Saddam Hussein was without a doubt a bad man.
But he was no hitler.
Hitler did way way worse then saddam:(
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Saddam Hussein was without a doubt a bad man.
But he was no hitler.
Hitler did way way worse then saddam:(
no, the news stations around the world cut the video....those lucky b*s*a*d* got to see it live...but they deserved to watch it i guess...with all that S*** that happen to 'em becaused of saddamQuote:
Originally Posted by VampDude
i still remember that a group of terrorist cut the head out of this soldier
America invaded Iraq due to the fact that Saddam Hussein was a direct threat to America, he was developing weapons with which to attack the US.
It's been since proven that this was clearly utter crap. So lets not patronise ourselves by talking about terrorism or 'liberating' Iraqi people. These have nothing to do with the reason why the country was invaded. These are all buzzwords put out there by a Government that wanted an uncooperative dictator out of the way (they'd much prefer someone who treats their people just as bad, but will pander to US wants if previous form stands true).
What new threat did Saddam present? none actually, his country was relatively stable, the things Saddam was trialled for were over 10 years old, he's no worse than numerous leaders of countries around the world that have the full support of the US government. He was attacked to settle old scores Bush's dad never managed to deal with. Which is fine until you think of the thousands of civilians and soldiers who have died for this cause.
I'm completely against the death penalty personally, it's barbaric and outdated. What impression do you give to your people if you say people can be murdered... but only if they deserve it. Who's to say who deserves to die? Irrespective of that, yes it's good Saddam is no longer in a position of power, one less evil dictator in the world is always a good thing, but let's be honest about the situation here, if we're going to be condemning someone who's caused the death of thousands of people allegedly, let's make sure our hands are ultra clean ourselves.
Not sure why you guys actually want to watch someone being murdered, that's just horrible- and don't post links here please.
^ a well put point!
as i think of it another reson that the US went into iraq was mainly for "illegibly" oil. Wasnt there a big fuss that the US went into iraq for it? Did the US even find "wepons of mass desturction"? There are still many things unknown and left to be answered. Also i can't say i justify the death sentence of saddam or anyone for that matter, as people we don't have say to weather someone should live or die. Its actually funny to see how people even those who are very religious would say,"im glad saddam is out of power even if he was put to death".
Im gald that a dictator is out of power as thats all well and good. But as we see in any storie when one evil is destroyed a more powerful one comes into place, its only a matter of time........
I play to many RPG games!
who cares, he's dead now!
How about the rest of his life in prison, and they feed him only oatmeal.Quote:
Originally Posted by the_eternal_dark
Let's also remember that Saddam was hanged for killing 148 people, not the thousands he did over a period of 20 years (estimates in the 200,000s.)
I'd prefer him being fed moldy bread crumbs, but you know, to each his own...Quote:
Originally Posted by SSaxdude
Yes, as a matter of fact we did find them.Quote:
Originally Posted by gunntims0103
I don't know all the details, but I know that we found them.
they just wanted enought to kill him...if they did want to do everything he did, it would take forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by SSaxdude
so if he cooperated with the president, he'd be fine? what about all the cities he destroyed? if saddam was cooperating with you would you let him live? if he said that you and him would take over the world one by one by destroying everything in site, would you say that that was ok? people who kill are the ones who deserve to die. an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth. if i was to pick a way for saddam to die, it would be that every iraqi (srry for the mispelling) that had a family member that died because of saddam, every person that was wounded because of him, stuck one needle in him. do you know how painfull archipuncture is? imagine, hundreds of thousands of needles...although hanging is pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
Hahahahaha clearly you should know all of the details because this time no weapons of mass destruction were found!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalBread
Christ almighty!!
Tell you what, geezer who moaned about oil and non-cooperation with US Presidents was right... but he started the post with "a stable country"...
Stable my arse :rofl: Only stable in your mind because none of the news of torture and oppression was newsworthy enough for the US media... stable? You obviously haven't got a clue about thousands of starving people thanks to Mr-oh-so-hard-done-by-Hussein's stubborn bullshit and non compliance with UN weapons inspectors resulting in UN sanctions.
He could have ended his people's suffering in an instant, probably built another couple of palaces in the meantime.
Selective memory seems to be a speciality when it comes to political discussions with you guys.
Really now? Why don't you have a look at this.
Well pal, I did read that - and this is the bit that stood out for me:
"This does not reflect a capacity that was built up after 1991," the official said, adding the munitions "are not the WMDs this country and the rest of the world believed Iraq had, and not the WMDs for which this country went to war."
How do we know that? Does it matter if those are the ones we went to war over?Quote:
Originally Posted by lforster
Regardless, they are weapons of mass destruction.
You pedantic loaf. I knew that's what you'd come back with and yes it does matter if they're the ones we went to war over.Quote:
Originally Posted by TacticalBread
Read the article - it says that they weren't in a usable state. So in reality, they weren't WMDs, they were completely useless hunks of junk and chemicals long past their use by date.
The US (and the UK stupidly) went to invade Iraq because of WMDs that were being produced and stockpiled for some evil deed. They had no evidence of that, and nothing has EVER been found apart from some relics from the 90s Gulf war.
RESPOND.
Does it really matter that they were not functional?
We found WMDs.
This proves that he had the power and the ability to make functional ones, and was probably planning to.
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But they do show that Saddam Hussein was lying when he said all weapons had been destroyed, and it shows that years of on-again, off-again weapons inspections did not uncover these munitions.
Yes it matters. It's not like we can invade a country on a whim, it's big time - you say you're invading them to overthrow a dictator who is planning to wipe out civilization with weapons of mass destruction you'd better damned well be sure that those FUNCTIONING weapons of mass destruction exist!
