Sony Are Not The Enemy

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April 23rd, 2007, 02:05
Basil Zero

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Thats the sad truth with Sony. It doesn't seem the truth with Microsoft and Nintendo though. They actually LISTEN to their customers. Such as, customers say they want awesome games, and affordable system. Nintendo makes the Wii wireless remote. Microsoft makes Bishock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Dead Rising, ect.

Sony sticks a Blu-Ray player in the PS3 for an extra $300.

WTF? Where did that come from?

I think its more common sense, of what customers want, its mostly what the producers want with their systems, of what THEY think what will be successful, not always about what a customer wants

also just because a company gets a new feature such as you stated the Nintendo Wii with its wireless remote features, its what Nintendo wanted.

Microsoft yes did indeed make games like Gears of War and Halo, but that doesnt mean Sony didnt make great series either:

Here's what sony made:

God Of War
Legend of Dragoon
Gran Turismo
Jak and Daxter
Crash Bandicoot(license sold)
Spyro the Dragon (license Sold)
Ratchet and Clank
MotorStorm
Resistance
and some other franchises i cant think of now.

btw, capcom made dead rising.....but back to point

Sony sticks a blu-ray player, what do u expect? OF course their gonna stick it in the ps3, its their product. And since its new technology, of course the PS3 would be first thing they would place it, to show it off.

Its like they always say, you have a choice, if you dont want a system, dont buy it, even if there are others who are willing to buy it, its their choice.
April 23rd, 2007, 02:17
SpooForBrains

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

Sony sticks a blu-ray player, what do u expect? OF course their gonna stick it in the ps3, its their product. And since its new technology, of course the PS3 would be first thing they would place it, to show it off.

Its like they always say, you have a choice, if you dont want a system, dont buy it, even if there are others who are willing to buy it, its their choice.

Sony put the blu-ray player into PS3 for the same reason they made the PSP use UMDs (a format that is pretty much universally detested) - because they want to use their market share to push their own proprietary, non-interoperable media formats.

The trouble is, most proprietary Sony media formats suck nuts. Betamax was a failure. The minidisc was a failure. Memory sticks have only survived because Sony still have a large share of the digital camera market. Blu-ray will go the same way.

Sony as a company is only interested in furthering their own market dominance. They have no interest in giving the consumer what they want. The only problem is this quite often has the opposite effect of that intended, and consumers are alienated. Sony had a runaway success with the playstation, but PSP sales aren't as strong as they should be and I don't think the PS3 is going to fare much better.

Plus, lets be honest, the PS2 did well because it gave you the most bang for your buck. It fell at just the right point in the market - cheaper than the XBox, but just that bit more powerful than the Gamecube. Technically it wasn't all that great. Sony were also in a lucky position with licenses - they had Square and Rockstar (and GTA sold a LOT of PS2s). That's slowly starting to slip away from them now.

They're burning goodwill too fast at the moment, and when you're asking the public to spend more than the cost of a home computer on a gaming console, you NEED goodwill.
April 23rd, 2007, 03:13
Joe88

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

Just tried playing Fury 3 on PS2. It didn't run. Linux my foot....

isnt that a windows game ...

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Originally Posted by Shadowblind

Thats the sad truth with Sony. It doesn't seem the truth with Microsoft and Nintendo though. They actually LISTEN to their customers. Such as, customers say they want awesome games, and affordable system. Nintendo makes the Wii wireless remote. Microsoft makes Bishock, Halo 3, Gears of War, Mass Effect, Too Human, Dead Rising, ect.

Sony sticks a Blu-Ray player in the PS3 for an extra $300.

WTF? Where did that come from?

a blu-ray player is $999
consider the great deal your getting
rather then just bashing it and be proud your got next gen godness
sony wanted to make this system full HD, and there not gonna just thow in a DVD drive and called it "HD" like MS did with the 360 which could only output in 720p

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Originally Posted by SpooForBrains

Sony put the blu-ray player into PS3 for the same reason they made the PSP use UMDs (a format that is pretty much universally detested) - because they want to use their market share to push their own proprietary, non-interoperable media formats.

The trouble is, most proprietary Sony media formats suck nuts. Betamax was a failure. The minidisc was a failure. Memory sticks have only survived because Sony still have a large share of the digital camera market. Blu-ray will go the same way.

Sony as a company is only interested in furthering their own market dominance. They have no interest in giving the consumer what they want. The only problem is this quite often has the opposite effect of that intended, and consumers are alienated. Sony had a runaway success with the playstation, but PSP sales aren't as strong as they should be and I don't think the PS3 is going to fare much better.

