Consoles are doomed - Romero

Romero obviously has not been paying attention the last 5-10 years where video games (specifically console) have become as mainstream as movies and pop music.

PC gaming is, and will always be a niche platform. Most people just like to sit on the couch and play for 20 minutes.

well wolfpack, im not too impressed with him, considering he just pointed fingers and told how it goes for quake and doom. john carmack is the one to thank.

very true, cant forget about carmack, he did a good job

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Originally Posted by werpu

I think now that console prices have hit PC regions there is a critical line reached which could cause a problem for consoles, especially since the overall savings are zero, in fact they are more expensive if you add in the game prices.

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Agreed. Consoles are becoming too expensive. Nintendo (NES) was cutting edge for it's day but it didn't cost $700! Not even price adjusted for inflation!

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Originally Posted by JKKDARK

He is a ***got. He has not idea about video games

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I think you don't know who you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by werpu

I dont think so either, both consoles and PCs will stay, but the man has a point, the PS3 is at the upper limit of what a console should cost. Or in other words, thou shall not be as expensive as a PC...

Romero did not say consoles are obsolute, he just said the console makers have to rethink their strategies and place in the market to be competitive to the PC, and he has definitely a point there.

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Amen! It's simple. Consoles should not cost as much as something else that can do more.

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Originally Posted by kaffie

If you find yourself not wanting to turn up the gfx and sound to the max on any game then you are in the minority and yes PC gaming will be cheaper for you.

For most its the other way around.

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True. I always wanted to have the highest quality graphics and sound on my FPS as a kid and I never had the hardware to do it. The quality of the games progresses much faster on PC and if you want to be on the leading edge, it's not cheap. That's one point where consoles have an advantage. Not higher graphics than a PC overall, but always the same and always their best.

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Originally Posted by wolfpack99997

Sure daikatana was a failure but look at the other games, you guys are whining over ONE freaking game. Sure he can be a dumbass but think of doom, think of quake, those were classics, id software left a mark in history. i dont see how anyone here doesn't see that.

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I agree. I think the problem is that most of these people weren't in the scene when Doom and Quake were first released. They don't understand the impact and can't appreciate the contribution.

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Originally Posted by solid12345

Romero obviously has not been paying attention the last 5-10 years where video games (specifically console) have become as mainstream as movies and pop music.

PC gaming is, and will always be a niche platform. Most people just like to sit on the couch and play for 20 minutes.

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I must disagree that PC gaming is a niche platform. There are more PCs in homes than consoles and probably 95% are used for games. Granted mostly solitaire and mine sweeper, but games are games and if anything consoles are the niche platform. You don't honestly think that consoles came before the computer do you? Must we even get started on the MMOs and other games that have millions of players world wide?

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All in all, Romero is sounding like the people who hyped up the Segway. "People will stop walking!" they said. Well they were wrong.

Will people stop buying consoles? No, they're too easy. Are they better than computers for playing games? No, computers are better because they constantly evolve. Which is more expensive? I don't know; maybe it all comes out about even. But you can't replace one with the other just yet. They both provide different services. Ease and cutting edge.

Romero, You're the one that's DOOMED:rofl:

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Originally Posted by Psyberjock

I agree. I think the problem is that most of these people weren't in the scene when Doom and Quake were first released. They don't understand the impact and can't appreciate the contribution.

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I call bull on that.

And why is Daikatana such a problem? It was the first game he totally had control over. Quake and Doom? The whole ID team is to thank there. Yes maybe some of these PSP lovers are not old enough to know and appreciate these games, but Romero's acts have shown what a person he is well after Quake and Doom.

So yeah, Romero is a nut.

Y'know, I don't like consoles much myself, and I hardly ever play the ones I own, but they're still great for multiplayer because you only need one console and one TV and a bunch of overpriced controllers.

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Originally Posted by Vangar

I call bull on that.

And why is Daikatana such a problem? It was the first game he totally had control over. Quake and Doom? The whole ID team is to thank there. Yes maybe some of these PSP lovers are not old enough to know and appreciate these games, but Romero's acts have shown what a person he is well after Quake and Doom.

So yeah, Romero is a nut.

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I can't argue with you, you make a very valid point. But my intention was never to excuse Romero's nuttiness. He is a nut. Nor did I discount the contribution of the rest of the id team even though I didn't mention it. But Romero was a part of that team and he did have a positive impact. My references to people not appreciating Doom and Quake was based on the comments to the effect that Doom and Quake are POS. More of a comment on the direction the thread was taking and less on John Romero as a fortune teller.

Ah i see. No worries then mate.

If we're talking pure hardware then yeah, for the moment Romero is mad.

But what about the growth of the Micro payment gaming sites out there?

They've been in the Far East for ages, with games like Pangya and Gunbound etc. and now you've got:

goa.com
gpotato
gamescampus
ogplanet

They offer games for free, updates for free. You just
pay for the optional bits you like. Why pay a fortune for Wii Super Swing Golf when you can get the basic game for free on-line go multiplayer and use the money to personalise your character?

Free gaming the way to go?