Sony Are Not The Enemy

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Originally Posted by IM back!

you can paly palystion store PSX games on your PS3

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Yes, but can you download playstation store games to your PSP without a PS3? No. Could they have given you that functionality using a PC instead? Yes. Did they intentionally set it up this way to sell more PS3s ... what do YOU think?

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Originally Posted by Volsfan91

What about the following:

1) Sony deliberately blocking 3rd party keyboard licensing?

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I don't think they did, personally. If a keyboard could be made for the PSP, it probably would have been by now - by homebrewers if nothing else. I just don't think the PSP is capable of using an external keyboard. If you have evidence to the contrary, I'd love to know about it.

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2) Not paying up for a true web browser from a company like Opera?

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They did, they just didn't buy it from Opera. I don't remember the name of the company that made the PSP's web browser, but it wasn't developed in-house by Sony.

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3) Not fulfilling on media codecs?

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The PSP is not capable of dynamically resizing and playing DivX (which is what I assume you're referring to). Many other video playing devices also use special codecs. Of course, I do believe they have deliberately obfuscated the process of putting videos on the PSP so that UMDs seem more attractive, but that's not the same thing.

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4) Incorporating technology in their firmware that allowed them to search the memory stick's contents?

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To what do you refer here?

I don't hate Sony for what they're doing to the PSP. I do hate that they try to get rid of ALL homebrew, not just make a patch to stop piracy. I also hate what they've done to the PS3, a system with so much potential.

So sure they made a good handheld (which incidently sucks without homebrew) and I love em for it. But They refuse with all their heart to listen to their customers, and so that is why I hate them.

Why didn't they do what Microsoft did, and make a Blu-Ray player ADD on like Microsoft has for HD-DVD?

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

I don't hate Sony for what they're doing to the PSP. I do hate that they try to get rid of ALL homebrew, not just make a patch to stop piracy. I also hate what they've done to the PS3, a system with so much potential.

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yet they allow linux ?
on the PS2 and PS3

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Originally Posted by Joe88

yet they allow linux ?
on the PS2 and PS3

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The PSP can't run Linux in any conventional sense at the moment. That's why there's only been one port, and that in the very basic stages. The PSP just doesn't have the necessary gubbins (I believe the necessary missing component is an MMU, although I may be wrong).

Linux gives a safe environment for homebrew without also providing the means for piracy. Also, as an added bonus, drivers for the accelerated video aren't available so none of the games ported can compete with their released games on an even footing.

1) About the keyboard:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/psp/no-psp-keyboard-157066.php

2) My point exactly. They hired a cruddy company that didn't have a ton of experience, Access.

3) Bull ****. There are a ton of handheld devices that can play DivX and such. I invite you to review both the Gp2x's specs and codec list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X

4) I honestly cannot find the link to the article at the moment, but I remember hearing about it on QJ. I'll be sure to post a link if I can find it.

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What about the following:

1) Sony deliberately blocking 3rd party keyboard licensing?

2) Not paying up for a true web browser from a company like Opera?

3) Not fulfilling on media codecs?

4) Incorporating technology in their firmware that allowed them to search the memory stick's contents?

Overall, it is 100% clear that Sony seemingly intentionally limits the PSP's functionality and uses by not ever including good features in firmware.

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1) well just like life, you cant get everything
2) Its their decision, and its u'r decision if u want to buy a psp/ps3
3) I understand this also, but think about it, at least they placed in the two most common media formats(in terms of photos and music)
4) and how is this hurting you?

SpooforBrains:

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Yes, but can you download playstation store games to your PSP without a PS3? No. Could they have given you that functionality using a PC instead? Yes. Did they intentionally set it up this way to sell more PS3s ... what do YOU think

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Well, thats what business is all about.

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Originally Posted by Joe88

yet they allow linux ?
on the PS2 and PS3

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Just tried playing Fury 3 on PS2. It didn't run. Linux my foot....

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Originally Posted by Volsfan91

1) About the keyboard:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/psp/no-psp-keyboard-157066.php

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There never was a stated reason for that. Personally I don't think the PSP is actually capable. I honestly don't see an incentive to shut down that accessory otherwise.

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2) My point exactly. They hired a cruddy company that didn't have a ton of experience, Access.

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I can't speak to their level of experience myself, but I personally don't have a problem with the PSP web browser. It does the job. I just wish it was a little faster.

