[Release] Legend Of Zelda - Quest Of Link

I was wondering about that too....

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Originally Posted by Vega

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Originally Posted by scarph

well who's to say if it's a good game, it may be a bad game.

There's really nothing wrong with taking the zelda theme, but then to say don't take my ideas, you could do without that.

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play it ??

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lol, well said



Zion,
just tried it, GREAT JOB! um, this might be a really bad time to ask and it might not be wise to ask all together, but... When you say you dont want people stealing your ideas, what exactly does that include? ive been working on my own zelda game for psp and i like how you did the area images, and a few other things. i already have all the graphics i need so im not taking yours but do you mind if i use some of your programming techniques in my game? i'll certainly give you credit for them. thanx, -AbE

Err, it's your fault for bricking your PSP, not Dark_AleX's... Don't be a douche and point the blame when it's your fault you screwed something up with a downgrade or custom firmware...

Learn to take responsiblity for your own screw ups... If thousands of others used an app and it worked without a hitch, I can hardly call it the dev's fault...

how the hell do i get throgh the front door i have been trying ages

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Originally Posted by IamAbe

lol, well said
Zion,
just tried it, GREAT JOB! um, this might be a really bad time to ask and it might not be wise to ask all together, but... When you say you dont want people stealing your ideas, what exactly does that include? ive been working on my own zelda game for psp and i like how you did the area images, and a few other things. i already have all the graphics i need so im not taking yours but do you mind if i use some of your programming techniques in my game? i'll certainly give you credit for them. thanx, -AbE

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to me that sounds like the fair way of doing things.

i havent had time to try this yet (i've been in the studio all day) but i'm guessing Zion was referring to certain little "traits" that his game that these style of RPGs dont usually have? (i hate calling it an RPG - it's not Dungeon Master!!)

i'm always one to encourage cross-pollenation between coders and other artists, so perhaps you could team up with Zion directly, and inter-link your projects?

this saves any "uproar" about where ideas / techniques have come from, and allows a better end-product as more people demonstate their abilities in specific areas.

you might be able to bering a fresh angle to Zion's project that he hadnt considered, and vice-versa.

there's never any harm in discussing such matters... i think Zion was only going to be annoyed if next week a game exactly like his came out but with a new gfx set! (and someone claiming it to be "all theirs")



@ quzar - i couldnt tell if your comment to me was sarcastic or not! (oh well, the end-result was the same ;) )



edit; funnily enough, reading back, i've had a thought......

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It's sad that you choose to show homage by stealing intellectual property.

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from definition of homage - a reference within a creative work to someone who greatly influenced the artist would be an homage.

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it's a bit hard to show homage and NOT steal intellectual property (to some extent) when you think about it.

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Originally Posted by dagger89

Err, it's your fault for bricking your PSP, not Dark_AleX's... Don't be a douche and point the blame when it's your fault you screwed something up with a downgrade or custom firmware...

Learn to take responsiblity for your own screw ups... If thousands of others used an app and it worked without a hitch, I can hardly call it the dev's fault...

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Please keep your comments to your ****ing self. No one else gives two shits about what you think.

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

to me that sounds like the fair way of doing things.

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I agree, which is why I'm puzzled by the fact that everyone here seems to think that all homebrew authors are deserving of that respect (and even money, donations, free psps, etc) while those behind commercial works are not.

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Originally Posted by Hungry Horace

@ quzar - i couldnt tell if your comment to me was sarcastic or not! (oh well, the end-result was the same ;) )

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It was in earnest. By the way, in case anybody were to pester about it, I did not simply ban him, all I did was give him a warning. He had however passed the maximum number of allowed warning points, and so was automatically temporarily banned.

edit: as for your edited addon: there is a difference between fuzzy-line IP theft, and blatant. Naming the game Legend of Zelda, hrm questionable, but it is clearly fan made, so whatever. Making gameplay almost identical, as you said, there are few game archtypes. Using art taken directly from the game you intend to mimic, too far.

It happens all the time, it's usually tolerated because the companies that own the IP know about it and could throw out C&Ds if they wanted to. Thats why this isn't taken down. I posted about this in specific because of the fact that Zion specifically stated he didn't want others to steal 'his' ideas. What audacity.

how i get out of door

Good work

By steal i only meant stuff like my intro menu idea etc obviously anyone can make a zelda game i think its pretty obvious of the new things that arent usually in a zelda game :p

thanks to everyone who enjoyed it,

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Originally Posted by splodger15

Please keep your comments to your ****ing self. No one else gives two shits about what you think.

