Trying to protect regular humans who just think differently and are restricted from normal rights from the government. Is that so wrong ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tetris999
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Trying to protect regular humans who just think differently and are restricted from normal rights from the government. Is that so wrong ;pQuote:
Originally Posted by Tetris999
Yeah lets talk about salvia. *rolls eyes*
Okay I'm seeing a lot of immature ways to put it.
First of all rawfodog, accusing someone of being gay when they stick up for a certain group is immature and ridiculous. Some people support a certain thing called equality. People from all different races and lifestyles believe in this thing.
Second of all men can have the same attraction to other men that men can have for women. Same goes vice versa. Some might see it as they want to be attracted to other men. They actually see it as a natural thing. Some people are ashamed of it so some people have no choice. I think people have to smarten up and be more accepting. People shouldn't feel any shame about who they are.
Lastly I don't agree with making an image in your mind that shows a world full of homosexuals and bisexuals. This is far from reality. There will always be straight people producing and there will always be homosexuals who are in couples. Just because there are homosexuals doesn't mean that the world will overflow with them.
This whole thing brings up another thing. I'd love to clothesline that scientist that said homosexuality is a defect and needs to be cured.
Homosexuals are all human beings. Looking down on them as a disease or unnatural is the real issue that should be frowned upon.
Do you have an idea of what a metaphor or a simile is my freind? yes you take it literallyQuote:
Originally Posted by ShoShoKid
i do not force beliefs on anyone, what you try to say is humans can do whatever they want, well yeah thats why there are criminals and rapists and potsmokers
Yeah, we should have rights for them to right? we should rights for something is totally wrong right?
i mean, it isnt bad to rape kids, its just state of mind
yes thats what YOU are saying
Now...homosexuality is big time out of the nature, as with child molesters and such they all need to be corrected!
Hehe, lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yobumtin
edit: Tetris: You seem to misunderstand. Raping is harming another person. What harm is homosexuality doing. Unless it physically hurts another human being, such as rape, consensual relations of love should be legalized. It seems your diction and use of the word criminal may be a bit flawed there to be fair.
Tell me 10 famous persons non-homo/bisexuals who got AIDSQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicyTempura
please elaborate, i didnt really get what you saidQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicyTempura
So youre saying the people who are out of the ordinary who kill murder and rape should be treated nice too? they are humans you know maybe we should treat them like equals tooQuote:
Originally Posted by Yobumtin
I'm sorry, but I'm not very familiar with pop-culture or which celebrity has which disease because I don't pay attention to them that much. I can likely ask the same question and ask you to name 10 homosexual famous people who have aids, but that isn't quite necessary. The point I was trying to make is that gay people aren't the only ones who have AIDS. Plus, if you do know 10 famous homosexual who do have aids, that only shows you know pop-culture much better than I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
edit: and no, I'm not saying those who kill and rape should be set free. I'm saying those who dont harm anyone and are still homosexual are fine.
Hey everyone, I'm out, going downtown to L.A. in a sec. The debate was fun, don't get too heated!
cheers! ^_^
oh yeah, hooray for daedalus r9!! wish i could download it now!! dyarnit...
I don't think you get the point. Equality means that all races and lifestyles are treated the same. That means they get the same rights and they get punished the same. There could be a rapist from any race. Same goes for any other sort of crime. Equality doesn't mean everyone should be treated nice. It means everyone should be treated equal.
Amanda BlakeQuote:
Originally Posted by SpicyTempura
Ian Charleson
Leonard Frey
Denholm Elliott
Anthony Perkins
Leonard Matlovich
Michael Jeter
Dack Rambo
Robert Reed
Tony Richardson
Now tell me 10 non-homo/bisexual persons who died of/got AIDS
Why does it matter. Its a fact that people that aren't homosexual can get aids too.
Wow dude, either you are really that ignorant or you are just grasping at straws. Nowhere in my post did I indicate that raping people was OK (in fact I said the contrary), and to compare homosexuals to real criminals is just insane.
Rape is, as previously mentioned by Spicy, is doing harm to another human being. As is also the case with molestation.
We shouldn't treat criminals well, but we do. They are given more rights than the victim due to this countries pathetic justice system.