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3) Bull ****. There are a ton of handheld devices that can play DivX and such. I invite you to review both the Gp2x's specs and codec list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GP2X

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I'm well aware of the GP2X. As I understand it, it uses a second core of the processor to dynamically resize videos for playback. The PSP doesn't have that. Also remember that the PSP has to provide a flawless, polished user experience with no bugs. The GP2X does NOT provide that.

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

SpooforBrains:


Well, thats what business is all about.

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No, it's NOT. Nintendo can provide nice warm retro-gaming fuzzies without scalping their customers. Sony aren't capable of doing that without having an agenda to push.

Basil, you're lucky you primarily hang out at DCEmu, because anywhere else, you would get fried.

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No, it's NOT. Nintendo can provide nice warm retro-gaming fuzzies without scalping their customers. Sony aren't capable of doing that without having an agenda to push.

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My friend, you have wisdom in your words

I hate Sony because both PS2s I've had have had many problems, the PS2 was so overrated that the Dreamcast failed, they act like everything is ok when it's not, they shut down lik-sang for no reason, and many other reasons.

So there, I hate Sony not just because they don't want me to play emulators on my PSP, but for other reasons.

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No, it's NOT. Nintendo can provide nice warm retro-gaming fuzzies without scalping their customers. Sony aren't capable of doing that without having an agenda to push.

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well thats nintendo, you cant expect every business to be like each other

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Originally Posted by Volsfan91

Basil, you're lucky you primarily hang out at DCEmu, because anywhere else, you would get fried.

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is that supposed to be a threat, cause its empty, everyone has their opinions which hold facts, oh and btw, i'm not primarly "hanging out" in DCEmu, i primarly "hang out" in QJ.net Forums.

If you see the screename basil zero, you can see why, when looking at my post count.

DCEmu, i only come here for news thats it, if u look at my post history, 95% of my posts have been made in the news sections.


ALSO, i made my statements even in QJ, and unlike "most" people, fanboyism is like a disease, which leads to bias information and lacking of any actual evidence.

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I hate Sony because both PS2s I've had have had many problems, the PS2 was so overrated that the Dreamcast failed, they act like everything is ok when it's not, they shut down lik-sang for no reason, and many other reasons.

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Well you cant blame a company just because a small margin of people had defective ps2s, i mean come on, not every system or piece of hardware isnt perfect.

And because of one system's death isnt the fault of another system, though it may contribute to it, if you think about it, what happened to all the sega fanboys who left sega and went after other systems?

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

well thats nintendo, you cant expect every business to be like each other

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I can expect a great many things. What I can expect is only limited by my imagination.

One of those things that I expect is that companies that desire my custom do not take unnecessary liberties in attempting to obtain it, nor do they attempt to coerce me into buying new products by withholding features of the product I have already bought until I do so.

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Originally Posted by SpooForBrains

I can expect a great many things. What I can expect is only limited by my imagination.

One of those things that I expect is that companies that desire my custom do not take unnecessary liberties in attempting to obtain it, nor do they attempt to coerce me into buying new products by withholding features of the product I have already bought until I do so.

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True, you CAN expect things to improve, but once again, thats up to the company's decision, the only other way you can convince them to change what they are doing is if you work with them(high class employee), other than that, nothing much but to speculate of things they can do.

Nothing we can do, we're just the consumers and not the producers.

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

well thats nintendo, you cant expect every business to be like each other

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The difference between nintendo and sony at the moment, is that nintendo seem to be doing things right and sony, wrong. And I expect sony to be like nintendo in the way of making me, and many other gamers happy.

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

Nothing we can do, we're just the consumers and not the producers.

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The producers are supposed to be making us, the consumers happy, and giving us what we want, it's how they make money and keeps us happy. The problem is that, sony is failing at that at the moment.

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Originally Posted by Abgoj

The difference between nintendo and sony at the moment, is that nintendo seem to be doing things right and sony, wrong. And I expect sony to be like nintendo in the way of making me, and many other gamers happy.

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Well, like i said, you cant expect all companies to be the same, there will be ups and downs on every company.

Sony made people happy with PS2

Alot of people were disappointed with Nintendo's GCN

Now, its reversed.

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The producers are supposed to be making us, the consumers happy, and giving us what we want, it's how they make money and keeps us happy. The problem is that, sony is failing at that at the moment.

