The OS Discussion Thread.

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Originally Posted by Triv1um

I was going to download that beta.

Tell me whats its like when you have it up and running. :D

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I'll do that!

btw, I see that you're having wonderboy nostalgia...im used to seeing the live action michael angelo avatar


Edit: Bad news :(

I just realized that my computer is incompatible with the x64 architecture.
Even though it features EM64T (being the oldest processor to do so [Pentium 4 3.06 GHz, 533 MHz FSB]), a pirated copy of Windows Vista x64 that I used as a test says otherwise :mad:

Ah well, Im about to download the x86 version!

The best option is to dual boot between Ubuntu and Windows XP imo. Everything you need right there. I have about a 70/30 split between Ubuntu and XP.

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Originally Posted by JKKDARK

PSO can't run on Wine so in other words, Linux sucks and Windows owns.

(and I just named only one game!)

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http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...ation&iId=2170

http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManage...rsion&iId=3092

For someone who posts news about it in the PC Gaming News area, you don't look around much there (winehq.org).

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Originally Posted by quzar

My 2c:

I've tried using various *nixes before and simply don't find them as useful. Most of the time the issues that arise are not those of application software, as I don't have many special needs on that front, but of drivers for specialty hardware, which is often extremely lacking....

....As for the other major issue commonly cited for 'windows sucking', security, I've had issues with virii/hacking maybe twice in the past 6 years. 99% of keeping safe is user action and not any sort of protection software.

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I do agree about the hardware support for any of the *nix systems is kinda crap, but that is mainly in the drivers for the hardware, and in almost every case its the manufacturer's fault, not the OS. And really, it's not the manufacturer's intention to ignore any OS's other than Windows, it's in Windows where they make their money, which is where many people in the home computing and business cubicle computing are most experienced with using, and many companies follow what makes them money the easy way, targeting the largest user base. That and the lack of specs on the specific hardware that has no *nix drivers makes it difficult for anyone to reverse engineer and build their own drivers.

And many users are not like us here on dcemu, they are your general use, chain-letter forwarding, outlook using, non-system updating, porn surfing general users that often screw up their systems with virii/worms/etc. In that sense, most of the security issues come from the fact that many Win-exploits don't require administrator access to f*ck up a computer. Much harder to do on a *nix system in the same respect, due to the fact than any system wide changes needs access to the root account.

But as far as the Windows family of OS's go, XP is my favorite. Mac OSX isn't that bad either, but proprietary tie-in is very heavy with that system.

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Originally Posted by Eviltaco64

btw, I see that you're having wonderboy nostalgia...im used to seeing the live action michael angelo avatar

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Haha, indeed..

I'm having yet another wonderboy 3 - Dragons Trap craze. Have you played it yet?

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Originally Posted by the_eternal_dark

I do agree about the hardware support for any of the *nix systems is kinda crap, but that is mainly in the drivers for the hardware, and in almost every case its the manufacturer's fault, not the OS. And really, it's not the manufacturer's intention to ignore any OS's other than Windows, it's in Windows where they make their money, which is where many people in the home computing and business cubicle computing are most experienced with using, and many companies follow what makes them money the easy way, targeting the largest user base. That and the lack of specs on the specific hardware that has no *nix drivers makes it difficult for anyone to reverse engineer and build their own drivers.

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Of course, but that doesn't make my soundcard work, ya know? If the right drivers aren't out there, it's a problem, regardless of whose fault it is, which keeps me from using the OS.

Yeah, once again I agree with Quzar again.

I doubt that I couldnt even find the drivers at the current time that I need for Vista let alone Linux (excluding older versions of Red-Hat).

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Originally Posted by quzar

Of course, but that doesn't make my soundcard work, ya know? If the right drivers aren't out there, it's a problem, regardless of whose fault it is, which keeps me from using the OS.

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What sound card are you referring to? I'm curious. I've had one that wasn't acting right either.

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Originally Posted by Eviltaco64

I doubt that I couldnt even find the drivers at the current time that I need for Vista let alone Linux (excluding older versions of Red-Hat).

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If it was the OLD OLD kernel (2.4.x), you could probably find out if there is a patch to add it back into the current kernel or request on the developers forum of your favorite flavor to add that support back in for your hardware. Ubuntu has done this numerous times, as has Fedora.

I installed Ubuntu 8.04 beta just now, everything is working fine, including my Nvidia card. I'm glad this is a LTS release because its worth it, ive been amazed at how much Ubuntu has been easier to use ever since I started with 6.06 (Had to manually do ALOT of things with Dapper, and I was new then and had no clue what to do)

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Originally Posted by the_eternal_dark

What sound card are you referring to? I'm curious. I've had one that wasn't acting right either.

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Oh, I was just giving a possible example of a likely candidate (historically soundcards are problematic driverwise if they're not soundblasters ;) ). The one thing I had major issues with back in the day was my DSL Modem, a SpeedStream..3010 (iirc). The very first time I tried Linux, which was dualbooting Mandrake (no longer goes by that name) in 02. My computer was the family server though, which was a dealbreaker.

Since then there's always been something, most recently with my Sony laptop and none of the hotkeys working nor my PCMCIA WLAN card (a horrible Netgear deal). For the hotkeys there was a set of hacky things to get them to sort of work, but bah. For the wireless adapter though, nothing.

No wifi? Try ndiswrapper with the compatible Windows drivers work to make it work.

As for soundcard issues, my Creative Xtreme Audio card doesn't work in Linux but I still can use onboard sound from the motherboard. If your motherboard supports onboard sound, try it that way - unless you really insist on using the sound card. I'd like to, because I prefer having the EAX effects turned on - more fun to listen to music that way.