Scam Competitions Ruining the Scene

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Originally Posted by FrozenIpaq

No, the contests at first were free, but then, due to legal reasons, had to becomes somewhat of a competition, ie the background one.

Para, it was closed but re-opened for a reason.

[b]Here is a good response to this "controversy":


I am not trying to start an argument of any kind here, I like this site, and I wish to contribute the best I can. I just want to clear a few misconceptions up about another one of my favorite sites, and the above quote explains all you need to know. So as Wraggster said, let's not talk about PSPU anymore, ruining another site is not nice

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Sorry, but this is somthing that needs to be discussed. First off, your making money off of hosting other peoples games and setting up a forum. Thats not much differant from selling homebrew games on ebay.. and to your promotions... thats like Selling your homebrew on ebay but saying that each buyer has a small chance of winning an extra prize! guess what! its still ethically wrong in the end! there is no excuse for what pspu does and ive heard 2 really lame suggestions trying to create a reason for it.

1 (my favorite) "We arnt doing anything that IGN is doing" (thats not a direct quote, but its what you said)

well whats wrong with this? its completely wrong. IGN advertises for Commercial game companies, Makes money, and Makes them money in the end... What is pspu doing? Making money... and.... doing nothing for the creators of the software!

2 (the lamest) "We work 24 hour shifts and this is how we pay the bills" (thats not a direct quote either.. but it came from an email to someone we all know and love)

If thats the case... thats really pathetic. get a real job mac. muching off of decent, hard working people, that find the time to make these programs is beyond wrongl. And dont even try to suggest its how you keep your site up. Wraggster is a hardworker (hes got a real job) and somehow he manages to host all of these files and keep ads to a minimal, meanwhile receiving all the respect of the coders... hmmm.. so he can do it but you cant? once again.. get a real job. (this may or may not be directed at you Frozen)

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Originally Posted by 1timeuser

Sorry, but this is somthing that needs to be discussed. First off, your making money off of hosting other peoples games and setting up a forum. Thats not much differant from selling homebrew games on ebay.. and to your promotions... thats like Selling your homebrew on ebay but saying that each buyer has a small chance of winning an extra prize! guess what! its still ethically wrong in the end! there is no excuse for what pspu does and ive heard 2 really lame suggestions trying to create a reason for it.

1 (my favorite) "We arnt doing anything that IGN is doing" (thats not a direct quote, but its what you said)

well whats wrong with this? its completely wrong. IGN advertises for Commercial game companies, Makes money, and Makes them money in the end... What is pspu doing? Making money... and.... doing nothing for the creators of the software!

2 (the lamest) "We work 24 hour shifts and this is how we pay the bills" (thats not a direct quote either.. but it came from an email to someone we all know and love)

If thats the case... thats really pathetic. get a real job mac. muching off of decent, hard working people, that find the time to make these programs is beyond wrongl. And dont even try to suggest its how you keep your site up. Wraggster is a hardworker (hes got a real job) and somehow he manages to host all of these files and keep ads to a minimal, meanwhile receiving all the respect of the coders... hmmm.. so he can do it but you cant? once again.. get a real job. (this may or may not be directed at you Frozen)

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First: This is America (where the site is hosted), and this is how stuff works when you want to make a living off websites. From the above quote I wrote, the site is barely making enough to come by, but they are.

I am not a "paid staff" at PSPU, just a forum moderator. I agree that it is quite un-reasonable to pay so much for such a simple job of posting news..The reason for the ads are not "profit", but to pay the workers, there is hardly any profit, if any made. I am 16, well educated and am not working, so I spend my free time helping others. I do agree in somewhat that PSPU should find alternative ways of hosting, but I have no background of interent/website hosting.

How is PSPUpdates selling hombrew, they are not. They are posting the files free of charge, the only "problem" is that ads are intrusive, but that is all. The site is free everyone. Those who signed up for premium members have decided to sign up to donate to the site, to help it stay up in these hard times.

So overall: PSPU does not make money from this, they need money, so they try their hardest to run a site. You have to make money to live in America.