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I wouldnt be saying that Sony's failing right now, if your saying, because of lack of sales compared to Wii and Xbox360, well lets check the factors:

1. PS3 is 600 dollars, not everyone can afford it

2. Xbox360 is more than a year old

3. Wii is cheaper, and nintendo is more accepted to the gaming community due to the great achievements over the past few years.

I expect sony to do better with PS3 in a matter of 1-2 years , just like i said about PSP, which is doing well in 2007.

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

Nothing we can do, we're just the consumers and not the producers.

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Thats the sad truth with Sony. It doesn't seem the truth with Microsoft and Nintendo though. They actually LISTEN to their customers. Such as, customers say they want awesome games, and affordable system. Nintendo makes the Wii wireless remote. Microsoft makes Bishock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Dead Rising, ect.

Sony sticks a Blu-Ray player in the PS3 for an extra $300.

WTF? Where did that come from?

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

Thats the sad truth with Sony. It doesn't seem the truth with Microsoft and Nintendo though. They actually LISTEN to their customers. Such as, customers say they want awesome games, and affordable system. Nintendo makes the Wii wireless remote. Microsoft makes Bishock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Dead Rising, ect.

Sony sticks a Blu-Ray player in the PS3 for an extra $300.

WTF? Where did that come from?

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:rofl: that's exactly my point.

Much as I hate Microsoft as a company, I'd much rather have a 360 than a PS3. And I already own an XBox. Two in fact (just bought a second for £30). Admittedly, I only use it for XBMC, but that doesn't change the fact that I did play games on it once, and enjoyed them too.

Which is a hard admission for a man who has detested Windows for years.

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Thats the sad truth with Sony. It doesn't seem the truth with Microsoft and Nintendo though. They actually LISTEN to their customers. Such as, customers say they want awesome games, and affordable system. Nintendo makes the Wii wireless remote. Microsoft makes Bishock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Dead Rising, ect.

Sony sticks a Blu-Ray player in the PS3 for an extra $300.

WTF? Where did that come from?

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I think its more common sense, of what customers want, its mostly what the producers want with their systems, of what THEY think what will be successful, not always about what a customer wants

also just because a company gets a new feature such as you stated the Nintendo Wii with its wireless remote features, its what Nintendo wanted.

Microsoft yes did indeed make games like Gears of War and Halo, but that doesnt mean Sony didnt make great series either:

Here's what sony made:

God Of War
Legend of Dragoon
Gran Turismo
Jak and Daxter
Crash Bandicoot(license sold)
Spyro the Dragon (license Sold)
Ratchet and Clank
MotorStorm
Resistance
and some other franchises i cant think of now.

btw, capcom made dead rising.....but back to point

Sony sticks a blu-ray player, what do u expect? OF course their gonna stick it in the ps3, its their product. And since its new technology, of course the PS3 would be first thing they would place it, to show it off.

Its like they always say, you have a choice, if you dont want a system, dont buy it, even if there are others who are willing to buy it, its their choice.

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

Sony sticks a blu-ray player, what do u expect? OF course their gonna stick it in the ps3, its their product. And since its new technology, of course the PS3 would be first thing they would place it, to show it off.

Its like they always say, you have a choice, if you dont want a system, dont buy it, even if there are others who are willing to buy it, its their choice.

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Sony put the blu-ray player into PS3 for the same reason they made the PSP use UMDs (a format that is pretty much universally detested) - because they want to use their market share to push their own proprietary, non-interoperable media formats.

The trouble is, most proprietary Sony media formats suck nuts. Betamax was a failure. The minidisc was a failure. Memory sticks have only survived because Sony still have a large share of the digital camera market. Blu-ray will go the same way.

Sony as a company is only interested in furthering their own market dominance. They have no interest in giving the consumer what they want. The only problem is this quite often has the opposite effect of that intended, and consumers are alienated. Sony had a runaway success with the playstation, but PSP sales aren't as strong as they should be and I don't think the PS3 is going to fare much better.

Plus, lets be honest, the PS2 did well because it gave you the most bang for your buck. It fell at just the right point in the market - cheaper than the XBox, but just that bit more powerful than the Gamecube. Technically it wasn't all that great. Sony were also in a lucky position with licenses - they had Square and Rockstar (and GTA sold a LOT of PS2s). That's slowly starting to slip away from them now.

