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no no no.. im the biggest asshole in the world and im proud of it. :) . generally they have found its best to be on my good side.... some how i have managed to stay a year without being banned... lucky i guess :) .Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenIpaq
No use trying to tell you you are not, I clearly don't know you ;) So you have a good side to your evilish behavior, that's good to know ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by 1timeuser
Ipaq, at this point man I honestly can tell you are conflicted with this. At age 16 with not much understanding of corporate greed and ignorance ruining a "community" I can understand why you want to believe P$PUpdate$ is "in this" for the community, and users like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenIpaq
You obviously really do. As does Malumense, and anyone else who takes the title/position of "forum moderator" seriously; as if the "creators/admins" bestowed responsibility upon them.
Unfortunately, in the end, this "contest" will also just shit on you the most. Who spends the free time moderating the forums? Who spends hours upon hours cleaning up garbage? Who spends their time linking people to existing posts, closing posts, editing posts?
You. You. You.
And now there's a "contest" to simply "add as many people as possible to the forums so you can WIN".
In the end, who will be "taking care of" this immigration of retards.
You. You. You.
Who gets paid for it?
Them. Them. Them.
Yeah, that's worth defending. It's not like you already don't put up with enough garbage from them. My god the bullshit they feed you about "IGN" and "legitimacy" of these "contests" and their "practices". and the shit you have to swallow to stay with them.
IGN makes money because they write about products that make money. It's a cash-whoring system, and it's legit and fine. It's the same way CNN has "premium" content; they are reporting on news from paid reporters who work through paid agencies (UPI/AP) to spread the news. It's a circle of cash and you can't be upset about that.
On the other hand, P$PUpdate$ main page currently has:
1 Scam Contest post
5 Posts containing "news" obtained from other sites
15 posts concerning free programs/downloads made by other people
What the hell is "exclusive" about that shit? Because they have idiots who work "70 hours a week in shifts" (according to them), we should give them money to use those 70 hours pilfering other sites' stories and other peoples' hard work?
They try to create this "sob story" about how they work so hard and so long for you, and hardly make any money for it.
Have you ever viewed www.contentholdings.com?
THEY BUY ****ING DOMAINS FOR INSANE $$$$.
P$PUpdate$ == ContentHoldings.
Explain to me how they are so broke and barely paying the bills?
Moodhacker.com PAYS PEOPLE FOR LINKING TO EXISTING IMAGES
If they are so broke and need your money so much, how are they affording to squander it on all this other stuff?
Answer: they aren't so broke; they want you to believe they are.
This has been in their cards since day 1; since nem first released "Hello World" and they saw a "Gameboy Emulator" released. Where was this "network of sites 24/7 70 hour a week" before then? Where was it when the Dreamcast homebrew community existed? Or more recently, the GBA community was thriving?
Hell, even PS2NFO.com scum were "reporting" on PS2 homebrew way back when.
These guy$ came along and saw an opportunity to "cash in" for themselves and have exploited everyone since Day One.
The reason people see them as "the source" in the PSP "scene" is because they would remove credits and links to everyone's page/translations, etc... back in the beginning. Therefore, ignorant sites would come along and think "Wow, this site must be the source of all these releases!"
By not citing PSPWiki from the start, being patient on authors' requests, posting anything and everything without verification, they tricked everyone into believing it was them who had the releases of the PSP "scene"
They silenced anyone who said opposite (in their comments section) for weeks at the beginning. Even simple things like "post a link to the author" were deleted.
And now people defend them as being some "poor shmoes working 70 hours a week and barely scraping by"
Cry me a ****ing river. The day they die is the happiest day for the PSP Community.
Hey just a funny note to add while we keep bringing up IGN. I'm a moderator over there and have been one for quite some time. I feel they owe me nothing because I like helping others out with tech related info but IGN still gives me insider service which is quite nice since it's not cheap. :)
Just though I would throw in another ign reference to this topic for fun.
yeeah i remember when they did the first contest, i posted a comment about the legality of having a contest that required a fee on a site based in the usa that wasn't a non-profit organization...
it got deleted in about 10 minutes...
Wow this topic has grown. I was originally going to comment on this reply to my post but the topic got locked.
There is a difference between signing up for a service and a donation. At church they pass around a collection basket for donations. You have the choice of putting in money or not. The people who put in money don't get anything extra for putting it in. The people who don't give money don't lose anything from not putting in money. But the church benefits from the donation making the community better for EVERYONE (even the people who don't give money). Thats how my church works anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by FrozenIpaq
At PSPUpdates, people who give $ 3 get a service that people who don't give money don't get. Its not a donation because the only people who benefit from it are the people who give the money and the people who collect the money. Its not improving the whole community like in the church example.
Thats all I have to say to your reply to my post Ipaq. Moving on...
This contest is sort of like those fund raisers in grade school. You get those crappy chocolates that taste like wax and try to sell them to your family, friends and neighbors. The kid who sells the most and racks up the most points gets a prize, like a new bike, while the others get nothing. This contest more or less operates in the same fashion.
The only people who benefit from it are the people running the site. Because they basically have a bunch of people recruiting people to join their site for free. The only person who will benefit is the person who wins. The person who gets in 2nd will get nothing and will have done all that free recruiting and advertising for nothing.
There is no need to charge people when running a scene website. They can't play the "we need money to keep the site up" card because they are basically asking for more people to surf and download from their site. And if keeping the site alive because of bandwidth issues was a problem they wouldn't have a contest that encourages people to get as many people as possible to join.
The people who program homebrew programs do it in their free time for FREE. There is no reason that a site like PSPUpdates should benefit from the hard work of others. The members at ps2dev.org and other developers who came up with the toolchain, the legal SDK, the samples, the forum help and much more did it all for FREE.
So if wraggster and others can keep us informed on the multiple console and handheld scenes then those guys can do the same. Also this site remain up to date, is a lot easier to navigate and has local downloads of all homebrew (even past versions) which is awesome.
You know, we didn't get forced to be moderators, its our choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Smiths
Yeah, what he said ^^Quote:
Originally Posted by Giga Phil
We, well me atleast, enjoy helping others, and as a moderator, we get to help out even more. This is volunter work, and we do it out of the goodness of our hearts.
I wish to take back any bad things I said about PSPU, I like them the most of any site I have ever been to, and to me that deserves a cookie! I was just trying to watch my back, but right now I don't really care.
The point I think that PSPU's owners, etc.. seem to be missing is a simple one. You're trying to make money out of a community that is non-commercial based, doesn't want to be commercially based and never will be commercially based. Right from the developers who put together the toolchains and write the demos, games, apps, emulators, etc.. to the people responsibly reporting the "news" of these developments in our community, and those that share their knowledge and help the end user in getting things up and running. We ALL have a responsibility to look after each other!! That's how a real community works!...
PSPU philosophy is anti-this principal. Their "quest" is to make money and money alone and they'll do it any damn way they can think of. Everything about that is wrong. It's not about 24/7 news, which I hate to point out, most releases I've monitored recently our good friend Mr 12 hour, 17 sites seems to get the news out first. Have you wondered why that is? Could be to do with author's primarily contacting him first or posting directly in his forums. We from Emuholic have great respect for Wraggy! :)
If PSPU really want to know how to run a website in this kind of community that has respect, "fast" news reporting and is commercially viable, try www.xbox-scene.com ... You'll find all your answers there. The rest of us.. We're just happy to actually be considered a friend.
interesting you brought up xbox-scene.com. I think its great that they work so closely with xbins.org too! great example of how a partnership should be.Quote:
Originally Posted by woo