There are British troops there too, it's like a cool UK/US joint operation. One time on T.V. someone said that the UK was like the United Stated 51st State, which is somewhat cool (in a strange and bizarre way) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
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There are British troops there too, it's like a cool UK/US joint operation. One time on T.V. someone said that the UK was like the United Stated 51st State, which is somewhat cool (in a strange and bizarre way) :DQuote:
Originally Posted by JKKDARK
No, thats not good at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by VampDude
We don't want to be put in the same place as the yanks. We don't shoot our own troops.
the americans do that for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triv1um
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Originally Posted by Triv1um
American soldiers are much different to British soldiers, American soldiers attack first and think later whereas British soldiers think before attacking.Quote:
Originally Posted by Accordion
From: NYSUN
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Earlier this year, Britain's Defense Secretary Des Browne said that since 1990 12 British personnel had died in friendly fire incidents involving American forces in Iraq, but that there had been no such deaths in Afghanistan.
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American fire has mistakenly killed five Canadian soldiers: One died last September when an American warplane called in for air support during an anti- Taliban operation mistakenly fired on NATO troops, and four were killed in April 2002 when an American pilot dropped a 500-pound bomb near where the troops were apparently conducting a live-fire exercise, which the pilot mistook for Taliban action.
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British rules of engagement only allow troops to open fire when attacked, using the minimum force necessary and only at identified targets.
The American approach was markedly different: "When US troops are attacked with mortars in Baghdad, they use mortar-locating radar to find the firing point and then attack the general area with artillery, even though the area they are attacking may be in the middle of a densely populated residential area.
"They may well kill the terrorists in the barrage but they will also kill and maim innocent civilians. That has been their response on a number of occasions. It is trite, but American troops do shoot first and ask questions later. They are very concerned about taking casualties and have even trained their guns on British troops, which has led to some confrontations between soldiers.
I do not support the war on Iraq, or but what i do support is american soilders raping and killing women and chlidren ! because whats a war without war crimes. There are accually soilders in iraq going f**King crazy because of the shit that goes on there. and that my friends is a bad thing ! i cant do much, but stephen harper is like the presidents best friend, so i say kill goerge bush, maybe, but still its not like corporate amerika will let this war end anytime soon.
But if you kill Bush then you'll turn him into a hero.
Iraq has become a lose-lose situation for us. We are slowly realizing that our puppet government will never take a deep root, especially if we pull out soon. On the other hand, our continued presence in the region makes Russia nervous.
Personally, I don't see America successfully resolving the Iraq conflict. Perhaps, in a fantasy world, America would turn imperial and permanently occupy Iraq. That would stabilize Iraq, but it would also lead to Global war - an undesirable outcome.
If we pull out too soon, Iraq will collapse and spend the next decade in a state of civil war. During that period, it will truly become a breeding ground for terrorists.
We need a more commercial presence in Iraq. If they start becoming properly schooled, and if they begin to enjoy the benefits of trade, they will slowly begin to like us. Thus, I advocate a smaller military presence and a higher commercial presence.
Are you John Titor follower? (supposed Time Traveler from 2036)Quote:
Originally Posted by iniquitous_beast
From when you said Global War plus Russia and Civil War (which is why I highlighted those words), I remembered what I read a while back on what he wrote back in 2000. He said that America would end up in civil war, and Russia would start WWIII.
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Originally Posted by iniquitous_beast
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so offensive.
I don't support the war in Iraq but as others have said I support the troops and admire their bravery!
no, that is not cool. we should push to DISTANCE ourselves from the americans, not be bloody owned by them. our language is becoming amercanised, with lots of "z"s (or as many brits now cal them "zees"). film and game publishers/devs can't be ****ed putting it into the ACTUAL ENGLISH LANGUAGE. there is no such thing as "american english"....when somone in a game, especially a british character, says "daiper" or some such WRONG word, the americans are one step closer to becoming our leaders.it sucks, because technically that is actually WRONG, there is no such word in the english language, if you know what i mean...especially the word "color", with lazy american spelling...it's the same with dates. many things now have the completely WRONG date, or a date which DOES NOT EXIST IN THE UK, by putting things like, using today as an example, 8/25/07. THERE ARE 12 MONTHS NOT 25! THIS IS AN AMERICAN DATE THEREFORE WRONG HERE.Quote:
Originally Posted by VampDude
and iniquitus beast, do you really think that putting mcdonald's restaurants into iraq will save the situation?
and also, i don't admire the bravery of the troops, they are just doing their job, like every other person. teachers aren't given hero status if they are killed. they know the risks, it's their choice to join the army. if they get killed, yes it's a shame, but oh well, they were doing a really dangerous job, they knew that it might happen. obviously i don't want them to get killed, but if they do, people should dtop pretending to be shocked and surprised. anyway, the troop deaths are nothing compared to iraqui CIVILLIAN casualties.
everyone should watch fahrenheit 9/11, that will show you exactly how illegal the war is.
I don't support any of this, im just going to germany if this escalates.
I don't even see why the UK is getting involved. Iraqs beef is with the US, so why the hell is UK getting involved? WE HAVE NOTHING IN COMMON EXCEPT A SLIGHT SIMULARITY IN LANGUAGE. Not to be a wimp or anything, but i would have thought Britain should keep themselves to themselves and just let these two countries sort themselves out, instead of making themselves a suicide bomb magnet. Im seriously p***ed of now, coz ever since we got involved, theres been NOTHING BUT SUICIDE BOMB ATTEMPTS IN LONDON. :mad: Luckily the bombs dont go off coz there so shitty. :o
i love bush. XD lol.
Don't joke like that asshole this is serious.:mad:
Its called Anglo-American. UK and US seem to be extreme allies. You don't like that, huh?Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmarco
Oh well. This is why I'll never get in politics.
Nothing in common except for the fact the UK spawned the US. Thats like a father son kinda thing, except without the caring.
I disagree.Quote:
Originally Posted by iniquitous_beast
They think different then the United States. Changing how they think isn't fair. Aren't we there to help the people?
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Originally Posted by gdf
I'm so sorry, but I am seriously laughing my ass off at your ignorance. You obviously just listen to the biased news and can not think for yourself to make your own decision based off of research and common since.
Why do all UK people try to insult Americans with McDonald's? People in the US don't love it as much as you think. iniquitous beast was not talking about putting a "McDonald's" in Iraq. He was talking about Iraq building large industries that produce goods from natural resources in Iraq that can be traded with other countries to increase national revenue. This would help establish a solid economy in Iraq and allow people to have jobs resulting in less violence.
Seriously, how does insulting US English help prove your point at all:confused:. I am sure that US English has a little bit of influence on UK English. But if you knew anything about history you would know that all languages change over time to adapt to culture. If you talked to a person 100 years from now in the UK or the US they would probably have no idea what you would saying.
I have seen Fahrenheit 9/11 and I must say it is nothing but bias. Saying that war is illegal is stupid. There have been thousands of wars between all different kinds of people since the beginning of time. War is just part of human nature.
Terrorist Bombings in the UK have been going on a lot longer than the war in Iraq. You can't blame that on the US.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elmarco
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All the crap that is going on in the World is just obvious foreshadowing that World War 3 is in the very near future.
I dont blame the US. And I live in the UK. We had hardly any suicide bombings before all this started. Why would we? There was no-one who had a grudge. and even if we did get a suicide bomber, it would be one of our own insane people who were campaigning to save the whales or some sh*t. Now we get about 3-4 attempts a month, mostly at airports, BY IRAQIS. I'm just saying if the UK kept it nose out, we'd probably be alot safer over here.Quote:
Originally Posted by BrooksyX
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people actually believe a country is in ruin because it is not completely industrial/commercial?…
No, I don't support the war, and think all soldiers - no matter where they come from - should be called back from Iraq.
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Originally Posted by Man
i wasn't using mcdonald's to insult americans. it was used as an example of a commercial business. after all it is the most commercial business out there. obviously language changes, but it just just pisses me off that the us have such a bearing on our culture. and anyway, you're the one in the us, you couldn't really understand what it's like. how would you feel if the media began using "grey" rather than "gray"? you'd say "GOD-DANG! THAT'S WRONG!"... that's what it is, a little bit of difference my arse, there are many words that are spelled wrong all over the place...perhaps you are a bit too patriotic for your own good. america gets all the global bias, and also consumes 20 PERCENT of the world's resources. they have 5 percent of the population. fahrenheit 9/11 is a very well informed and researched documentary that many americans won't like as it points out how corrupt their country is. it's rotten to the core. britain is almost as bad, if not worse, but at least we accept that. americans seem to think that commerciality is the cure, when it is infact a major problem. obviously saying war is illegal is debatable, but then again, murder is illegal...Quote:
Originally Posted by BrooksyX
i'm not generalising all americans obviously, but some are like this. the government think they are supposed to rule the world, and that isn't good. anyway, i don't know what there came from "biased news reports". if anything i would say YOU should stop watching fox news. i'm just a guy who hates to see one country control everything. they shouldn't be in iraq, full stop. watch the massive sarcastic social commentary that is "team america: world police". it's funny 'cos it's true.
anyway we all have our own opinions, and on this occasion ours clearly differ.
inquitousbeast said a "smaller military presence and a higher commercial presence". if he was meaning what you said, he could have put it better. i interpreted that as meaning a lower us military presence and higher us commercial presence, given how he put the whole point.
and i rambled on about your language because, if you care to read the above posts, the topic was derailed somewhat when vampdude said it was "cool" that britain was like a us state.
on your response to elmarco: the reason we are being hit by terrorists is because of our involvement in iraq and afghanistan. now i'm not saying it was the fault of the us, but we shouldn't have got involved.
so basically yeah, we are viewing this from totally different perspectives and i would expect that is the reason we won't understand each other.:thumbup:
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Fahrenheit 9/11 wasnt about proving that war is illegal and stupid because its not, its proving that bush is stupid.
war at this moment really has no point after all we bombed the shit out of iraq and now what the FUKK else is there to do??..
bring the troops home.. :( please
i dont like the war in iraq because we have nato and sends norwegian troops there and yes send that monkey eared man down from the president chair =( i hate bush so much
I thinking we should kill more Iraqis.
"I thinking" that's a retarded idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Triv1um
Also, what the hell do you mean by "we"?
im not joining the english army because the americans will kill me in a hail of friendly fire
pull you fist out of your a** before you post, do you honestly think anybody would support killings and rapings, i was mearly bringing to peoples atention the horrors of war, maybe i shouldnt have used a satirical way of getting my point across, i guess some of our slower members dont get sarcasm.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrave
What does sarcasm mean?;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Man
It was used in a totally wrong context and in a way too serious case, and in the rest of your post, it seems those are really your standpoints, which makes it even more trustworthy. Don't believe I'm the only that thought you were actually serious, because I'm not. I didn't, and still don't, have my fist in my ass when I posted, and I don't regret it. I don't see myself as "some of our slower members" either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Man
lol i do. either way, smell your fingers just to make sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrave
on a more serious note, war isnt good, the only people i think its good for are war mongers like goerge bush, btw, maybe the sarcasm was undeserved, under the circumstances, but still i wasnt serious.
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Originally Posted by Man
I didn't take what Man wrote seriously, and yes... You in fact do have your fist in your ass, it's not such a big deal what he wrote so get over it!Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrave
And you are of the slower users, believe me.
I would. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrave
I think Bush is only in it for oil. He doesn't care if his image is bad. He and his friends will be rich if they can get their hands on the oil.
He is, he was in the oil business from long ago. He knows what he's doing, even before he was president he knew what he was doing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ExcruciationX
I reckon that he currently has someone to do his bidding for him, because several sources have mentioned oil in the past three to four years.Quote:
From: Famous Texans
On June 22, 1990, George Jr. sold two-thirds of his Harken stock for $848,560-a cool 200 percent profit. The move was well timed. One week after Junior sold his stock, Harken announced a $23.2 million loss in quarterly earnings and Harken stock dropped sharply, losing 60 percent of its value over the next six months. On August 2, 1990, Iraqi troops moved into Kuwait and 541,000 U.S. forces were deployed to the Gulf.
"There is substantial evidence to suggest that Bush knew Harken was in dire straits in the weeks before he sold the $848,560 of Harken stock," asserted U.S. News & World Report. The magazine noted Harken appointed Junior to a 'fairness committee' to study possible economic restructuring of the company. Junior worked closely with financial advisers from Smith Barney, Harris Upham & Company, who concluded "only drastic action could save Harken."
i have to say i wasn't entirely sure if man was being serious or not. the rest of the post made little sense and it was an ill advised joke in such a serious context. i wouldn't say blackrave has his fist up his ass when he posts, he is a very intelligent guy, with way better english than 90% of the brits and americans here.
I've "been over it" all the time. I'm not the one who made a big deal out of it. I simply called Man an idiot, because he is after posting that post. If I'm one of the slower users, then so are definitely you, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by VampDude
Please read what Man said once more:
I do not support the war on Iraq, or but what i do support is american soilders raping and killing women and chlidren ! because whats a war without war crimes. There are accually soilders in iraq going f**King crazy because of the shit that goes on there. and that my friends is a bad thing ! i cant do much, but stephen harper is like the presidents best friend, so i say kill goerge bush, maybe, but still its not like corporate amerika will let this war end anytime soon.
He's mixing sarcasm and his true opinions way too much to make out that anything of it is sarcasm. Man, what you said after the thing about killing and raping, that is your opinion, right? This is just stupid.
It was actually one of the most intelligent and greatest guys here on the forums that brought that post up in the IRC channel yesterday, and it seemed to me as he understood the post as serious, too. He even said it was time to lock the thread. So don't go and call me retarded and/or similar.
Thanks, gdf. It's really nice of you. You're definitely one of the smarter guys here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gdf
His sarcasm was the joke if you didn't get it, I got the joke within the seriousness from the word go.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackrave
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Originally Posted by blackrave
I said that to just to point out but mark3000001 said it was fine.
I hope that is a collective we, because I didn't vote at all. I didn't see a point of voting because none of the independents had a chance, and I don't like dems or reps.Quote:
Originally Posted by theICE_MAN
I support the troops, but id rather see them home in canada, but i dont agree with what some people are doing in iraq, there are things going on that dont really get alot of media attention, ie. i was looking through my local newspaper, and saw a really small article about three american solders that raped a daughter and mother in front of the rest of the family, then killed the whole family, for no reason at all. and they were sent home, but that didnt make big news, at least as far as i know, stuff over there is bad.
PS. no sarcasm was used in the above paragraph, im MAN and i aprove this message.