They're burning goodwill too fast at the moment, and when you're asking the public to spend more than the cost of a home computer on a gaming console, you NEED goodwill.

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

Just tried playing Fury 3 on PS2. It didn't run. Linux my foot....

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isnt that a windows game ...

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

Thats the sad truth with Sony. It doesn't seem the truth with Microsoft and Nintendo though. They actually LISTEN to their customers. Such as, customers say they want awesome games, and affordable system. Nintendo makes the Wii wireless remote. Microsoft makes Bishock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Dead Rising, ect.

Sony sticks a Blu-Ray player in the PS3 for an extra $300.

WTF? Where did that come from?

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a blu-ray player is $999
consider the great deal your getting
rather then just bashing it and be proud your got next gen godness
sony wanted to make this system full HD, and there not gonna just thow in a DVD drive and called it "HD" like MS did with the 360 which could only output in 720p

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Originally Posted by SpooForBrains

Sony put the blu-ray player into PS3 for the same reason they made the PSP use UMDs (a format that is pretty much universally detested) - because they want to use their market share to push their own proprietary, non-interoperable media formats.

The trouble is, most proprietary Sony media formats suck nuts. Betamax was a failure. The minidisc was a failure. Memory sticks have only survived because Sony still have a large share of the digital camera market. Blu-ray will go the same way.

Sony as a company is only interested in furthering their own market dominance. They have no interest in giving the consumer what they want. The only problem is this quite often has the opposite effect of that intended, and consumers are alienated. Sony had a runaway success with the playstation, but PSP sales aren't as strong as they should be and I don't think the PS3 is going to fare much better.

Plus, lets be honest, the PS2 did well because it gave you the most bang for your buck. It fell at just the right point in the market - cheaper than the XBox, but just that bit more powerful than the Gamecube. Technically it wasn't all that great. Sony were also in a lucky position with licenses - they had Square and Rockstar (and GTA sold a LOT of PS2s). That's slowly starting to slip away from them now.

They're burning goodwill too fast at the moment, and when you're asking the public to spend more than the cost of a home computer on a gaming console, you NEED goodwill.

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the floppy disk anyone ?
maybe the CD ???
and gave a little help with the creation of the DVD helping it to be more scratch resistant
the company backing of the blu-ray is incredible compared to HD-DVD

the PSP is doing fairly well, it came into a market where nintendo was the only one around, it made quit a dent in their sales, but still not enough

both the xbox and PS2 retailed for $299
also the gamecube was more powerfull then the PS2 sporting a 399mhz CPU and games like RE4 had to be slightly downgraded to be playable on the PS2
the PS2 won because it was pure awsomeness with loads of games to match, alot of which other counsels didnt have

also a good home computer cost around $1,200
I build my own comps but non the less thats the cost of stock computers and dont try to say what about those $399 POS comps that have Pentium4's >.>

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Originally Posted by SpooForBrains

No, it's NOT. Nintendo can provide nice warm retro-gaming fuzzies without scalping their customers. Sony aren't capable of doing that without having an agenda to push.

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which may explain why they lost the last 2 counsel races to sony

Its really $1000? o_0

I guess if I want a Blu-Ray player I'd get a PS3...but really, i'm fine with DVD. Fury 3 is Linux, at least the copy I have. It may be a Windows game too, I don't really know. I tried Civilization Call to Power as well, no dice...

As for the PS2 games, most of them I bought the PS2 for are moving to the other systems, such as Dynasty Warriors, DDR, and DBZ Budokai.

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Originally Posted by Joe88

the floppy disk anyone ?
maybe the CD ???

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Seems to me like Apple and IBM had somewhat more to do with the success of the floppy. As for the CD, it was joint-developed by Phillips, yes?

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the PS2 won because it was pure awsomeness with loads of games to match, alot of which other counsels didnt have

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That sounds like an unbiased opinion.

Plus, you just backed up my point. It did so well because of the exclusive licenses, such as GTA and Final Fantasy. As time goes on there are less and less of those as publishers realise they can't afford to write off a potentially large market share.

Of all the games that were release multi-platform, you would have a hard time arguing that the playstation 2 version was superior to the versions on the other two consoles. Although no doubt you'll try anyway.

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

Ok, so many mistakes dood

Emotion Engine, dont know much about it, i admit , but from seeing what i have seen, its all good regardeless.

and you saying that sony hasnt released any interesting content? than what is the webbrowser, locationfreeplayer, etc?

