of God. I think its good, someone read it lol...
I think at some point, you missed my point, its Not about God, its about the generalization of haveing strong beliefes ,that build strong character, If somone believed strongly enough in in a rubber band to give them hope and faith, to give them some sort of deeper meaning to life then just the every day grind, im fine with that, But my point was almost completely missed, here, yes , yes I do believe in God, but thats only a personal view.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman420
My point Goes on to something that really wasnt conveyed properly in my first post. i believe, that unless someone has found something to give them hope in existance beyond death, they lead a shallow and empty life :( devoid of the happyness that hope, even if it was false hope, can give one in an otherwise hopless situation that is beyond our controll, my underline meaning behind the entire first post, was the natural human fear of death and the ways people cope with it.
death is an issue that for lack of proper words, terrifies me. It's a subjet I ponder more then any healthy person should, concidering the hold that the fear of it has over me.
Because if you put real thought into it bro, and i can see you have, religion, all religion. is little more then then a diversion to calm society of there own fear of death. ( thats not to say i dont hold true to my own beliefs~ I believe them fully. But come on, at the same time im not gullible and weak minded. there may be truth to some If not all religion, over time, differnt people with different views,,different launguages and different cultures, took religion in under there own perceptions, surely only a fool would expect the truth to be the same for everyone, everywhere in every culture.
there bro, does that clear things up any :cool:
@ accordian boy,
normaly bro, I woudlnt stop to pick back at people that are spelling nazis however , I Had to in this case (accordion boy, i couldnt pass up the temptation), * Should i pick you up a dictionary too while im out lol :P
By the way, you should pm, kaiser, it wouldnt take him a split seconed to fix that for you :)
that comment was a reaction to a misinterpretation of my previous posts, and someone thinking i was talking of conspiracy...it seems my meaning was not conveyed in the best way, or that it simply cannot be conveyed in any better way at my current understanding of 'my' theory....which is a shame.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowprophet
as to the spelling of accordion...well ive become somewhat attatched to the mistake[which i realised the day after i made the account], although perhaps it wouldnt hurt...hmm.
and as further comment... perhaps self importance is the greatest disease of them all.
I was just razzing ya anyway bro :DQuote:
Originally Posted by accordian boy
* I cant wait for jmans reply, hes seems quite the interesting conversationelest.
hmmm, by my theory on society as one being, then you are right; religion is a diversion, but not to calm society, but to calm and restrain the people. in my reasoning 'society' is in many ways everything, the force which binds us together. perhaps 'society' is 'god'. however not the creator, atleast not the original. though how would we know.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowprophet
i suppose our combined [sub]consciousness become a separate entity from the people, and this entity is what controls us. canabilism at its most extravagant!
While every word you said the above post, is prefectly logical. and I could agree to it. to do so would place a person of my beliefs in dire strights.Quote:
Originally Posted by accordian boy
You see religion isnt just a form of conditioning, its like you mentiond above it restrains me from agreeing that society could indeed be the force ( God)
and only permits me with few options, I can dissagree, or acording to my own conditioned beliefs agree and not only be wrong , but have sinned aswell, religion get awfully complicated on touchy issues like that.
however to add to that confusion, In the bible it sais what is true on earth shall be made true in heaven, what that means is of you have unfinished buisness, like debts you owe or people you offended and never set things right. those offences and offences like it will still be held accountible to you when you stand before judgment.
However, one could also precive that as,
*example, lets assume for one moment hitler had won world war two, history would have painted a different picture of the man, instead of being a monster, he woudl have been a hero and saviour.....
If people precived him as a hero and a saviour, then must God also precive him that way?
Food for thought.
your point on social views was porweful stuff.
seriously something to think about.
I strongly recommend a book to all those interested in the 'God question'. Its called The God Delusion
Its taken from the completely atheist view of none other than Richard Dawkins. It is purely philosophical and is a great read. Its also a nice change from all that senseless creationist blabber. Although I can say with certainty that I do not agree with Dawkins on the most fundamental principles of God, I found his views incredibly interesting. He discusses the existence(non-existence) of God in depth and goes on to tackle philosophical brain candy like morality without God. It also shines some light on the many hypocrisies of religion itself, pointing out the endless flaws and contradictions within The Holy Bible.
