PSP Homebrew Scene Going Illegal With Custom Firmwares and Devhook ?

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Originally Posted by Dave the Rave

And Sony cares why? The majority of posters have already said that they don't buy UMD films and games so Sony have already made all they're going to out of people who only run homebrew.

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So Sony is going to throw millions of dollars away prosecuting these figurative "few" Homebrew gamers and developers? Homebrew and Emulators are not covered in any major medium ie: G4, Gaming magazines etc. The bulk of gamers do not know anything about Homebrew or Emu's so throwing money away chasing those of us that do down would only bring Homebrew and Emulators into the limelight. It would be the worse thing they could do. Plus they could never hope to recoup the legal costs again utter folly to do this. They are better off leaving us alone and trying to woo us into upgrading with the newest firmwares capabilities.

Emulators and ISO loaders lead the horse to water,
Roms and ISOs make the horse drink.

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Originally Posted by Sumo X

I find it extremely hypocritical of Dcemu claiming the moral highground in regards to Devhook while encouraging the release of emulators. So it's bad to play and ISO of a game you own if it's for the PSP but good if it's for the GBA/SNES/Genesis?

Also, DCemu consistently promotes hombrew games that feature ripped sprites. Where's the outrage over that? The game engine might've been created legally, but the graphics surely aren't legally obtained.

Furthermore, since the Kxploit is basically a workaround of the security system of the PSP, it's arguable that ALL homebrew is illegal (not that I support such a view). So if DCemu was truly commited to legal homebrew, it could only be for 1.0 PSPs featuring completely original graphics, sound, and engine.

Just post the new Devhook and don't advertise that it can play ISOs if it'll make you feel better.

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Couldnt have said it better myself. i mean, I love this site. I truly do. But to promote one illegal activity and strongly ban another...weak.

we provide neither links to iso's or roms. We do not promote illegal activity and if you can point out to us a single occasion we we have I will take it into account and fix it. Emulation is not illegal in any way. The rom images we have provided are PD, and thus totally legal. We do not encourage the use of illegal material and discussion of it is always looked down upon.

If you own any illegal back ups of any game for any console, open discussion of it on DCemu will ALWAYS recieve a ban for it... period. Also these "patched dev hooks" do not load illegal ISO images and I am unsure as to why these programs have even been mentioned.

The idea, and the way we run DCemu is not hypocritical in anyway, however some of our users may choose to download illegal images of games and software and thats fine... but It will not be discussed here.

Also note that the "moral way" of the emulator and the "legal way" of the emulator MAY vary. I will not go into details, but if some of you are smart enough... you can figure it out.

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Originally Posted by shadow77

As i have said before, devhook and custom firmwares are not illegal or else sony would be shutting down the sites hosting it.

Custom firmware just contains code that adds functionality to your PSP (in simple terms: it adds a module). None of the original sony firmware files are distributed / modified.

Devhook is just another hb program that can load isos / 2.x umds, you can do illegal things with it, but the code itself is not illegal. Its all up to the user. Its same thing with emulators ..

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I agree with this guy.

To the many posts saying **** you sony if you wont allow homebrew blah blah. Sony spent millions developing the psp and if they don't want homebrew on it that is their choice and its a position they are entitled to. For the record i love homebrew so i simply won't upgrade.

As for the legal issue i fear that dcemu is on shaky ground. I find it hard to believe that all the people that downloaded any of the mame emus actually own those roms. And that can obviously be applied to the rest of the emus. Also when the sanitized dev hook was first released didn't dcemu link to the firmwares? In the context for what they were to be used for couldn't this be perceived as illegal?

I love dcemu its the only site i trust and the people on it are great. I think it would be wise for wragg to seek some legal advice on just how legal dcemu really is.

I don't think custom FWs are illegal. I mean, is changing the faceplate to a third party one illegal? Is putting stickers in your console illegal? I don't think so.

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Originally Posted by 1timeuser

we provide neither links to iso's or roms. We do not promote illegal activity and if you can point out to us a single occasion we we have I will take it into account and fix it. Emulation is not illegal in any way. The rom images we have provided are PD, and thus totally legal. We do not encourage the use of illegal material and discussion of it is always looked down upon.

If you own any illegal back ups of any game for any console, open discussion of it on DCemu will ALWAYS recieve a ban for it... period. Also these "patched dev hooks" do not load illegal ISO images and I am unsure as to why these programs have even been mentioned.

The idea, and the way we run DCemu is not hypocritical in anyway, however some of our users may choose to download illegal images of games and software and thats fine... but It will not be discussed here.

Also note that the "moral way" of the emulator and the "legal way" of the emulator MAY vary. I will not go into details, but if some of you are smart enough... you can figure it out.

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I explained it better on my previous posts. What im trying to say is that if your going to BAN devhook for the ability of loading "illegal ISO" than you should also BAN Emulators which could be used to load illegal ROMS.

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Originally Posted by 1timeuser

we provide neither links to iso's or roms. We do not promote illegal activity and if you can point out to us a single occasion we we have I will take it into account and fix it. Emulation is not illegal in any way. The rom images we have provided are PD, and thus totally legal. We do not encourage the use of illegal material and discussion of it is always looked down upon.

If you own any illegal back ups of any game for any console, open discussion of it on DCemu will ALWAYS recieve a ban for it... period. Also these "patched dev hooks" do not load illegal ISO images and I am unsure as to why these programs have even been mentioned.

The idea, and the way we run DCemu is not hypocritical in anyway, however some of our users may choose to download illegal images of games and software and thats fine... but It will not be discussed here.

Also note that the "moral way" of the emulator and the "legal way" of the emulator MAY vary. I will not go into details, but if some of you are smart enough... you can figure it out.

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Remove all the links to all the other emulators for the PSP then. The likelihood that a user here will actually own a UMD, but choose to run an ISO rip of it from a memory stick is FAR GREATER than the likelihood that ANYONE involved in this site in any way, shape, or form owns ALL the PCBs for ALL the MAME roms they run in MAME4ALL.

Cut the bull.shit, seriously.

I love this site, but the rules of "Non-Sony Rom talk is ok, but don't talk about UMD isos" is extrememly hypocritical.

And it's not that I want to encourage illegal ISO use. I don't. Devhook's ability to run ISOs is beneficial to save battery life. It also makes it so I don't have to lug around a half dozen fragile UMD's with me.

Maybe this topic should be closed before we nit-pick each and every reason the dcemu should be in trouble for. They are very careful to provide the most legal way to enjoy psp apps for free.

IE: Im sorry for raising any contraversal emu talk.

- I love my Public Domian rom collection . . . -

All those games, they're just so great...
I guess some are playing their 'backups' but perhaps maybe are not such a good topic for us.
Or the legalities.

I'm sure there is plenty of other ps2/ psp i nfo forums to bring up those topics.