Yes, in blood tranfusion. But it happens very few times lately, and it's in a poor and ugly hospital. Did you see this problem in 00's?Quote:
Originally Posted by Yobumtin
And to SpicyTempura, answer what I said, post the list.
Wow, you just don't get it do you? You need to take health class again as HIV aids can be transmitted through any contact of bodily fluids. Here is a quick read through as you clearly don't understand what you are talking about, http://www.sfaf.org/aids101/transmission.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
I'm not going to touch the std debate because I never really payed attention to the disease that much. But still why does it matter. If you have aids you have aids. Straights and homosexuals have it.
I guess it doesn't matter either way.
I never had sex with a prostitute. Again, few people got AIDS in this way.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShoShoKid
The point is most of the people with AIDS are homo/bisexualsQuote:
Originally Posted by Yobumtin
I guess in that case you're right. It has infected homosexuals more then other groups. But its mostly gay men who get this. They could be better educated to reduce the number of infections. Men have to learn a lot more about their sex life if they're homosexual. This might be confusing if they recently found out that they aren't straight and they just started experimenting. Of course this isn't always true. There's a lot of careful knowledgeable people that have sex with the same gender.
JKKdark, here is the deal. Straight people are just as vulnerable to HIV as homosexuals. HIV is blood borne, and any activity that exposed your blood to the secretions of another person will increase your risk, such as IV drug use and sex. Maybe the reason it seems the majority of people with HIV are men is because unprotected anal sex is a huge risk due to the abrasions that are caused.
The reason why AIDS has affected gay men more than other groups is due to the obvious fact about condoms. Why do 90% of people wear condoms? So that they don't have chidren. Another interesting thing that you may have learned in sex class (aside from the fact that AIDS is spread through blood and bodily fluids such as vaginal secretions and semen) is that anal sex does not yield children! Since gay men do not have the obvious need for a condom as much as straight men do, more of them have unprotected sex with casual partners than straight men do. This leads to a gay man's higher chance of contracting AIDS than a straight man, just due to the fact that they don't absolutely NEED a condom as much as straight men do.
As for straight men that have died from AIDS, the death is absolutely irrelevent. Anyone who has constracted it is sufficient, so lets start a list of that.
(Note that AIDS is not a reason for death: it simply knocks the white blood cells out of commission so that minor things such as the common cold can kill you due to a lack of white cells to fight off the virii. So people do not DIE from aids, they die from its effects on their immune system).
I know for sure that rapper Eazy-E died from complications from AIDS. And likewise, Magic Johnson contracted AIDS , but has been able to keep it controlled and almost cured due to his immense wealth and ability to afford drugs.
Thats two off the top of my head, lets continue on with this list.
Also, please note that the media tried to portray AIDS as a "gay disease" for quite some time, so many straight people that had it and died from it may have been said to have been killed from the flu, rather than AIDS (in order to not have the stigma of dying from a incorrectly named "gay virus"). Just something to think about.
I read this recently. It's relevant to this thread so I'll post it here:
Ten Reasons Gay Marriage Is (And Should Remain) Illegal
01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, prosthetics, polyester, and air conditioning.
02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.
03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.
04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.
05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.
06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.
07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.
08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.
09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.
10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the Internet, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.
NO! AIDS THINKS AND TARGETS GAYS! IT LIKES STRAIGHT PEOPLE AND HATES GAYS!Quote:
Originally Posted by RibStabsHeart
Just kidding.
The above quote reflects my belief on why homosexuals may have a higher rate of HIV contractions and develop AIDS. It's not that God hates them or that the "unnatural" beings that are homosexuals are the target of HIV. No, they are just careless because there is no consequence of unwanted pregnancy with same sex intercourse.
Perhaps homosexuality is unnatural. Perhaps it does go against human nature. But let me ask you something, are you living naturally yourselves? Do you eat factory sealed foods, watch television, drive a car, or argued with someone that may not even exist via someone's digital idea? Hypocrisy! Our entire lifestyle is unnatural. To call out homosexuals while the obese, the 90 year old seniors, the persons with prosthetic limbs, and men of science and government are allowed their way of life is to split hairs.
