They probably got promoted, that's how corrupt things in America are thesedays.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLZKLLME0080
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They probably got promoted, that's how corrupt things in America are thesedays.Quote:
Originally Posted by PLZKLLME0080
I've read (i cant hear the video because my alsa sound driver seems to be ****ed up) that he did attempt to answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by VampDude
This has nothing to do with Kerry, he was just a bystander like the rest in the crowed. The issue is between the police and the annoying guy.
I also understand it wasnt so much of a question so much as a rant which ultimately served no purpose. The kid was being a dumb shit, and the cops over reacted. Dont let the media trick you into thinking anyone else was involved. Use your common sense.
Freedom of speech is great. Being a jack ass and claiming you have the right to do so is not.
Still, the tazer was used illegally. The right thing to do would have been just to escort him outside if he was causing a disruption.
amercia gone crazy these days that why i moved but on that video that gone abit too far there was no need for taser is only question wot dont tell me they are afraid of a few question to answer and all
If they said they would tazer me if I didn't STFU I would stop. That guy is an idiot, but at the same time he did nothing.
I bet your glad your Canadian, I'm glad in so many ways that I'm not American :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SnesR0X
If you really believe that then you do not understand what freedom of speech is supposed to protect. Freedom of speech protects the person he is talking about against police reaction for publishing his book. It protects this dumbass kid if he wants to tell anyone he wants these things. It does not protect you from saying whatever you want when you are told you are being allowed to ask a speaker one question and you ramble on. After I saw this newer longer video it's even more apparent how much he deserved to be removed. While he was rambling on, the person who had let him ask a question was telling him that he needed to ask a question and that he shouldn't be asking 3 questions and giving his own little tirade. When you go into things like this, you are asked to obey certain rules, such as: you can be asked to leave for whatever reason they want. This kind of thing has gone on forever and has in no way hampered freedom of speech.Quote:
Originally Posted by steve520
What really gets me is that at the end someone(or multiple people?) is heard saying "Rodney King!" and it just goes to show how spoiled and white the crowd was to think that this is ANYTHING like that ( for those of you who have never seen it it requires that you confirm to being 18 or older because it's that ridiculously violent).
edit: Also, apparently the story was that the dude barged in with all the cops following him "demanding" to ask his question, which wasn't allowed because the event had been planned, but he made such a fuss that kerry said that he would answer his question. Anyone who thinks this is a violation of his freedom of speech must not have a concept of how a society without freedom of speech works.
God I HATE PEOPLE FROM FLORIDA! I hope I never meet anyone from there. Especially Floridian programmers... demons, the lot of them.
And the video evidence shows otherwise (hopefully more is released), the police were around but not really near the guy. Also, he stated that Kerry recommended a book earlier on in that conference, which he must of been there a good while without causing any trouble to of of known what the book was before recommending a book to Kerry (which Kerry replied that he had already read it). They only got pissed off with him when he clearly stated that Kerry won the 2004 elections and that there were 5million voters and that the voting counters were counting backwards, then he goes on about Kerry being against Iran/Iraq and whatnot then goes on to say about Bill Clinton's sex scandal in very little words as to a ******* and then 3 seconds after the cops move in and grab him...Quote:
Originally Posted by quzar
...I don't see that there was anything wrong with what the guy did, or with what he said because he was speaking the truth.
A friend of mine replied to it with a simple yet extremely true statement: "getting to ask a question to a visiting speaker is a priviledge, not a right"
as for my previous edit, it was based on info posted alongside a youtube video that someone who was there took, so it's firsthand hearsay. It could be that he barged in a half hour earlier and they waited until Kerry was finished before letting him ask his question, but it is clear that the entire time the cops are DIRECTLY behind him and start getting on his case after he doesn't just ask a question.
reminds me of the ucla taser incident
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Taser_incident
I see it as it was that guys own fault and brought it upon himself, he clearly said may i have "one" question, and it was about that book, yet after the question was answered he kept rambling on trying to provoke kerry. same with the ucla student, he didn't have his id he had no reason to be inside the library, he gets mad starts claims of racial profiling blah blah gets out of hand and zap.
as for the UF student
University spokesman Steve Orlando explains: "He apparently asked several questions - he went on for quite awhile - then he was asked to stop."
"He had used his allotted time. His microphone was cut off, then he became upset."
source:http://www.postchronicle.com/news/or...12104340.shtml