I guess I'm just frustrated over this whole ordeal, and the fact that Wraggster (nothing against him, he's a good, hardworking fella) called this a Scam Competition, when as said above, it's self promoting, nothing wrong in promoting your own site, not a scam.

But by using the giveaway to basically force a load of peeps to be premium members your taking another shit on the scene.

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Originally Posted by wraggster

But by using the giveaway to basically force a load of peeps to be premium members your taking another shit on the scene.

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Well I do agree that adding that premium membership point addition is a really bad idea, but some users are willing to dis out their own $$'s on PayPal to their friends who sign up. This is just an unfair contest overall and is a bad move politically on PSPU, I do agree on that part

Homebrew should be free, that's the whole point, if we wnat to pay for it, we'll buy comercial games. Premium content is not a donation. the whole PSP scene is getting the homebrew scene in general a bad name. too much childish bitching. Maybe v2 firmware is a good thing after all.

Let me point a few facts out, im a one man newsposting and website updating machine and own 17 sites and each site is perfectly up to date, i spend anythig from 6 hours to 12 hours a day on the sites even on a work day and i do that on my own and if i only had the site the update crew has got i could easily without a shadown of a doubt trounce the update sites for news etc and you dont see me on that sort of money.

ads are fine and releveant ads enhance a website but the premium thing ruins and i mean it does harm to pspupdates and the scene as well.

also dont believe all the rubbish you are told from admins, they will only tell you what they want you to know ;)

yeah, wraggs is telling us only wat he wants us to know;) Nah wraggs is the man, some day i'll get round to donating him something, he deserves it, not these twats who charge for the service (sorry I have trouble understanding this, when wraggs does sucha damn good job, why use anyone elses site?)

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Originally Posted by wraggster

Let me point a few facts out, im a one man newsposting and website updating machine and own 17 sites and each site is perfectly up to date, i spend anythig from 6 hours to 12 hours a day on the sites even on a work day and i do that on my own and if i only had the site the update crew has got i could easily without a shadown of a doubt trounce the update sites for news etc and you dont see me on that sort of money.

ads are fine and releveant ads enhance a website but the premium thing ruins and i mean it does harm to pspupdates and the scene as well.

also dont believe all the rubbish you are told from admins, they will only tell you what they want you to know ;)

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Yes'm I agree 100% with you on your points. Although, the site is struggling a little and I guess are doing quick decisions that are ruining them even more :( As long as they keep news up and forums active, I'm fine. I don't really use their file host much, so they can get rid of that :) (but then again, everyone else does :( )

Everyone has valid points now, wraggster, you work really hard (17 sites!!) I had no idea it was that many :clap:

Verdict: 2 frowns, 1 smiley. Guess I'm frowning :(

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Originally Posted by FrozenIpaq

Yes'm I agree 100% with you on your points. Although, the site is struggling a little and I guess are doing quick decisions that are ruining them even more :( As long as they keep news up and forums active, I'm fine. I don't really use their file host much, so they can get rid of that :) (but then again, everyone else does :( )

Everyone has valid points now, wraggster, you work really hard (17 sites!!) I had no idea it was that many :clap:

Verdict: 2 frowns, 1 smiley. Guess I'm frowning :(

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hey hey, dont get the wrong idea, our point isnt to make you feel like crap.. the more people we can make understand what pspupdates is doing the better.

Plus, i respect you... and im the biggest asshole of all these here forums :D

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Originally Posted by 1timeuser

hey hey, dont get the wrong idea, our point isnt to make you feel like crap.. the more people we can make understand what pspupdates is doing the better.

Plus, i respect you... and im the biggest asshole of all these here forums :D

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lol, not nice to say about yourself ;)

I don't hate PSPU for what they are doing, but I just don't understand them completely, and no one really does. There are two sides: Good and Bad. I'm saying they are good in some aspects, but in some others it's bad. I'm not one to call a news site bad like there's because it's not all bad, just some parts.

Calling yourself an a**hole, makes you one. When you don't call yourself one, then you are not. Call youself a noob, and you will be one, simple as that ;)