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Another bonehead who takes the side of Zion... It's his fault it was bricked, not DA, did Dark_AleX run the program on the PSP? I doubt it...

Oh, and for the record, I can say whatever the **** I want, I don't need some bonehead backseat mod trying to tell me off...

how i get out of door or that that the end of the game

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Originally Posted by quzar

That was most certainly not flaming.



Neither I, nor any other currently acting member of staff has ever banned somebody due to simply disagreeing with them. If you were banned, you broke the rules of the forum, repeatedly or severely. Ban evasion, is also a bannable offense, by the way.



How so? I did not insult him, nor his work, I'm sure he has done a great job. I was simply expressing my opinion that he should not have used art that did not belong to him (and that it is legally dubious, hence the use of the term steal).



Good point, thanks for making it more obvious.

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quzar just apologize for being misunderstood so that there is no flame war, anyways great game but can you walk out the door :confused:

i dont think you can cos look on the furniture file there is just his house

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Originally Posted by dagger89

Another bonehead who takes the side of Zion... It's his fault it was bricked, not DA, did Dark_AleX run the program on the PSP? I doubt it...

Oh, and for the record, I can say whatever the **** I want, I don't need some bonehead backseat mod trying to tell me off...

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I would rather take the side of Zion. Instead of a ****ing noob like you.

Oh no, called a noob by some guy with 3131 posts on an internet forum, o whatever will I do? Oh, that's right, not give a damn...

Insults from a teen with no life and friends on an internet forum, so insulting... Fuck off

dagger89, if you don't stop flaming you risk getting banned.

No you cant walk out of the door :p

i was working on that next but then the brickage happpened :(

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Originally Posted by dagger89

Oh no, called a noob by some guy with 3131 posts on an internet forum, o whatever will I do? Oh, that's right, not give a damn...

Insults from a teen with no life and friends on an internet forum, so insulting... Fuck off

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Wow so immature for a grown adult. Hmmm

back to school should do the trick.

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Originally Posted by quzar

It's sad that you choose to show homage by stealing intellectual property.

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if i understand right, the only "stolen" thing is the trademark of "zelda"

and even that isnt theft

if all the sprites and source are original, then there is no ip theft here

edit: actually, trademarks are IP but big whoop. if ninty didnt like it, they could ask him to stop using it, but they do like it because it increaces the popularity of their franchise

Why is it that an many new release threads there seems to be so much tension and flaming?

I can see the point that people are making about Zion's phrasing of the use of IP but similarly he did state that the game was a WIP. Perhaps his plan was that they could eventually be replaced and are currently only place holder? Who knows, but Zion himself.

Please, everyone just take a chill pill..... ;)

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Originally Posted by Zion

No you cant walk out of the door :p

i was working on that next but then the brickage happpened :(

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Ah okay...thanks for saying. I just hope you can get another PSP soon and continue this good looking game!

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Originally Posted by splodger15

I would rather take the side of Zion. Instead of a ****ing noob like you.

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Originally Posted by dagger89

Insults from a teen with no life and friends on an internet forum, so insulting... Fuck off

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play nicely children.

we've already had one banning off the back of this thread.

lets not make it 3.


Quzar - i certainly see your point, but i also see Zion's... (i dont genuinely believe he was asking ppl not to rip-off the elemets of his game that is a take from Zelda! - rather those parts he has bought into the mix)


the whole IP thing is definately a messy grey area, and perhaps what was said wasnt always done with the best of phrasing, but i think there needs to be no beef here regarding the matter.

lets all move on and enjoy this bit of homebrew, and hope it doesnt go without development too long.

Who got banned. In this thread

Edit - I saw scarph was banned then is that permanent

omfg, cant everyone just chill out!?!?!? why does everyone here feel the need to flame??? for shame!