Personally, I believe in a higher entity. Also I believe that all the holy scriptures in existence today are extreme distortions of the truth. I prefer to think of such texts as life guides rather than to take them literally. Therefore I can say I am spiritual but not religious.
I believe that all those claiming to be part of 'religions' are deeply selfish and many are only interested in self-preservation. I find modern religions themselves perversely selfish as they try and control the path to spiritual enlightenment. They scare people into adopting their belief systems with threats of eternal pain and tempt them with promises of eternal happiness. They are constantly in dispute with each other over the minor and ultimately irrelevant details of God and all the time are preventing each other of gaining a better understanding of the universe. I ask you this: How could our creator, the one who breathed life into us and indeed the entire universe even think of inflicting eternal pain on his creations? Hell is a sick lie created by those who would have you adopt their twisted interpretation of God.
i started this post hoping to explain that shadowprophet is still living within the realms of my theory...not that he should feel he needs to, or that i need him to...but as merely a way of expanding my theory to a more satisfying level in my own understanding of it. however it seems in my youth i am not capaple of comprehending the ideas which flow through me at such speed into a recognisable form. all i can do for now is assert that i dont believe that religion is 'wrong', or indeed the social condition we follow...and so, i regret to say; i will postpone my full reply until i am able. if ever such a time comes.
as to the matter of Dawkins, although i agree wholly to the meme theory [ my own being a direct expansion of such] i dont believe dawkins as the source of such ideas and perhaps never will. for me Dawkins has always emitted a rather bitter aspiration for popularity and therefore becomes void as he aspires for his self importance, and naively contradicts his own theories on religion.
I read it and thought it was poor actually, it's all very one-sided and angry, without any acceptance that religion does do some good in the world. Suggesting that stuff going on in Ireland is purely a religious argument and taking out the religion would solve all of the problems there (couldn't be any politics then obviously) and things like religious people being charitable and doing good deeds doesn't seem possible in his mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by BlackJack23
agreed, see aboveQuote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
ahhh heh, I'm doing my best to stay out of this thread, I'll start going off and posting long rants and nobody wants to read those :pQuote:
Originally Posted by accordian boy
i wouldnt mind
I like some of Richard Dawkins` views.. I think he is a smart man.. but he`s like the crazy christian on the corner unless you bend to his way of thinking youre going to his version of hell (stupidity here on earth)
same as another man who made the doco "The God who wasnt there"
you know how born again christians are a little bit over the top.. he`s like a born again athiest! so much hate towards the religion
extremists on both sides give their respective beliefs a bad name
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Originally Posted by shadowprophet
Well... that makes more sence, but... I still have a problem with your theory of happyness...
okay, so I see what you mean about life after death an all... and wanting to go somewhere better... but, at what cost?? you spend your real life (the only one your going to have) trying to apese a figment in hopes that when you die, you go somewhere better...
why isnt the idea of good, spend your life on this rock as best as you can... not with the constant worry that your being watched, not with the idea that your going to be judged if you drink, or smoke, or have sex with your girlfriend before your married or whatever...
instead of these things, instead of doing everything they want to do, its always a restriction... its just because they want a better life when they die... and thats what I dont understand.. I want the best life now, because its the only one I'm going to get..
and if you dont mind me saying, I still dont get how the common christian has any better moral values then a person with strong ethical education.. I am currently taking a college philosophy class that has covered ethics... and although there is a theory of ethics based on "divine Command" I think that ethics lie somewhere else... not with this fear of dying and going to "HELL"
but just for kicks, I'll even example how the theory of "Divine Command" asks the question, and how it still doesent answer any ethical questions... so the theory of Divine Command asks: "How do we know God's will?"
the answers are:
the Bible, (book that several different people wrote without any real proof of information... aswell as the fact that it has been changed so many times, that its not even the same book anymore...)
and
teaching institutions, (these are things like churches, religious schools, places like this... but they can enforce their own beliefs on people without them even knowing... it becomes combiluted with the idea of God's will...)
both of these two answer the questions of what is right, and what is wrong... but, they do not answer how things are right or wrong.. you can ask a pastor, is it right for me to use cannabis for personal use? and he will answer no.. you can ask the bible if its right and (aside from it being a very one sided conversation) the bible will say yes (provided its not an abridged, edited version) and this will lead you to a problem with ethics even when considering God as your base for things...
when you consider all the other options for ethics and finding whats right and wrong, there are so many more things to consider then church, and a book... things like, "how do the pro's and con's measure out?" other options are things like, if it doesnt hurt anyone, and makes you happy, it is the right thing to do.. but if it hurts people, and makes you happy, it is the wrong thing to do..
