Lets Not Go Down the Wrong Path - Keep Brickers Out of Homebrew

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Originally Posted by Sterist

took it too far -- in the sense that the gun is on the wrong consoles, but the concept is straight and true.

i am with M33 fully, as well as DCEMU. i am on both sides equally and at the same time NOT neutral.

the viewers and users of those sites are just as bad for knowingly supporting their site by using it AND following their overly dictated forum rules which have been adapted to always benefit the site to the fullest under any circumstance

dcemu has a very good point, as there is definately a better way to deal with these pethetic excuses for "scene sites" but i feel that they are fully justified in what they're doing, taking into account that they DID NOT INCLUDE MALICIOUS CODE

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M33 was in no way justified in doing what they did.
you can not justify them by saying the the viewers and users of those sites are bad and deserve it.... did you ever consider that maybe not everyone was aware of the doings of these sites?

not only will this effect users of this site but it will effect anyone who downloads these files from say a torrent.

and as for there being no malicious code.... youre right. putting code into a program that will permenantly brick a PSP but lies dormant until turned on isnt malicolus. especially not if you put it there being well aware that it will be turned on.

brickers are allways bad. i want awnsers m33!

After second thought, perhaps it is best to return to the Open Edition. At least there I knew where I stood with risk and all else. Perhaps I will just stay with 3.40 OE until something better comes along--or until the legend returns.

Clearly the M33 firmwares are not for everyone. If the things I am hearing are true, then M33 has become malicious and therefore should be regarded with some suspicion.

No coder or group, even those with the best intentions such as M33, should be responsible for releasing an application that could brick in any possible way. Such a thing is immoral and irresponsible and puts a dark light on the entirety of PSP homebrew and homebrew in general.

I've decided that I will boycott any release from M33 until they understand that while they are providing a great service and contribution to the homebrew community, their attempts to squash an enemy has put a number of innocents in the line of fire.

i am with you in the boycott.... i want a formal apopolgy

hmmmmmm

this is an exact reason why i'm still on 3.40 OE-A

to do something so low, thats just wrong, dont they know its regular psp users that are suffering the most 0_o

So. Let's look at some facts before we get caught up in the indignant reaction, shall we?

Bricking with that release has nothing to do with what sites you visit. That would be crazy. Simply, the code seems to rely upon integrity of the original data, with the decoding algorithm based upon that assumption. The documentation contains warnings not to mess with the code, if it is then tampered with then that does not seem to be the fault of the original author. Seems that certain sites would do well to avoid tampering with code that they don't understand.

Note that the facts above are not simple hearsay - they're based upon analysis of the code, coupled with bothering to make the effort to discuss it with the authors.

Personally, I'm not affiliated with M33 in any way, but I don't agree with vilifying them over this. The documentation contains sufficient warnings, and the sites in question have both ignored those warnings, and continued to host dangerously-modified files and to attempt to cover it up, even when they know there's a problem. Let that be an indication of their true nature and contempt for the public.

So has someone, or will someone come out with a version of this firmware that does not include the bricker? I don't want to have any chance of bricking, even if I don't go to PS3News.

making a piece of software that causes a brick intentionally is bad. no matter how you shake it.

i've heard from a few people on the post about the release of v3 that m33 had actually just made it so it detected a hex edit, which sounds like a pretty smart way to ensure quality, but it should have just outputed an error, not caused any bricks [some say it didn't brick anything, it just wouldn't load]

flashing to memory can cause bricks, sadly these truly bad flashes are now being covered in this 'sugar' coating, so no progress can be made in helping figure out any true problems.

i like the m33 firmware, and i thought about updating, but instead, i'm going to wait until this gets figured out. i want to take as few risks as possible. sorry. [i shouldn't be sorry] they can do what they feel is necessary to prevent a website that they feel has rightfully wronged them, but the public shouldn't be punished. they didn't even say anything, they just let the internet explode with allegations. now i'm not capable of following all posts on all websites that have this topic as active, but m33 shouldn't have said that by being a member of said site, or by visiting their site would cause problems unless it was true, and they told everyone the particulars up front.

even this site commented about flushing internet caches on both the pc and psp to ensure a proper flash. turns out that might not have been necessary [not that a flush is a bad thing, but if by saying it, and it not really helping, you are hurting more than you are really helping.]

i have nothing against this site [great news, fair reporting from my experiences, like to cover all angles as this post is trying to do], and i have been shown that some websites have agenda's that others do not like, but i still feel that at no time should those that these groups aim to help be punished for something they didn't directly do.

You guys are idiots, if PSP's were really bricked because of this M33 shit it is because it was poorly coded and was not properly tested. Shame on you M33. There is no possible way to pin-point people who visit a specific site and them download a specific file or the file modify itself based on if you visited a certain site or not. Like some of the people here say, they have not visited the site and still got a bricked PSP, yet some have a PSP running the firmware on it. Conclusion......... THE FIRMWARE WAS BADLY CODED AND DID NOT TAKE THE PROPER PRECAUTIONS TO PREVENT BRICKING, this is not so user-friendly as you guys thought it would have been.

a lot of people know about these site.... we simply avoid them... however a lot of people dont... m33 may have warned about tampering with their code, however some sites hosting the installer removed that warning. surely m33 knew the code would be tampered with, as sad as that is, however they still had there code protection. I am not saying the sites were right, however i am saying that they exist . m33 knew this would brick psps however they still released it. but with a warning. is it really fair to all the people who bricked that they got caught in this battler between coder and site? just because they may support a site does that mean they deserve this? its not like the site tampered with the code to make it brick, m33 made it so it would brick if anyone tried to change it then released it to the public knowing some people may download and tampered bricking version.

I am not saying it is not the sites fault, without a doubt they are to blame for a lot... all i am saying is m33 should be better than that being a coder is tough especially in homebrew people stealing your work and taking credit and not being able to deal with it but its just somthing you have to deal with you cant go and do somthing that will end up hurting the community.