I have offically concluded that iPhones are gay.

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Originally Posted by cataphrax

Wow, I guess all those companies should really apologize to you for providing you with a quality product that since you don't want automatically sucks and makes them total jerks for creating competition

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What the F**k are you talking about, there is no competition, thats the hole point, is that this big corporation can charge loay customers out the nose for there " must have " product, im saying its rediculous that people will just stand by and bend over for these companies to screw them.

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Originally Posted by cataphrax

I mean really, what the hell is their problem? Putting their jobs on the line trying to bring America a new line of products to help further the consumers options.

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Further consumer options, more like trim the herd, keep them happy by giving them somthing new to buy! HA an like hell this will " further consumer options" by what apple magically giving away its technology, like hell.

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Originally Posted by cataphrax

Oh yeah, and where the hell do they get off pricing their products in a way that although they still take a loss from each sale (well from the ps3, Im not so sure about the iphone) and yet its still not low enough for you to consider buying it. Ugh, it just makes me so mad...

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He he he ..... im on a roll, PS3, firstly, is a s**t box, and if they cant make a product that is affordable for THEM to make, then where the hell do they get off selling it to you ? do you like getting screwed ? need to buy a bunch of 70$ games and controllers so people dont feel like idiots for designing such a peice of S**T!

and where the hell do get off telling me that its because of overpriced hardware that i wont buy it, accually, what delegates to the rest of the consumers what they should be paying, the corporation that makes the product, because there not going to lower the price when a fat old white man can afford to buy all his kids iPhones, im really just sick of the iPod as a whole. and your point of veiw :D

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Originally Posted by cataphrax

But really though, everyone always flames products or speculates on whos system is better, or which one is gonna beat out all the rest, or what just totally sucks like "Wii blows!", "Ps3's too expensive!!!!!" etc. Just give it a freaking rest once in a while. Remember the good old days when people hated fanboys? Don't you remember?! Those were the best days of all......

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Wii will rule the earth. No dout about it. and im not a nintendo fanboy, i like microsoft, The prices just dont seem to agree with my wallet :( so i hope you see the error in your ways and go buy an iPhone to make your self feel better!

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Originally Posted by cataphrax

Well perhaps you should give some credit to sony. Yeah now their not using it to it's full capacity but since they crammed it full of so much extra crap, it won't go out of date for years and eventually programmers will need that cell processor and the blu-ray discs. Whos to say whether or not they introduced the technology too early for the market. But I do know they need a high capacity format, and it's not like they could use HD.

Plus how can you say that with all the psp, ds, and wii bashing goin on out there, it's not like their crammed worth of worthless features that make them cost too much. I just think this whole console war thing is getting a little ridiculous

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I accually agree with you, but why the hell would sony release a product that so far a head of its time, look what happened to the dreamcast, it bombed, it was expensive and ahead of its time. Ps3 might pull through, but lets hope not.

I'm not saying you have to buy their crap, I'm saying that the whole f*cking point of Capitalism is growth through competition and if nobody releases anything cause their afraid its not gonna be good enough for everyone then why the f*ck even bother.
Secondly, how can you agree with me over the excess of pointless speculation and console bashing and yet fill your whole post full of it?

What do you mean trim the herd? It's a product aimed at a different market. One that can afford and can deal with the decadence of a product such as the iphone and just cause apple didn't have you in mind when they were designing it and didn't do it exactly the way you or someone else want's merits your fantastic bias? In America, the UK and just about every country in the world you have the freedom to choose what you want and don't want to buy. I don't see how you can get "f*cked in the a**" by Sony or Apple if you dont buy their product. Because at the end of the freaking day it isn't your only choice, theres a wealth of mobile phones, video game systems, media players and whatnot on the market and you just simply can't bash a company for releasing a product just because it sucks. Sure you can bash the product. I can't guarantee you anyone will listen or care but it's hardly the companies fault that you dont want it and thus their some sort of evil anti-trust monopolizing bunch of bastards who are gonna make you buy it.

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Originally Posted by cataphrax

I'm not saying you have to buy their crap, I'm saying that the whole f*cking point of Capitalism is growth through competition and if nobody releases anything cause their afraid its not gonna be good enough for everyone then why the f*ck even bother.
Secondly, how can you agree with me over the excess of pointless speculation and console bashing and yet fill your whole post full of it?

What do you mean trim the herd? It's a product aimed at a different market. One that can afford and can deal with the decadence of a product such as the iphone and just cause apple didn't have you in mind when they were designing it and didn't do it exactly the way you or someone else want's merits your fantastic bias? In America, the UK and just about every country in the world you have the freedom to choose what you want and don't want to buy. I don't see how you can get "f*cked in the a**" by a Sony or Apple if you dont buy their product. Because at the end of the freaking day it isn't your only choice, theres a wealth of mobile phones, video game systems, media players and whatnot on the market and you just simply can't bash a company for releasing a product just because it sucks. Sure you can bash the product. I can't guarantee you anyone will listen or care but it's hardly the companies fault that you dont want it and thus their some sort of evil anti-trust monopolizing bunch of bastards who are gonna make you buy it.