(sorry to use Cannabis as the example, but I'm writing an ethics essay on that right now... so its whats in my mind)
these are just ethics, but at the same time, there are 5 other theories that do not corrilate with God, and have to do with human desire, and the right for humanity to exist for happyness, and not for God...
and just as a final question, if God existed, why would he force his "perfect" creation through a test, that you have a 99% chance of failing??
(by this I do not mean that people do the wrong things, but simply that all people are born with the so-called "original sin" and will go to hell anyway...)
but yeah, to anyone that is reading this page, take an intro to philosophy class... or just look for the book I used in the bibliography of the essay I wrote on this subject...
religion just makes people to have a purpose and organize, without religion we will be like disorganized animals..... in a way( were animals, i know)
one question.. how can someone have better morals if theyre scared into having those morals
if one chooses to live by them of their own free will are they not a more highly evolved human?
christians may say its their free will thats lets them choose to live that way but they also choose to believe that they`ll get eternal damnation if they dont follow those guidelines
another thing.. how do you derive happiness from .. well any of the 3 books
The word laugh/laughter is mentioned only 9 times in the Quran 8 of them in the context
of ridicule or mockery as in: "Let them laugh a little: much will they weep" (009.082) or
"Those in sin used to laugh at those who believed" (083.029).
The Bible is not that much different the Old Testament, which consists of 24 Books,
mentions laugh/laughter all of 32 times in the New Testament which consists of 27 Books
laugh/laughter is mentioned just 6 times. For example, in James 4:9 it says: Be
afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to
heaviness.
(by contrast death/dead/slay/kill is mentioned 231 times in the Quran, 1,017 times in the
Old Testament, and 443 times in the New Testament.)
Humor and religion don't mix.
The problem with the bible and church, is they are some what seperated. Ive asked those very same questsions. The bible sais to take the herbs of the earth and use them.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman420
however there are many things people dont know about pot. Pot as we know it hasnt always been around, the hemp plant has always been, but it didnt always have thc in it.
Pot, it a crossbreed between hemp. and some other fern, I forget the name.
( however reguardless of that, Both plants where herbs, and I assume the creator saw this hybrid comeing at some point)
But pot as we know it has only exisisted for a few hundred years, And historicly has been proven to have been a creation of man. * this is as i understand it is the history of marijuana- however dont directly quote me on that, because even I dont know everything. ;p This is just the way I heard it lol .
Now as for the reasons the church has strong feelings aginst drugs and alcahol, come down to one stipulation. *obey mans laws, for what is true on earth shall be true in heaven.
If a law of the land is made here on earth. and you break that law. Even in gods eyes, You have broken the law and thusly sinned. ( provided the law isnt an unreasonible alienation of our own God given rights.
I hope that clears that up some what bro :thumbup:
time traveling people from the future wrote and encoded the bible to predict future events and ultimitly prevent them. There is a God or at least a higher being. jesus will show himself to all as a comit and assumpt all believers and leave the rest on earth
i don't really know truthfully :D
NOW THATS WHAT I'M TALKIN' BOUT'!Quote:
Originally Posted by opiate81
I agree fully, granted it takes away and put's down religion, I do agree that humans that think for themselves, and work on a theory of ethics (thats best for all) are more intellegent people.. it may seem strannge, but at the same time, its not a desire for the information to be handed to you... its not a way to always have a guide beside you, it means that your life is your own, and no figment or person has to be there to tell you what your ethics should be... I live for myself, never harm others, want to live in peace, and be what most people would refer to as a "hippie" without the proposision of God smiting me, and sending me to a place of eternal evil... just because I lived my life as a human, and not as a sheep, following what the so-called shepard said... there is no shepard now, there might have been once, but as I have considered (if God did once exist) once Jesus died, it seems like all of earth was SOL... (at least looking at the christian view) because there was no longer a guide, we were all just left alone for 2000 years now, to fend for ourselves... and if God is going to send me to hell for trying to think for myself, I think that we have one F%$KED UP DICTATOR!