Ok let me elborate on this whole steal the art thing

Now quzar said
"It's sad that you choose to show homage by stealing intellectual property."

yes very good choice of words, but infact they are pretty off

To start there are many, many games being released. Some people, who are what we call "fans" decide they want to make a type of clone of the game. Now the person does take art work from the original game to make the game. So far so good. the person is, obviously not using it for any commercial benfit rather its enjoyment. Now Nintendo does copyright there things, but how come there are so many flash games and other types of games that may be familiar to the original. Well if i could explain this in the ending credits of any nintendo game it says " the game, music and something else, i need find out what it says is copyrighted by nintendo" now if we go into this copyright, it only applies to if the person uses the actual game for commercial benefit S-O what zion has done here was make a clone of zelda, true he used the art work
but, nevertheless he did code it all. Now what he did was use art, am i correct?YES
He did use the concept of the game am i correct? YES, BUT is he selling to us? NO

AND DID HE START THE CODING OF THE GAME HIMSELF? Y-E-S

There is no commercial game being made here, some ripped graphics of a game, which are copyrighted only against commercial use, So everbody lets use our common sense please, give the credit for the coding of this game, whereas u dont need to say "great artwork zion"

This is zions game, just not his graphics

So in the end my freind quzar, what you said was very futile, i must describe it as stupid

and if you are trying to provide insight on a game, saying its artwork is ripped is very obvious and its not like anyone can think for themselves

And if im not blind zion gave CREDITS for the SPRITES

sigh, i cant ever seem to release anything without it turning into a flamewar :mad:

im getting really sick of it.

i think only about 5 comments out of the 65 were from people who tested the game and left feedback :(

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Originally Posted by Tetris999

Ok let me elborate on this whole steal the art thing

Now quzar said
"It's sad that you choose to show homage by stealing intellectual property."

yes very good choice of words, but infact they are pretty off

To start there are many, many games being released. Some people, who are what we call "fans" decide they want to make a type of clone of the game. Now the person does take art work from the original game to make the game. So far so good. the person is, obviously not using it for any commercial benfit rather its enjoyment. Now Nintendo does copyright there things, but how come there are so many flash games and other types of games that may be familiar to the original. Well if i could explain this in the ending credits of any nintendo game it says " the game, music and something else, i need find out what it says is copyrighted by nintendo" now if we go into this copyright, it only applies to if the person uses the actual game for commercial benefit S-O what zion has done here was make a clone of zelda, true he used the art work
but, nevertheless he did code it all. Now what he did was use art, am i correct?YES
He did use the concept of the game am i correct? YES, BUT is he selling to us? NO

AND DID HE START THE CODING OF THE GAME HIMSELF? Y-E-S

There is no commercial game being made here, some ripped graphics of a game, which are copyrighted only against commercial use, So everbody lets use our common sense please, give the credit for the coding of this game, whereas u dont need to say "great artwork zion"

This is zions game, just not his graphics

So in the end my freind quzar, what you said was very futile, i must describe it as stupid

and if you are trying to provide insight on a game, saying its artwork is ripped is very obvious and its not like anyone can think for themselves

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Copyrighted means that the work is copyrighted for ALL usage (commercial or not) unless otherwise specified which it isn't at "the end of games". However, you might be able to argue for "Fair usage" as described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

That is besides the point since the original point was for Intellectual Property was infringed, NOT Copyright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

Zion: Honestly, there isn't much to test. You can work around, there is some animation and you can interact with characters. There isn't any gameplay to give feedback on. I can't even comment on the code since you compiled it (yes I know I can decompile it but I really don't have the time to translate several thousand of lines of Lua instructions to Lua code).

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Originally Posted by Zion

sigh, i cant ever seem to release anything without it turning into a flamewar :mad:

im getting really sick of it.

i think only about 5 comments out of the 65 were from people who tested the game and left feedback :(

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im sorry, my feed back zion

Yes very good job it feels like im playing a new zelda game, just with lots of bugs :p

zion please, the world is huge and there will ALWAYS be flamers

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Originally Posted by Tetris999

im sorry, my feed back zion

Yes very good job it feels like im playing a new zelda game, just with lots of bugs :p

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bugs :eek:

im very sorry to see this, its just shame....
zion, dont feel that way, just ignore and keep on going what you do, i admire you no matter what.... besides you blocked me on msn -.-'

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Originally Posted by yaustar

Copyrighted means that the work is copyrighted for ALL usage unless otherwise specificed which it isn't at "the end of games". However, you might be able to argue for "Fair usage" as described here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright

That is besides the point since the original point was for Intellectual Property was infringed, NOT Copyright.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_property

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Yes i agree with this i guess it is about Intellectual property, then again if such actions have to be taken against zion, it would be carried out by nintendo, and accusing him for the infrigment will prove to be nothing unless nintendo wants to do something about it

Please now enjoy the game, you dont have to pick at the laws about it

What you accuse is not doing anything, and if we want something to be done, nintendo must do it

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Originally Posted by acn010

im very sorry to see this, its just shame....
zion, dont feel that way, just ignore and keep on going what you do, i admire you no matter what.... besides you blocked me on msn -.-'

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na i formatted my pc and lost your msn :eek:

And Nintendo Come and get me, im so scared :rolleyes:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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Originally Posted by Zion

na i formatted my pc and lost your msn :eek:

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-.- oh well, i believe:thumbup:

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Originally Posted by Tetris999

Please now enjoy the game, you dont have to pick at the laws about it

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Then don't bring them up in a thread especially when you quote mis-information. I am not accusing anything, just correcting your infromation.