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when a product is aimed at the top 10% of the population that can "afford it" what the hell happens to the rest of the people who cant, they go to cheaper alternatives i guess, but why dont these companies make a product that everyone can afford ? because then they can charge whatever the hell they want to people, but i suppose it is up to the end consumer, and by trim the herd, i meant, kill off the competition.
So people of Dcemu, you can be COOL like cataphrax and just follow the rest of the cattle to slaughter OR you could just live without an iPhone. like im going to do, unless i find one in the trash bin, where it belongs, then ill sell it to you cataphrax.

Wow, since when did defending a company for releasing a product (that is what companies do, yeah?) mean that I want anything to do with that product. I don't even want to think about buying an Iphone or a PS3. Your acting like it's evil to have luxury products, like it's some sort of brainwashing. Besides which, how the hell are they killing off the competition if not everyone can afford it. Not all rich people buy the best anyway. If the Iphone and the PS3 suck so much than technically no one should buy and as far as the market is concerned, not many people really did. So why does that make everyone who bought one cows? Is it because there are other cheaper products out there that deliver the same thing? IS it because we're all being coerced into buying it because theres no other choice besides Apple or Sony? No, it's cause you apparently don't understand. And if all these companies made things that everyone can afford than who would cater to the rich? Also, most of the things targeted to the rich end up coming down in price and becoming available to the general public. What I still don't understand is why you hate Apple and the PS3 so much? Is it because you can't afford it? Is it because you think it's evil? Do only dumb people who have enough money buy it? I really don't get it. They aren't killing off competition as they aren't selling all that well compared to their competition and while the apple brand name is powerful, its not like its enough to "lead the cattle to slaughter" (what the hell is that supposed to mean?!). They aren't screwing people since people make the decision to buy those products, it is not made for them and if they were too lazy to research alternatives and they had the money for one, than thats their own problem. And they aren't all that crappy either. The PS3 is a massively powerful machine and the Iphone is a sleek phone that does everything it's supposed to do fine. If all the ps3's and iphones that were being sold suddenly exploded or fell apart i would understand but even if they did, Apple or Sony is obligated to fix them or face the federal consequences. So with all that out of the way, I don't really understand why your so angry at Apple and Sony.

I dont know, honnestly, maybe im just looking to vent off some anger, and a multi billion dollar corporation doesnt give a F**k about anything i think or you think, people are still going to buy iPhones no matter what anybody does, because they dont have better things to spen their money on, f**k send your money to some one who needs it, a 700$ iPhone could feed a small african village for a year, or provide treatment for aids, so make your choice, aids, or iPhone, im sticking with aids thank you verymuch.

lol, peer pressure.

Since when did we get iinto aids? There's plenty of pointless buisness done that could easily aid others. First of all, why the hell do you think they don't care what you think?! It's their job to care. If they don't care than they don't release a product that people want and no brand name or media coverage or buzz of any kind will push a crappy product that no one wants. And don't act like your some f*cking jesus whos gonna save the world by eliminating the iphone.

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because they dont have better things to spen their money on, f**k send your money to some one who needs it, a 700$ iPhone could feed a small african village for a year, or provide treatment for aids, so make your choice, aids, or iPhone, im sticking with aids thank you verymuch.

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The iphone isn't evil, it's just a product and it's your own goddamn opinion whether you like it or not. But don't tell me that since your not buying an iphone that your gonna send money to an African village or cure aids or whatever. First of all, all products will inevitably help someone by providing them with a job and believe it or not, people assemble those Iphones, and they aren't rich as*holes who don't care about anyone, their probably sweatshop or factory workers in a foreign country who although the pay is bad and the hours suck took the job cause it beats the hell out of prostitution or working in a farm for pennies a month. Yeah, an iphone probably could feed and African village for a month but people aren't that good. You can't just send 700 bucks to some random guy in Africa or some charity and know that it will actually do what you meant it to do. Bottom line is, no ones forcing you to buy it, no one is suffering because you do buy it, no one is getting screwed or brainwashed and in no way does buying an iphone mean that you don't care about people in Africa or the AIDS problem. Also the statement that people will buy iphones because theres nothing else to buy is in itself completely ridiculous as people don't just buy anything thats put in front of their face if they had enough money for it. Take you for an example, you seem to have 700 dollars seeing as your going to donate it to all those poor people in Africa, and the Iphone is available to you and your not going to buy it. People buy things cause they wan't them, not because they just can.

Its not peer preasure lol, its societys pressures, people are told that there not good enough if they dont have the newest thing out, and the social elite dictate what is cool and whats not cool.

im not trying to be some f**king crusader against the iPhone, well at least i started out that way, i was mearly pointing out the flaws in the pricing. BTW i didnt say that people were suffering because people buy iPhones, i was just saying that there are BETTER things to spend money on.

Who the hell has ever told you that you suck or aren't good enough because you don't have an iphone or a ps3? No ones ever put me down for not wanting one. Please, if anyone has been seriously put down by Apple or the media or Sony or whoever simply because you didn't buy an iphone or a ps3 please speak up now. Also, what social elite? Paris Hilton, yeah people respect her... Actors? Politicians? Your operating on a ridiculous view of society and I would find it insulting that you think humanity is that stupid and decadent if it weren't such a silly idea in the first place.

You really dont think that society doesnt put pressure on people to buy these things, like i dont know what care free world you live in but unfourtunatly these pressures do exist with in your surroundings, maybe on a subliminal level, maybe not, maybe im JUST F**KING WHACKY and your right? but i dont see how you can say that 600-700$ is a reasonable price for somthing like that.


why dont we just agree to disagree, before we both get banned for fighting.