Many years for the first tekken to be on PSP? how so? PSP has only been around for 2 years, and tekken came out like more than year ago.

Gran Turismo, i can understand, God of War, be patient dood, u'r not the only one who is waiting.

And about re-paying for ps1 games to be downloaded via ps3, well isnt that what the other systems are doing as well?

Especially Wii with its VC.

So before you go flaming at one company think of the facts.


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Ok...I am wrong about tekken... :)

The emotion engine is the cpu of the ps2. Sony lie when they released the ps2 saying thing like; it was more powerfull than any computer on the market...
And they do the same with the cell...I am a game develloper and I can tell u than gamewise the ps3 isn t "that powerfull..."

So now I don't say it's a bad hardware...just that sony overate the power of the ps3...
Just look at game released on 360 and ps3(fightnight, tonyhawk,splintercell,etc)...why they do not look that much better on the ps3???
Again I am sure the ps3 will probably have amazing exclusive game later on it s life cycle...but sony didn't really make there console very develloper friendly so it will take more time and money to really see the "true power" of the ps3...

about the ps1 games...I would have love to be able to play iso...i own ps1 games...I m sure it would have been possible to create a tool that extract the game from the cd and maybe lock it to the mac adress of the psp or something...Ok, now I know there here to make money...and I have nothing against paying a little money to buy a old game but come on I have to buy a ps3 to play a ps1 game on the psp!?!?!?!
That just too much don't you think??:confused:

Before been called a nintendo/microsoft fanboy
I must say i own (or played ,do not own a ps3)most of the gamesystem on the market regardless of it s brand. I just think Sony is f*****g up there brand, pretty sad...:( :(

the PS3 ver of Oblivion is superior to the 360 ver because the gfx were more cleaner and smooth
also the PC ver owns both
but this isnt an argument over multi-platform titles
it more about exclusives
just because 1 or 2 companys, capcom went muti-platform doesnt mean sony is losing all their exclusives

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Sony put the blu-ray player into PS3 for the same reason they made the PSP use UMDs (a format that is pretty much universally detested) - because they want to use their market share to push their own proprietary, non-interoperable media formats.

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Well, is there a law in which they cant? Sure the UMD is lacking in sales compared to other formats, but blu-ray is growing no doubt, and dont count the UMD out, its still alive.

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The trouble is, most proprietary Sony media formats suck nuts. Betamax was a failure. The minidisc was a failure. Memory sticks have only survived because Sony still have a large share of the digital camera market. Blu-ray will go the same way.

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I dont know much about the Betamax or minidisc, but the blu-ray, i believe will have a chance.

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Sony as a company is only interested in furthering their own market dominance. They have no interest in giving the consumer what they want. The only problem is this quite often has the opposite effect of that intended, and consumers are alienated. Sony had a runaway success with the playstation, but PSP sales aren't as strong as they should be and I don't think the PS3 is going to fare much better.

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I have to disagree with you there, just because the PSP isnt as selling wise as DS, doesnt mean its a failure, the software sales are low because of the piracy which is occuring, hardware wise, its going good, infact the ps3 is doing well for a system that costs 600 bucks average.

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Plus, lets be honest, the PS2 did well because it gave you the most bang for your buck. It fell at just the right point in the market - cheaper than the XBox, but just that bit more powerful than the Gamecube. Technically it wasn't all that great. Sony were also in a lucky position with licenses - they had Square and Rockstar (and GTA sold a LOT of PS2s). That's slowly starting to slip away from them now.

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That is not true, nothing about it is lucky, its a proven fact that the company which releases their game system first(not counting sega dreamcast), has been successful, ps1 first than n64, PS2 than GCN and Xbox, now we see the trend with Xbox360, being number 1 right now, Nintendo as usual staying in the second place. However I believe this generation that'll change. And your only crediting the big named companies, how about giving credit to many of the sony exclusive companies, or who have been loyal to sony, and STILL are such as Nippon Icchi.

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They're burning goodwill too fast at the moment, and when you're asking the public to spend more than the cost of a home computer on a gaming console, you NEED goodwill.

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As for the PS2 games, most of them I bought the PS2 for are moving to the other systems, such as Dynasty Warriors, DDR, and DBZ Budokai.