And this "human nature", what is it? Please tell me the facts, not philosophy.
But these people have taken something from someone else. They've violated the rights of another person. Has a homosexual ever forced you to be gay? Has he ever taken your personal heterosexuality away? Child molesters, they take advantage of a child's feeble and impressionable mind. That's why it's not right. Murderers take the lives of people while rapists are violating one's security. Bullies prey on the weak and take their pride, bigots take away freedoms, and spies take our privacy. What has a homosexual taken from you? What will he take from you? Your children? No, your children will be there. They wont take them from you, it will be you who refuses them for what they are. You will sacrifice them for nothing.Quote:
So youre saying the people who are out of the ordinary who kill murder and rape should be treated nice too? they are humans you know maybe we should treat them like equals too
They should be punished for their misdeeds but their humanity should not be removed.
Sieg Heil!:rofl:Quote:
Now...homosexuality is big time out of the nature, as with child molesters and such they all need to be corrected!
EDIT: Since I'm bored I'll do another quote.
Don't worry, we're nowhere close to extinction. Even if half the population were gay, I guarantee you, the human race would still thrive. Overpopulation is our biggest and least recognized problems. If anything, homosexuality is doing us a favor. Anyways, by the time homosexuals take over the world, the Y chromosome will be out of commission. :pQuote:
this would lead to the extinction of the human race thats why theres the two seperate groups of men and female
If only had a Bible at hand and I were willing to take a few hours to go through it, we could play "Bible Sez".Quote:
I dont hate gays, but the Bible DOES say that its wrong to be gay....
"look at animals, their not gay they dont have the freedom of choice as we do"
Actually most groups of animals hav gays in them,apes,dogs,cats etc.....
Its perfectly natural to be gay whether your a ape,dog or a human.
I think the religious biggots have crawled from under their rocks in this debate.
Haha soully. I got a good laugh about that. And thats all true. zit also brings up points I hadn't thought about.
So, than your comparing humanity to apes and dogs? I happen to think that humanity greater than the both. I dont necessairly agree with the homosexual lifestyle but I'll let them be and let a higher power deal with people rather than creating my own judgements. Oh and I am religious and not a biggot, where is no place in the bible does it say kill people who are gay. It says the greatest commandments of all are "love the lord thy god" and "honor your fellow man". This is in matthew when Jesus is asked about which commandment is the greatest of all. Even if homosexuality is preeched as wrong in the Bible, it doesnt mean that we need to kill them all or "correct them" as we do common criminals. Let them do what they do.. its their life.Quote:
Originally Posted by Amiga
and just because I happen to belive that they have a right to what they do in the bedroom, this doesnt mean that I agree with the idea of giving them marrige. I still believe we should reatain tridition and keep it between a man and a woman and even that I believe should be more regulated (First thing I would get rid of would be the stupid vegas weddings). If Homosexuals want to create something of their own, thats fine, let them. "Let what cesars be cesars, and what gods be gods."
oh.. to the person that says i'm a "rat" and must be gay myself. I'm not. I try to see the person behind the label. When picking my friends I dont look at religion or lack there of, if they're hetero or not or if there of a different race than me. I look at the person and the quality of that person rather than specific labels. Life is too short to hate on people for bullshit reasons.
-JV
EDIT:
this is to the person that wanted to know 10 famous people that were hetero that have gotten aids/died from aids. You can add these to the list: Easy E and Magic Johnson.
The Article is stupid and the reactions from the gay community is stupid. Why dont they just all stfu?
so? he got aids before 1991. I know there are very few non homo/bisexual people who get aids. But tell me 9 more, and after 2000.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Villa1983
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIDS_pandemicQuote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
It's an estimated 25 million people who have died from Aids now, I think we can say there's a good chance that at lease 10 of them were straight don't you?
Glad we've cleared that up then.
