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for the most part i agree with thtat .. well said i just wish more people will see that and stop defending them like they are heroes.... stopping a corrupt site is one thing but when you hurt normal people in the process thats taking it to farQuote:
Originally Posted by zoson
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Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
They are not hurting anyone, they just made it so the update remains as is, and if it happens to be tinkered with it will brick the psp to keep stupid people (ps3news) from doing it and trying to mark it off as their own!!!
The reason I need 333mhz in the XMB is because all my emulators have custom icons, backgrounds, and music so when running the XMB at 222mhz they take about 4-5sec to load. But when under 333mhz it only takes them 1-2sec to load, I guess I'm just anal about having them working flawlessly. Also when the XMB is clocking at 333mhz that means the internet browser runs under 333mhz (Yes this is true, use PRXInfo to see yourself) and I'm just comfortable at running these things in 333 so to be forced to use 222 all of a sudden is just a bad thing for me. All that aside I believe if they give us the option to be able to run the XMB at 333 then we should have that chance, otherwise it's a bug. So yeah I have alot of icons and music and I would like to see it the pop up quickly instead of waiting that extra time, it just makes my custom PSP that much better. So please M33 team adress these issues ASAP please I would appreciate it alot. Lastly like Xg I'm eagerly waiting for that next blog update from the great StrmnNrmn.
they may not be hurting anyone directly but in their program the means are there. if someone simply changes somthing it will brick. so inderectly they are responsible.
although they do have the right to protect their files they also have the responsiblity to ensure that their files do not cause harm. a good programmer should not allow their program to break the hardware just for being tweaked. by adding this little security measure they are doing nothing but harm people... nothing beneficial is coming from this. if someone alters it they will brick their psp....but if someone simply downloads it from a source that has altered it it will still brick thier psp. although they have the right to secure themselves from the first they must keep in mind that there actions will effect more than just the people who intentional broke thier policies.
and their direct attack on the ps3 site simply showed thier true colors. they didnt have to do that it just brought them down to his level
Nah, not that simple :) They did it really well.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoson
Besides, it still isn't M33's fault - they can't help it due to someone deleting the key it didn't decrypt.
You're saying if someone hex edited a Sony eboot and it bricked then it'd be Sony's fault?
Logic does kinda stump people doesn't it :)
Trust me, if you knew what kind of people these people are, you would be REALLY glad that people are finially fighting back against them. PS3NEWS deserves to die.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
Cloudy
the vsh normally underclocks for music and other stuff for some reason ( i dunno) i have managed to fix it by using music.prx and configuring the config file to 0...
This is from the config file:
So id try that and see if it fixes your problem because it fixed mine :)Quote:
ENABLE_VSH_CLOCK = 0 #set to 0 to disable the VSH from changing the cpu's speed, normally this is 1
#the vsh normally changes the clock speed when playing music with the screen off (to 133mHz cpu/44mHz bus)
#when stoping the browser
#up to 333mHz when playing certain video files (possibly, I haven't been able to confirm this)
#and back to 222mHz when the above things are stopped
#this also allows overclocking in the vsh browser
I couldnt agree more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloudhunter
Too bad innocent people got hurt by this.
It wouldnt be the first time some jack@ss edited a popular file that bricked someones psp.
i do know what type of people theyr are.... but i also know what type of people we are and i want to see those two identities share as few similarities as possibily
I also know that people like this site have and always will exist. Its just the way the world is there will always be some jerk ruining it for everyone else but that doesnt mean we should sink to their level.
If you dont download from ps3news you have nothing to worry about :pQuote:
Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
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Originally Posted by MicroNut
Actually in a scenario like that Sony could be held responsible as they have been in the past, It is common practice to write your code or make your products to withstand tampering and modification.
oh really? what if I download it from a filesharing program or a torrent, and the file i download just happens to be the won from the ps3 site. would it then be my fault ? or perhaps i update over a friends house like i have done in the past...Am I supposed to check my friends cache and history to make sure he did not get it from them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Chameleon
No offence, but u sounds like a stuck up wanker.Quote:
Originally Posted by zoson
If you dun like this software, DONT use it. How hard is that?
Yeah like who?Quote:
Originally Posted by zoson
AFAIK only 2 are active: M33 & Wildc*ard.
Maybe sum1 else make better one, yeah I hope so too. So u better just wait then... wait & waiting.... & keep waiting...
sir if you get an update from a torrent or filesharing program you deserve to brick cause your a doucheQuote:
Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
and updating at a friends house... how about asking the fella, chances are hes not going to a virtually no-named site for updates
I think that you are giving people a little too much credit. I have helped a lot of people get hombrew set up on their psp probably more than half of them still have no idea what they are doing. I cant be there helping them all the time, and i know for a fact that they see no problem in simply googling somthng and downloading it.... does being a noob also make them a douche? i guess we live in a day and age where not being a computer expert means that you deserve whatever you get even if that is a broken psp
when you were a noob ( ask yourself this) did you rush into flashing something that you knew could potentially harm your valuable (PSP) no you ask questions and you get to the bottom of the situation ( hence why you, and even I get asked psp questions all the time)
anyways do you even realize what this whole license thing is trying to accomplish... its trying to weed out the losers so they wont do it anymore, and trust me its the most effective way...
after this do you really think ps3 news is going to modify the update..NO, they wont because its already bricked one psp from ps3news!!
So where in hand will noobs going to ps3news and updating lay into this... in the furure it wont
not everyone is into homebrew etc as you and me a lot of people dont put any thought into what they install at all... I could name a few people i know
it may be the most effective way but that doesnt make it the best way.... nuclear bombs are the most effective way to end war does that mean they are justified?
great the ps3news staff bricked his psp and so did many people whos only crime was to visit a site with no respect for intellectual property
great no more noobs will go to their site it's not like another site wont pop up.... just think one of those bricked noob could have been the next DAX given the time
In that case, the responsibility lies with the torrent uploader (who didn't test it before uploading) and PS3NEWS still :)Quote:
Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
If they regulary use that site, then they wouldn't be the next Dark_AleX.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
Either way, this is not M33's fault :) Their newest update will not brick PSP's by not decrypting.
Cloudy
would u just go into a shop n buy ANYTHING the salesman ask u to before checking on the market prices? if u would i can say u're just plain stupid...
being NOOB is totally fine...cos after spending some time reading and researching...they'll be fine...
but being IGNORANT is a totally different thing altogether...
you really think another site will pop up and try to modify updates?
okay here is a riddle for you...
whats the diffence between a site started that has one goal and its to put out brickers...
or a site that starts and modifies updates and it ends up bricking peoples PSPs?
Spoiler!
the fault may lie with the torrent but dont forget that the whole thing could have been avoided easily by the m33 team. i am sure there are other ways of doing things
you really think one wouldnt?
Who in their right mind would dl cfw's and updates to it from a filesharing program when you can go to m33's site and dl it from them directly. If you went over ur friends house, you would hopefully be smart enough to look at your friends psp to see if it bricked. Its all common sense, dont update if ur friend bricked thats just not smart.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
Ive used the m33 3.52 firmware all of the way up to update 4 without any problems. Great releases no matter how small they are great work m33 keep it up.
for reference remember the fake dark_alex releasing update brickers...he got shut down didnt he
yes but that was different
he was in it to be a jerk however when it comes to ps3news they are in it for the money.... which is a far more motivating benefit. throughout time people have stole ideas in the name of profit and there will never be any way to completely stop it. and I dont thinking hurting the innocent is really the best way to go about solving things
Hmm... when I think back to my first days of the PSP scene, in which I had no knowlegde, the 2.0 downgrader had just come out, and they showed on G4 live, the downgrading process. I wanted to downgrade people's PSPs, but I was scared to, so I did a lot of research and studying on various sites, and on readme files, and then I finally downgraded and everything went well.
Now, what if it so happened that the site I went to was the ps3news site...
Don't get me wrong, I like what M33 is doing, but I wish that they would have outlined it clearly in their readme or something, that getting the program from these specific sites could potentially brick your PSP, and then explain why.
Fortunately now, if all goes wrong, there will be a recovery to help you out of it.
no recovery for those who bricked from the last update.... oh well for them.... i guess its only natural to have casualties in war
yes this is obviously why m33 is taking the intiative to stop these lamers, because nobody is going to stop them unless somebody decides to do something about it (hence the security enhancements)Quote:
Originally Posted by thefanaticgamer
right and hurting the public is okay if it stops one man and gets a m33 adequate revenge.... i guess the ends justify the means
From what I know the M33 Team didn't do anything it was the people from Ps3news who hex edited and broke the encryption...
if you didnt know ripped material has been going on for ages, and this is a means to send a message to others wishing to potray the ps3news aspect... and to put an end to it once an for all!
put yourself in their shoes, you release a custom firmware which you worked hard on, would you let people ripping your material, and claming it as their own get away with such cruel tasks?
I think not!!!
true but m33 released a program that if tampered would brick a psp.... even knowing that it would indeed be tampered with and then released to the public....if i gave away free knives but made everone agree not to hurt people i would still be responsible for the actions committed with the knives....
right and there is no possible way of doing this other than somthing that will result in bricks....
In the case of the fake dax as you brought up i remember that we were able to shut him down with information....
I understand what M33 was trying to do, but they went to far. It would have been more than enough to prevent the eboot from running if it had been altered by exiting back to the xmb. Instead they allow the update to run as though nothing is wrong. They wrote up a "ban" list containing false information on what would take to brick your psp. Heck, they didn't even give a means to tell if the the eboot is bad or not via a checksum. I don't think ends justify the means.
But before you flash you agree to take all responsibility so you can't really blame them.
if they really claimed it as their own it would say 3.52 ps3news-4 when you went to system info
it says 3.52 m33
remember that
The eula does not protect m33 from all responsibility. It only protects them from things outside their control. Things like hardware failure, acts of god etc. This however is different, they have full control here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gizmo356
so tha mothafukka owner of ps3news was the one responsable of all this shaitz
what are his modifications about??, puting a logo or something, what an ass
Now, that this is clarified I'll update and see what is this about
Just let me get this straight, dcemu hosted files = no bricking right
edit: forget it, just did and worked
In a small way I understand your point.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperTetelmanMan
Update with an official firmware and the software bricks,
Good reason for a warrenty.
Good reason to download it from Sony.
Would you tell Sony you downloaded your update from a non-official site when asking for warrenty?
On the whole however the point is completly lost.
I am going to hold Sony responsible for Custom firmware?
Could I hold them responsible for a maliciously hex edited official update?
Not likely.
PS3news did what they did knowing the outcome.
They were warned in advance and did nothing to prevent it.
Instead they did it anyways.
And good people got hurt.
1. ummnnn.... it WAS in the readme. PS3 news probably cut that part out of their package.Quote:
Don't get me wrong, I like what M33 is doing, but I wish that they would have outlined it clearly in their readme or something, that getting the program from these specific sites could potentially brick your PSP, and then explain why.
2. I still don't get this nonsense about ripping of other's work and playing it off as if it were thier own. GIVE ME 1 FRICKEN' EXAMPLE OF WHEN THAT SITE DID SUCH A THING? Most of your are simply talking out of your rear end because you don't know what you're talking about in the slightest.
3. The only thing they edited (or try to) was the bit in the program and the readme that simply BASHED thier site.
Having said that, I looks like I'll have to say this yet again. It is a site that is in it for the mony and therefore will post and host anything and everything related to PSP even if it was a ripoff or illegal (containing sony .prx files or whatever). They have always given credit where credit was due (or at least to whomever PROVIDED THE FILE TO THEM AND CLAIMED IT AS THIER OWN) INCLUDING PRAISING TEAM M33 FOR THIER NEW RELEASE!!!!!
Yes, caps intended because many of you are just jumping on the bandwagon and can't get it through your thick skulls exatly where the problem lies. M33 is Pissed because (Wildc*rd ???) Stole thier code and released thier own firmware and taking credit (or too much credit... neither here nor there for this conversation). PS3n*** hosted it and will continue to host it and future releases of it. They don't care. They will host anything as long as the entire staff isn't aware that a file will brick PSPs and then they will remove the file. This is the only sin I've seen the sight commit, although that's sin enough for most people.
I had about 6 or 7 other points to make but lost my train of thought.
anyways My final, unwavering word on the whole matter is this: Kudos for M33s progress and thank you so much for continuing development of custom firmware...
but PS3news AND M33... shame on you BOTH.
and PS if Wildc*rd was the wrong team to mention, please don't take it personal, I'm just trying to get a point across.
I'm pretty sure they didn't have any control over an outside force tampering with their code...Quote:
Originally Posted by jamotto
I think a checksum would have been nice, but if it was never necessary in the past, you can't possibly expect m33 to have predicted that it would have been necessary for this release because some idiot screwed around with a hex editor.
It just seems like the lot of you need something to complain about. Nice work m33...I for one will continue to support your work!
Thank you :)Quote:
It just seems like the lot of you need something to complain about. Nice work m33...I for one will continute to support your work!
M33 is a great team and even if they killed someone I will still support them.. they fixed my brightness issue i was having :thumbup:
@ urherenow- im not the only one saying this sh*t maybe this thread will shead a little light on your false reality!!
Hey how come the zip file is said to be passworded but when I downloaded it, it's not? I just wana make sure no1 has been tinkering with the file.