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Not True, at least 15-20 percent are moving.

Sony put rootkits on music CDs to infect them with virus-like DRM software; infecting over 500,000 computer systems.

Sony put incompatible copy protection on their newer DVDs, disabling them from playing on many DVD players until the community and manufacturer backlash was too strong.

Sony lies about their specs for every system since the PS2.

Sony shut down Lik-Sang using legal loopholes and brute-force lawyering.

Sony threatened and even punished Crescente from Kotaku for exersising his rights as a reporter of news.

The PSP took years to get where its at, original adopters were left in the cold for all this time. Only recently, with the consistent failings of the PS3 are they paying attention to it aside from releasing mandatory firmware patches who's only purpose is to seal a small homebrew leak.

Sony is a member of the RIAA. They sue children and innocent people and abuse the legal system on a daily basis.

There are many reasons to hate Sony. They are the enemy in many ways. Just because there are a few PSP games that are worth it does not mean we should forget all else they've done.

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Originally Posted by sabernet

Sony put rootkits on music CDs to infect them with virus-like DRM software; infecting over 500,000 computer systems.

Sony put incompatible copy protection on their newer DVDs, disabling them from playing on many DVD players until the community and manufacturer backlash was too strong.

Sony lies about their specs for every system since the PS2.

Sony shut down Lik-Sang using legal loopholes and brute-force lawyering.

Sony threatened and even punished Crescente from Kotaku for exersising his rights as a reporter of news.

The PSP took years to get where its at, original adopters were left in the cold for all this time. Only recently, with the consistent failings of the PS3 are they paying attention to it aside from releasing mandatory firmware patches who's only purpose is to seal a small homebrew leak.
Sony is a member of the RIAA. They sue children and innocent people and abuse the legal system on a daily basis.

There are many reasons to hate Sony. They are the enemy in many ways. Just because there are a few PSP games that are worth it does not mean we should forget all else they've done.

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most of the reasons you provided have nothing to do with gaming, especially the whole "Sony sues children".

and two, PS3 isnt failing

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Originally Posted by ficksucker

I think many of us realize that a huge portion of the cost that we pay for a game is markup. So say what you will about ISO loaders, but I think they are as much the symptoms of a problem as the problem itself. We buy into the values of our society, the problem is it doesn't give enough of us an appropriate way to achieve those goals, because they mark up the price so much.

Sony isn't the bad guy, but they share some of the responsibility.

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I believe people using ISO loaders is more of a "I want everythiing ... NOW" mentality. I remember having an Amiga and I would get a box of copied games rather than spend out on one game that I really wanted.

Eventually my supply to free floppies came to an end so when I DID spend the almighty £5 on Street Fighter 2, I caned it loads.

Games were a pittance back then. Coded by small teams with no marketing or any of the shebang that came with it. Yet still for a fiver, I still went for the free option because I could.

If I could be bothered to rig my PS2, I would probably rip the hell out of that. Because I haven't, I'm spending money on games. Thinking about it and getting good value for my cash out of them.

Lowering prices wouldn't do a thing really.

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and two, PS3 isnt failing

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http://www.ps3center.net/story-394.html
http://digg.com/gaming_news/EA_regre...ving_on_to_Wii
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3155564

Sure, if you say so.

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most of the reasons you provided have nothing to do with gaming, especially the whole "Sony sues children".

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Sony threatened and even punished Crescente from Kotaku for exersising his rights as a reporter of news.
Sony shut down Lik-Sang using legal loopholes and brute-force lawyering.
Sony lies about their specs for every system since the PS2.
Sony put rootkits on music CDs to infect them with virus-like DRM software; infecting over 500,000 computer systems.
[...]aside from releasing mandatory firmware patches who's only purpose is to seal a small homebrew leak.

Again, whatever.

Besides, if Exxon-Mobil or Montsanto made a game console, would it be any better to say "Exxon is not the enemy because their wifi controllers rule!"?

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

I have to disagree with you there, just because the PSP isnt as selling wise as DS, doesnt mean its a failure, the software sales are low because of the piracy which is occuring, hardware wise, its going good,

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Well done for swallowing Sony's rhetoric so well. I was going through this in my head last night.

1. To my knowledge there are no UMD burners in existence except those controlled by Sony. You cannot buy counterfit UMDs. Period. Nor can you burn them at home.

2. PSP games are upwards of 1GB in size most of the time. Most home broadband connections are download capped these days, and torrent ports are routinely blocked.

3. Memory sticks are still very expensive. Unless you buy a job lot from overseas, the cheapest you can get a 4GB here in the UK is £45.

That means a PSP pirate must have a fast internet connection, be savvy enough to use bittorrent, and have cash to burn on memory sticks, since you can only fit a few games on your stick at a time. Either that or they spend most of their time copying games over from their PCs.

Just how many people do you think satisfy all these criteria? It's gonna be pretty bloody low.

Unlike the other consoles on which piracy is/was pretty prevalent (eg. the Playstation, PS2 or Dreamcast) there is no way that you can have one or two tech-savvy people per area downloading games and burning them, then selling them off cheap to their mates. Nor do you have big illegal factories running churning out piles and piles of counterfit game discs.

For the average consumer it is cheaper, easier and faster to just go out and buy the damned UMD.

Given all of that, do you honestly believe that the PSP is suffering due to piracy? I sure as hell am not buying that one.

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Originally Posted by SpooForBrains

2. PSP games are upwards of 1GB in size most of the time. Most home broadband connections are download capped these days, and torrent ports are routinely blocked.

3. Memory sticks are still very expensive. Unless you buy a job lot from overseas, the cheapest you can get a 4GB here in the UK is £45.

That means a PSP pirate must have a fast internet connection, be savvy enough to use bittorrent, and have cash to burn on memory sticks, since you can only fit a few games on your stick at a time. Either that or they spend most of their time copying games over from their PCs.

Just how many people do you think satisfy all these criteria? It's gonna be pretty bloody low.


For the average consumer it is cheaper, easier and faster to just go out and buy the damned UMD.

Given all of that, do you honestly believe that the PSP is suffering due to piracy? I sure as hell am not buying that one.

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2) there not alot that go past 1GB
I myself use a 1GB stick and am fine with it
capped broadband ???
lol
im using 750kbps DSL and find no porblem at all for only $20 a month, forwarding ports takes about 1min to do, its not that hard to set up a static IP
very esay to do and get going, you dont even need to forward it, it will still download, but a little slower
also µTorrent > all

3) a 2GB stick can be purchased for about $30
most PSP games on average are 500MB
there not expensive at all

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Originally Posted by Joe88

2) there not alot that go past 1GB
I myself use a 1GB stick and am fine with it
capped broadband ???
lol
im using 750kbps DSL and find no porblem at all for only $20 a month, forwarding ports takes about 1min to do, its not that hard to set up a static IP
very esay to do and get going, you dont even need to forward it, it will still download, but a little slower
also µTorrent > all

3) a 2GB stick can be purchased for about $30
most PSP games on average are 500MB
there not expensive at all

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Quite possibly, but (and correct me if I'm wrong here) the DS also has the ability to play "backed-up" games, using a flashcart / storage device, isn't that true? So if both systems are equally capable of running pirate games, why should it be a factor in poor sales of PSP titles but not for the DS?

lucky guys, i got my 4gb for 180 euros...well, 2 weeks later the price was cut by halt :(
well, about the huge size of psp isos, isn't there a way to compress them? sometime ago i read it's possible, but i forgot where it was, as it isn't important to me.

that would mean an "improvement" in the piracy scene if you could download the games faster - which could make the psp even more piracy-friendly :/

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Originally Posted by Makaveli777

I like this article. I still fail to understand the misguided hate towards Sony. Especially since their systems always have good games.

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There really aren't many good games for the PSP. I think it's mainly limited by the analogue nub, which is very uncomfortable to use, and quite difficult to be precise with.

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Originally Posted by Cynidez

Im not saying everyone uses it for illegal stuff, that would be naive.

What im saying is that, the small majority that do use it for illegal stuff are whats causing Sony to take this stance on it.

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Well if it truly was a small majority of people doing illegal stuff, then Sony wouldn't be changing the firmware every time someone hacks it. It has to be large enough for them to worry about it.

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

Not True, at least 15-20 percent are moving.

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What now?DDR is on the 360 and Gamecube, Dynasty warriors is coming out for the DS and GBA, and DBZ Budokai Tenkaitchi 2 is out for the Wii. Seems %100 to me.

i believe the ps2 had at least one firmware update specifically for dvd playback that came with the official remote or perhaps on demo discs as well.