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Originally Posted by Tetris999

Ok let me elborate on this whole steal the art thing

Now quzar said
"It's sad that you choose to show homage by stealing intellectual property."

yes very good choice of words, but infact they are pretty off

To start there are many, many games being released. Some people, who are what we call "fans" decide they want to make a type of clone of the game. Now the person does take art work from the original game to make the game. So far so good. the person is, obviously not using it for any commercial benfit rather its enjoyment. Now Nintendo does copyright there things, but how come there are so many flash games and other types of games that may be familiar to the original. Well if i could explain this in the ending credits of any nintendo game it says " the game, music and something else, i need find out what it says is copyrighted by nintendo" now if we go into this copyright, it only applies to if the person uses the actual game for commercial benefit S-O what zion has done here was make a clone of zelda, true he used the art work
but, nevertheless he did code it all. Now what he did was use art, am i correct?YES
He did use the concept of the game am i correct? YES, BUT is he selling to us? NO

AND DID HE START THE CODING OF THE GAME HIMSELF? Y-E-S

There is no commercial game being made here, some ripped graphics of a game, which are copyrighted only against commercial use, So everbody lets use our common sense please, give the credit for the coding of this game, whereas u dont need to say "great artwork zion"

This is zions game, just not his graphics

So in the end my freind quzar, what you said was very futile, i must describe it as stupid

and if you are trying to provide insight on a game, saying its artwork is ripped is very obvious and its not like anyone can think for themselves

And if im not blind zion gave CREDITS for the SPRITES

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Originally Posted by Zion

bugs :eek:

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Shoulda went into more detail, i expect bugs because its an alpha, im playing to see if there are bugs

Oh and yaustar, im defending against such allegations, and such, i do not wish to bring these accusations up myself if i must say

and yes, thank you for correcting me

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Originally Posted by Tetris999

What you accuse is not doing anything, and if we want something to be done, nintendo must do it

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Agreed. Though the internet is always going to be full of hypocrites who will make it their only mission to force copyright jibberish at coders, yet these same people download many roms and iso's. Its a damn shame that people cant enjoy the product instead of making deliberate posts intended to start a flamewar over something that they basically have no control over and can not do anything about.

BTW Zion, you already got my feedback on MSN :D

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Originally Posted by quzar

It's sad that you choose to show homage by stealing intellectual property.

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Im not sure in all the time Ive been here Ive ever seen you post a constructive comment :(

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Originally Posted by scarph

The real question is, who cares what Horace thinks?

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More people than seem to care what you think Id say... :rolleyes: You changed your user name but not your attitude :(

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Originally Posted by dejkirkby

Quzar, maybe an apology is in order?

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:rofl: And monkeys might fly out of my butt! :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by zx-81

Awesome work Zion, your game looks very nice ! please, ignore those flamers ... and keep it up ...

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/\ /\ THIS is what counts :) The comment from a truly respected coder :D

Keep up the great work Zion :thumbup: This is shaping up to be a great game (its amazing considering its in LUA! :eek:)

Dont let the b*stards grind you down ;)

All of this arguing is very stupid, people are saying the people who made tetris as a game for the xbox, and all those other systems should say such company's should be sued as you could relate to a game that is being made for fun...

Hopefully this will be the final point on this subject.
It's a damn shame when a DCEmu STAFF member's commnets have, intentionally or unintentionally, caused a huge flame-fest and the said member of staff will not even retract the malice that was in the comment. Whether the malice was intended or not is irrelevant, the fact is the comment could be, and was taken as offensive by more than a few members. An apology, if not a retraction of this comment, should be issued. The bottom line is the comment made is true about the majority of all homebrew on the majority of systems, but this thread was chosen to vent it. All ways out, that is unfair and whoever made the comment should be accountable.
This is the first time I can remember being dissappointed in any DCEmu staff member.