Edit: You have no desire to listen to reason... these IDIOTS were assuming that he MAY have the capacity to resume some sort of weapons program. This is the biggest load of crap ever and I cannot believe that you are even trying to debate this.
I am as happy as Larry (himself) that Saddam Hussein is proceeding to decompose in a box, but I will NOT listen to people trying to justify it with "facts" that are actually American assumption and false intelligence.
I will re-iterate, that non functioning weapons missed out from the Gulf war, are not a reason to invade a country and throw it into civil war.
First of all, he had done it before. He tried to wipe out a certain race.
Second, he was harboring terrorist, and unless you are one, are against them.
Hahahaha are you reading that from a Bush press conference or something?!
Saddam dead = good.
Lies justifying invasion of Iraq in the first place = bad.
That's all I'll say on the matter because I am on the boat from Junon and I need to speak to Hojo soon.
GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR.
[QUOTE=WHurricane16;314241]
You said it brother!!!!! I'm sure glad there is more people like you in this world, than the pantie wearing b*****s that want to take over the world. (Binky)LOL..:D let's go to dinner and talk things out. Ha. what that really means is " how fat will you make my pocket" so I can re-run for election. Jackasses just Fat jackasses.
Dafe.:thumbup:
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Originally Posted by lforster
yea bread, they were just playing nice with the WMDs, they werent going to do anything with them that was wrong. :rofl:
Just like UK and US stockpile nuclear weapons so they can be used for peaceful purposes yes.
No, we stock pile them so we can kill ass*****Quote:
Originally Posted by lforster
that want to kill us. the biggest country in the world. duh!!!!I really don't know why you are acting like this, are you doing something to help the cause???? no probably not just like the rest of the liberals. why don't you go fight and try to help instead of trying to hurt all our troops that are there.???? if I wasn't the only child, I would go and help in a heart beat, but I can't so instead I stay here and support the one's that can. why not try helping SIR?
Dafe.
You misunderstand me.Quote:
so if he cooperated with the president, he'd be fine? what about all the cities he destroyed? if saddam was cooperating with you would you let him live? if he said that you and him would take over the world one by one by destroying everything in site, would you say that that was ok?
Across the globe there are lots of nations with corrupt leaders who routinely torture thier people and commit atrocities daily. Why doesn't George Bush 'liberate' all of these nations? Because the reason he invaded wasn't to liberate those people, it was to get Saddam out of power and get in someone else who would continue keeping the people down but would give America access to cheap oil, cheap labour and allow the US government to have a military base in that country (always good things to have if you fancy continuing attacking countries in the area).
Yes Saddam was a wicked man and it's good he's not in power, but the reason why Iraq was invaded was nothing to do with that. It was a strategic military/economic move.
Hahah yeah if you read my previous posts I'm actually happy that everything happened the way it did, however you have to accept that it was based on a foundation of lies.Quote:
Originally Posted by dafe1er
I will not shutup when it is a fact.
I support the efforts of the UK troops, and I'm sure the American troops are just lovely too (love the pictures they took of the Iraqi prisoners in various poses - good job there!)
Yeah that's spot on. You were wrong about the country being stable when you said that earlier though.Quote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
How can anyone disagree with this comment?Quote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
I live in the U.S. This is exactly what happened...
Anyone who believes otherwise is either a fool. Or bleeding heart naive fool.
uh, America, kiking ass, one country at a timeQuote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
jk yeahhhhhhhhhh you might hav a point
well... I meant relatively so, there weren't mass killings going on at the time and it was certainly more stable than it is currently or anytime in the foreseeable future.Quote:
Originally Posted by lforster
Lets hope things get a lot better from now on though...
The WMDs supposedly found in Iraq were left over from the 90s.
I'm glad you are a supporter and that makes me happy, but who really cares about picture's??? don't think it was just us troops doing that lets not make this a race/country thing please. it is what we haven't seen that makes me and probably all of us wounder. to tell you the truth I really don't care for bush, or any "real" politics, because they are all trying to feed there own pockets, and not help there own people. I see starving people and bad things happening all around me, and they are not really doing anything to stop that here in the state's, until it is election time and even then it is about the money. and yes I do agree some what about it being about the oil, hell why should I pay tons of money for gas???????? and one more thing I never said shut up, you and I do (last I checked) still have the right to free speech so by all means carry on. so that's all I have to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by lforster
Happy new year to all of you from me and my family.!!!!!
Dafe.
oh, i guess 90s WMDs arent real WMDsQuote:
Originally Posted by SSaxdude
Video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...42717556560160
And here's me expecting a spectacular escape by Saddam at the last minute :(
Any WMDs that Iraq had were the ones the US government sold them when Iraq was 'on thier side' in the 90s and America wanted rid of a different leader in the middle east. Amazing how little things have moved on. :(
And Dafe, when you're driving around your inexpensive to run car, don't worry about all the people murdered for that gas. Seriously don't let that be a nag to your conscience- You DESERVE cheap gas.
saddam killed 3 of my dads cuzins:( may he rot in helll
that video http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1734042717556560160 made my day
he did? wow?:(Quote:
Originally Posted by s1k0
No, it just doesn't mean that Iraq had WMDs that they planned on using.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamerremag
Similar to how Osama bin Laden had military training from the US and he used one of our bombs on the WTC in 1993.Quote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
Yeah and yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by dafe1er
i enjoyed hearing the *krack* sound, HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL
Though you couldn't hear him shitting his pants at that moment, which was surely to happen by the way.Quote:
Originally Posted by gamerremag