just another thing I have considered recently is the idea of creation... if you think about the universe, (it gives me a headache) and I'm sure everyone else is the same way... if you honestly think about the reason for life on this rock, going around a giant ball of flaming gas, along with 8 other celestial objects, all within a group of stars held in a circle by Sygnis X1 (The Milky Way's black hole) in a universe of uncountable other galaxies of the same shape and size... you realize that there has to be a reason... but because most people are dumb (or just oblivious(or just dont care)) this is automaticly sent to the arguement of God, as the reason.. the people that accualy think about reason, and arent confused by a creator, can see the other reasons...
for instance, Cygnis X1, Milky Way's black hole, is whats holding our galaxy together, its the reason we are not floating around in space smashing into other stars and what-not... but at the same time, our sun is what's keeping Earth from crashing into other planets and stars and what-not..
I guess what I'm getting at is: Reason, over God...
Reason is what is created by humans to explain things (science if you will)
God was created by humans to explain things with no evedence or logic involved... simply just the easiest way to explain everything....
now! onto Pot.... people have accualy found THC resin on a rock in the mountians of the middle east and asia, dating back about 4000 years.. granted Cannabis (the plant) has not become widely used since the last few hundred years.. it was there for 3800 years before, and probobly even before that...
you can quote me, because believe it or not, I have researched and learned all I can about every drug on earth... (no, I havent used them, I just know everything about them, their origin, and what they do) :p
That. statment was very carefully worded, So dont mistake my generalization argument, as directly aimed at you.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman420
However this subjet does demand cross examination.
Since the dawn of exisistance, People have used this logic, Ohh these people believe in things they can not prove, in things i don't understand, therefore they must be unintelligent....
This narrow minded thinking shows its own ignorance if you put some thought into it.
Just because someone feels more comfortable in a group of people that follow a certain belief, doesn't mean there mentally weak if you where to ask me, I would say it shows intelligence in it's own right.
Even right now all of us flock to the forums for one reason or another, in an almost ritualistic manor, carry out our daily repetitive tasks, because we find something in this repetitive task we need.
humans are followers,learners, by nature.
in one turn those who proclaim mental independence of societies strong hold, while following the examples of there own roll models, seems very narrow minded to me.
The truth is. Even the most independent thinkers of all time , follow there own roll models examples. And i think that Just because people have a problem with God doesn't give them the right to go about (~insulting,~ insulting may be too harsh a word :\) others intelligence.
i can only think a truly enlightened individual would be more open minded toward other beliefs regarding intelligence and other cultures,even if those other cultures are directly adverse to them :thumbup:
You typed all of this out?Quote:
Originally Posted by jman420
This is the part of the post I liked the most. I'm happy that someone has talked some sense into this subject. The Catholics (Capitalized the letter "C", happy now?) don't want to admit that the bible is a flawed book, that is a shadow of what it once was.
@ accordion boy. After re-reading through this thread, I apologise for claiming you are Mel Gibson. I can kind of understand your point, but it's just some aspects of the way you explain it are a bit left field.
Yes, I know what you mean, I didn't mean intellegent, in a sence of being better, smarter people, I simply ment, that the people that dont live by religion, think for themselves, and dont live for someone else's thoughts and beliefs... Now, I will admit that quite a few people do live for themselves, without being religious, and are intellegent, and smart, and intresting people, and they do do things that seem wrong.. however, they still always have a sence of ethics... but then you always have the people that do live their life by religion.. they still only live their (only) life in fear.. fear that if they do anything that is not stated as right (by the bible and church an all) they will go to hell.. almost giving religion an upper hand in the sence of being a "scare tactic"... which of course, is kind of the subject at hand, as you said that people without religion will have a lesser sence of what is right, and what is wrong... but still, people that live their lives by religion, live as slaves to their beliefs.. people that live with their own beliefs, will live as themselves... and I guess thats my point for this whole thing... I live my life as I live it.. I do not consider my so-called "afterlife" because I know when I die, its the end... there is no more... once the electricity is gone from my brain, I no longer think... there isnt a shiny gate in front of me, there is nothing... because my conciousness is the only thing that keeps me alive now.. if I didnt have that ie. I died, I would stop thinking, and therefor, quit being alive (ironic isn't it? lol) so in summation, I live for me now, improve my life, improve humanity, have children to exist continuing my species, and one day die, and fade away...Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowprophet
when you bring heaven and hell into this, people dont worry about dying, they think that they will exist forever.. but because they want this so badly, they sacrifice their only life, to have one when they die... I dont honestly want to exist forever, when I'm old and die, I will consider the life I had, and not want anymore... there is no reason to exist forever... but to most people, they will give up the rights as humans, to go to a place of peace and happyness... (sounds kinda, assinine doesen't it???) yet, we are nothing more then animals, and nobody has ever considered killing deer as "I wonder if that guy is going to heaven???" because they dont care... they think that humans, and humans only will be going to this place of happy fantasy...
but at the same time, it makes it sound like thats all they are going to be good for... the only reason they obey these laws I have said, is because they want to be better then the people going to hell... they want to go to this place of unimagineable wonder... the only reason I'd want to go to heaven is to ask God 3 things... "W?, T?, F?"...
yes, I did type all you see on here lol... but yes, I agree, The Bible was once a book based on the stories of God, and the people that supposedly were connected to God.. but, even King James (probobly the most used bible version ever) even King James did modify many things... (not the king himself, but people did it for him) anyway! but yeah, it has been changed from the once, quality book...Quote:
Originally Posted by ExcruciationX
but even then, you dont see people living their lives by other books of fiction... so why are the many different bible's, the rules for life...
granted they may have the word "Holy" printed on the cover, it doesent mean that they are in fact written as holy... God didnt write the Bible, humans on earth, with a story to tell wrote it....
and just to cover all religions, I do say "The Bible" but I am accualy refering to all holy stories.. not just the Christian-Catholic Bible...
I honestly am enjoying this conversation, and do hope that this doesent get locked due to it being on religion and all.. but if there's one thing I enjoy more then anything else, its having other people understand my opinion... so thanks:thumbup:
my problem with the whole atheist thing, is as follows
-lets talk about our two hands as an analogy-
if left never existed, would right either?
now i dont follow [for my self] any standardised religion. but opposition for the sake of opposition is needless and green* and actually my theory works as direct counter to Jman420's...which is good, now i need to investigate further...
[thank you very much for this thread....society! :p
*Nods like the people in the crowd during those religious speeches on TV.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman420
He's so right people!
haha..green childQuote:
Originally Posted by ExcruciationX
...blades of irony cannot caress!!!
Ok before I start I will say I am an agnostic. I don't believe much of the bible is true and I believe we evolved. But I don't deny the possibility of a higher being.
I believe that most people believe in a higher being so that they find meaning in their life, like they believe they need to believe in God or else they believe their life is meaningless.
The problem with any religion is there is no evidence supporting them. Some Christians actually try to use cases where psychotic people even thought they were in heaven as evidence.
I believe religion is ok as long as people keep it to themselves and don't try and push it on other people. I would say the teachings of Jesus are alright, but when Christians use the bible to promote political decisions (namely on gay marriage, abortion, stem cell research, etc.) I don't think that is ok and actually anti-Christian.
What I believe is the worst with religion is the push to teach religion in school (creationism/intelligent design.)
Just my two cents.
I think, that there's a lot of members in here,
who didn't believe in God. the christian God.
But remember that someones up there loves you, needs you, and care about you.
If someone up there loved me, why would I be tested on this rock, to find out if I was worthy of being with God???
None of it makes sence... Even if God existed, I don't think I would care... It's more like I would be pist at God for torturing me through this lifetime, never knowing what was up, then showing up in heaven, and getting rejected, sent to hell, and spending all eternity in pain and what-not...
thats my problem with there being someone up there... God would be the biggest panz in the universe, because he refuses to show himself...
And likeSSaxdude said:
"Some Christians actually try to use cases where psychotic people even thought they were in heaven as evidence."
thats true, this is the only thing that any religionn has to go on.. if you think about it, Jesus, 2010 years ago, nobody knew about mental illnensses, so why is it that one man 2010 years ago talking about being the son of God, tweaking out in forrests, seeing things that nobody else could see, thinking that he was a genious because he could ferment wine, being intirely sure he was the master of the human race...
that is what people base the largest religion(Cult) on.. that is the backbone of society... but why??
that is why I was talking about ethics before, ethics and the understanding of the possability that these ideas that have been posed, could be false.. and that religion is just there to controll humanity..
anyway, untill someone comments! I'll leave it at that
Jesus was an extraterrestrial.Quote:
Originally Posted by jman420