Why do they have to be after 2000? Is that when the Special Gay form of AIDS was doing the rounds?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
Actually, I'll give you one hetero person, so that makes 8 left to get:
What really amazed me is the small mindedness of this board (well, not everybody). I know it's to be expected as it's a younger crowd that hang around here, but Jesus! I thought that the youg'uns nowadays are a lot better educated about living with peoples sexual orientation than in the past.Quote:
Nkosi Johnson (February 4, 1989 - June 1, 2001) was a South African child victim of HIV/AIDS, who made a powerful impact on public perceptions of the pandemic and its effects before his death at the age of 12.
Oh and for the record, very few non homo/bisexual get HIV/AIDS? How the f8ck do you work that one out? From http://www.avert.org/worldstats.htm
So there's a massive Gay scene in Africa by your reckoning?Quote:
The number of people living with HIV has risen from around 8 million in 1990 to nearly 40 million today, and is still growing. Around 63% of people living with HIV are in sub-Saharan Africa.
Ok, lets forget about Africa (like everybody does) and focus on the west. It USED to be true (back in the late 80's early 90's) that there was more new cases of HIV/AIDS in the homosexual demographic, but that has changed due to education. I think you'll find that more new cases of HIV/AIDS are occuring in hetero relationships, as they don't see it as a threat as the media have been pushing HIV/AIDS as a Gay Only disease for so long.
You see? The number of new cases of non-homosexual HIV/AIDS are rising much faster than Man-on-Man. The sad fact is that most people see it as a 'Gay' disease due to people believing what they are told by the little glowing box in the corner.Quote:
From 2000 to 2005 in the USA, the estimated number of new AIDS cases increased in all racial/ethnic groups. Over the same period, the estimated number of new AIDS diagnoses increased by 17% among women and by 16% among men. The number of new cases probably due to heterosexual contact grew by 42%; cases probably due to sex between men grew by 24%; and the number among injecting drug users fell by less than 1%.
Bah, there's no point in even bothering.....
/me wishes there wasn't so many Fred Phelps on this forum
I don't give a fcuk about AIDS. I don't have sex with prostitutes, I never needed a blood transfusion and I'm not african. None of the normal people I know here on my city had AIDS. Only ***s get AIDS.
What's your point with the mindedness? I'm 19 and there are a lot of people here between 18 and 35.
And thanks for adding another one to the list. I hope you don't have in mind only african people.
Interesting. What's your problem ?Quote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
Only ***s get AIDS?
Jesus christ,
from http://www.avert.org/usastatg.htm:
Next?Quote:
Estimated adult and adolescent HIV diagnoses in 2005 by exposure category (33 states only)
Male-to-male sexual contact: 18,722
heterosexual contact: 12,219
I don't see where's the problem. It was an answer to Sonny_Jim.Quote:
Originally Posted by Christuserloeser
That's not my problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sonny_Jim
For something that's not your problem you seem to have a lot to say about the disease.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
Wow. This thread is ridiculous...
Tetris (& others): Your opinion is ignorant. I don't think being gay is something GOD intended, but to each there own. Who are we to judge?
JKDark: What does famous people who got aids have to do with the actual AIDS statistics in the world? Your not gonna hear about most celebs who get AIDS. I'm sure it's not something most people brag about... (especially celebs)
It's scary to see so much hate in the world...
I'm not gay. But I know gay people.I believe in the phrase
"It doesn't matter what I do, as long as I bring no harm to you"
C'mon man... We got people in here dehumanizing other human beings. That's not cool.
What is the average age on here? 12? It seems like there are far too many people on here that can't accept other peoples ideas, and work on coexisting, rather than existing with hatred. It just reminds me too much of little 10 year olds that simply listen to their stepfathers that treat Fox News as the Bible (rather than just their interpretation of it).
Okay, maybe thats just my stepfather, but you get the point. The ignorance in this thread is painful.
The cancellation of Shenmue 2 (DC) on the US is not my problem but I have a lot to say; The dead of grunge bands in the mid 90's is not my problem but I have a lot to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
Your post makes no sense, souLLy.
You've said in this thread that it's not your problem and you don't 'give a fcuk' about aids, yet you've posted in the thread a dozen times. That makes no sense to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
Why do you feel so intimidated by the existence of gay people?
Again, you can say the same for the other two points and more.Quote:
Originally Posted by souLLy
No the other two points are things you DO care about it seems.Quote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK