"No Real Need" for Consoles

Yet they forget that Consoles carry a different culture of people than the PC gaming culture. Consoles are easier targets for children since its more user friendly and with all those crazy accessories(toys) for children I doubt the console industry will ever get lost(huge market). People like to claim the gap between console and pc are merging but I doubt that because if people right now are confused about 1080i and p you really think they would prefer being confused about which vid card to use(install). Just face the facts that they both offer different experiences as well.

on a pc: windows/linux/macs you have to install the game. and maybe you have to upgrade your software/hardware and that is not free =( (eh hardware hehe) but on a console you just put the game in play and thats easy =D. im still playing pc games though

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Originally Posted by mistac

I was talking about the RECOMMENDED life cycle of a business PC as laid out by professionals in the business.

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yea these professionals are the same jackasses that sell you the same word processor every 3 years JUST so you can manage simple task's that havent changed since before the PC

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My original post was referring to a comment made that consoles were useful for 4-5 years and PCs last longer. PCs do last longer but in order to play the latest games they will no doubt require some upgrades, video cards, ram, even Operating System, etc and the cost can be easily equal to if not greater than a new console.

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and i call bull, ive had my machine since 2003 and have dropped

80$ in a cpu
100$ in ram
100$ in video

and it runs mostly the same games as a 360

minus the cpu power its better than a 360 in ram, audio, AND video

and thats half the cost of a 360 when it came out

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For anyone familiar with the BBC sitcom, Only Fools and Horses, the gaming PC is the electronic equivalent to Trigger's broom.

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never heard of it, see here on the internet we could be from any number of places that did not grow up on the BBC as our government provided propaganda machine

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Hopefully I've made myself clearer this time and no one will feel the necessity to jump on me because of a misinterpretation between what's recommended and what actually happens.

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you did, you stated some research that is truly meaningless in the REAL world and backed it up with some obsucre TV show most have never heard of

point well taken :rofl:

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Originally Posted by kjetil1991

on a pc: windows/linux/macs you have to install the game. and maybe you have to upgrade your software/hardware and that is not free =( (eh hardware hehe) but on a console you just put the game in play and thats easy =D. im still playing pc games though

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give it time my friend

IF the ps3 wasnt the neo-geo of its day you would be installing software on your 360, or at least swapping disks

you still have to have some software updates if you want to play online (same as pc)

and there currently are hardware options for your beloved consoles ... same as pc you dont have to have them, but if your stock (small) disk is too full of crap you cant live without, you MUST upgrade hardware

they are converging, this isnt a 32 bit 66mhz 486 with a 540mb disk and cd rom vs a 16 bit 7mhz sega anymore, they are SO close that at one point were going to snap back to the days of the adam and c-64

is it a computer with games? or a game with a keyboard ...

Personally I couldn't see me and my friends crowding around my computer to play Rockband. Sure if I had the money for an HDTV it might be alright. But then I'm sure the specs would be insane for no reason then I'd have to upgrade my PC just to play it. (I'm still running a 2.4ghz Athlon 3700+, just upgraded video to a Geforce 7600GS for $100) It runs most recent games "decently" but it's never going to compare to a hardcore gaming PC. I love sitting around on a console and just playing a nice co-op game or busting out a quick game of this or that. It's just easier. PC can be a hassle but as with most people RTS is for PC gaming. I don't think consoles have any reason to die off, but but nor will PC's.

I will always stay with my consoles for video gaming until... Computer companies make controllers and addons work without frivoulous drivers, Game disks can be dropped into a drive and just run (no stupid installation or setup/install). They make antipiracy software work without hindering my ability to play because it can't detect if it is the correct cd(it's really annoying when you have the right cd in and it still complains). bluetooth adapters and controllers are are easy to connect and reconnect easily even when batteries die. They give us only one set of requirements on the game box and those requirements actually play the game really well. drivers for new required hardware are easy to install and don't complain or error a fie.

obviously to complete these requirements different companies may have to work together. probably won't happen.

also if console makers do stupid stuff to make gaming difficult to set up then I'll dump them for that too.

Frankly I want to be able to enjoy playing games and not waste time setting them up. consoles are really easy in that aspect even the ps3 doesn't require that much setup process unless you are going high def with linux or something like that. in that case though it is your fault for making it complicated.

simplify simplify, simplify!

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Originally Posted by osgeld

never heard of it, see here on the internet we could be from any number of places that did not grow up on the BBC as our government provided propaganda machine

you did, you stated some research that is truly meaningless in the REAL world and backed it up with some obsucre TV show most have never heard of

point well taken :rofl:

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Typical response from a forum troll. ITIL is a world-wide recognised certification, and is accepted as Best Practice in a majority of large organisations. For most of these organisations an ITIL certification is required if you want to make it to management level in the ICT business. That's REAL world. Maybe your real world consists of "repairing" PCs for your friends and neighbours, but in the real world I work in, managing support for 50,000+ users requires a level of understanding of certain best practice methods. Please don't think I just jumped in without any practical knowledge. Before moving into management I did my time as a computer engineer for companies responsible for the standards in technology you're using right now, including IBM. It's possible some of my research/work is sitting inside your PC right now.

Let me explain Trigger's broom to see if your limited world view can grasp it.

Trigger tells everyone about a medal he received from the local council for owning the same broom for twenty years, despite the fact that it has actually had 17 new heads and 14 new handles in that time.

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Originally Posted by osgeld

and i call bull, ive had my machine since 2003 and have dropped

80$ in a cpu
100$ in ram
100$ in video

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Therefore it is not the same machine you started with, what you have in fact is Trigger's broom.

Thank you for proving my point. :rofl:

I'm not going to waste any more of my time debating on this thread, I've had my say and I'll leave it at that. Thank you for your time Osgeld.

To be clear, first I am a computer technician.
I understand the hardware very well.
There is no way that a 3 year old pc runing a $100 video card
is even remotely comparable to a 360.
A console is dedicated to the display of graphics and running geometric and physics calculations.
A pc is designed to run a variety of other tasks, including running your resource hogging OS.
I used to play games on my pc but it is a huge hassle to deal with.
And to run games that come even close to looking like they do on a ps3 would take an expensive graphics card. I have a duel core 3.0 ghz cpu 2 gigs of DDR2 800 mhz and a 256 meg graphics card. And all of this does not allow me to run games that look as good as the ps3.
Now I have seen many different console fanboys, and it looks like you are a PC fanboy.
There is no need for a flame war or to insult other people for their opinions.

@osgeld

I was just pointing out literal hardware costs its pretty obvious you get more tech for your money with a console than a pc.

Don't deny it, I can get an xbox 360 for £140, good luck getting a pc for that price.

And btw, this website is based in the UK, so it isn't odd to quote a show from here. And lol at calling the bbc propaganda, clearly you have no clue about it. Especially when you consider the rubbish that comes out of "independant" media.