Plus, lets be honest, the PS2 did well because it gave you the most bang for your buck. It fell at just the right point in the market - cheaper than the XBox, but just that bit more powerful than the Gamecube. Technically it wasn't all that great. Sony were also in a lucky position with licenses - they had Square and Rockstar (and GTA sold a LOT of PS2s). That's slowly starting to slip away from them now.

They're burning goodwill too fast at the moment, and when you're asking the public to spend more than the cost of a home computer on a gaming console, you NEED goodwill.

the floppy disk anyone ?
maybe the CD ???
and gave a little help with the creation of the DVD helping it to be more scratch resistant
the company backing of the blu-ray is incredible compared to HD-DVD

the PSP is doing fairly well, it came into a market where nintendo was the only one around, it made quit a dent in their sales, but still not enough

both the xbox and PS2 retailed for $299
also the gamecube was more powerfull then the PS2 sporting a 399mhz CPU and games like RE4 had to be slightly downgraded to be playable on the PS2
the PS2 won because it was pure awsomeness with loads of games to match, alot of which other counsels didnt have

also a good home computer cost around $1,200
I build my own comps but non the less thats the cost of stock computers and dont try to say what about those $399 POS comps that have Pentium4's >.>

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Originally Posted by SpooForBrains

No, it's NOT. Nintendo can provide nice warm retro-gaming fuzzies without scalping their customers. Sony aren't capable of doing that without having an agenda to push.

which may explain why they lost the last 2 counsel races to sony
April 23rd, 2007, 03:26
Shadowblind

Its really $1000? o_0

I guess if I want a Blu-Ray player I'd get a PS3...but really, i'm fine with DVD. Fury 3 is Linux, at least the copy I have. It may be a Windows game too, I don't really know. I tried Civilization Call to Power as well, no dice...

As for the PS2 games, most of them I bought the PS2 for are moving to the other systems, such as Dynasty Warriors, DDR, and DBZ Budokai.
April 23rd, 2007, 03:36
SpooForBrains

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Originally Posted by Joe88

the floppy disk anyone ?
maybe the CD ???

Seems to me like Apple and IBM had somewhat more to do with the success of the floppy. As for the CD, it was joint-developed by Phillips, yes?

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the PS2 won because it was pure awsomeness with loads of games to match, alot of which other counsels didnt have

That sounds like an unbiased opinion.

Plus, you just backed up my point. It did so well because of the exclusive licenses, such as GTA and Final Fantasy. As time goes on there are less and less of those as publishers realise they can't afford to write off a potentially large market share.

Of all the games that were release multi-platform, you would have a hard time arguing that the playstation 2 version was superior to the versions on the other two consoles. Although no doubt you'll try anyway.
April 23rd, 2007, 03:42
10shu

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Originally Posted by Basil Zero

Ok, so many mistakes dood

Emotion Engine, dont know much about it, i admit , but from seeing what i have seen, its all good regardeless.

and you saying that sony hasnt released any interesting content? than what is the webbrowser, locationfreeplayer, etc?

Many years for the first tekken to be on PSP? how so? PSP has only been around for 2 years, and tekken came out like more than year ago.

Gran Turismo, i can understand, God of War, be patient dood, u'r not the only one who is waiting.

And about re-paying for ps1 games to be downloaded via ps3, well isnt that what the other systems are doing as well?

Especially Wii with its VC.

So before you go flaming at one company think of the facts.

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Ok...I am wrong about tekken... :)

The emotion engine is the cpu of the ps2. Sony lie when they released the ps2 saying thing like; it was more powerfull than any computer on the market...
And they do the same with the cell...I am a game develloper and I can tell u than gamewise the ps3 isn t "that powerfull..."

So now I don't say it's a bad hardware...just that sony overate the power of the ps3...
Just look at game released on 360 and ps3(fightnight, tonyhawk,splintercell,etc)...why they do not look that much better on the ps3???
Again I am sure the ps3 will probably have amazing exclusive game later on it s life cycle...but sony didn't really make there console very develloper friendly so it will take more time and money to really see the "true power" of the ps3...

about the ps1 games...I would have love to be able to play iso...i own ps1 games...I m sure it would have been possible to create a tool that extract the game from the cd and maybe lock it to the mac adress of the psp or something...Ok, now I know there here to make money...and I have nothing against paying a little money to buy a old game but come on I have to buy a ps3 to play a ps1 game on the psp!?!?!?!
That just too much don't you think??:confused:

Before been called a nintendo/microsoft fanboy
I must say i own (or played ,do not own a ps3)most of the gamesystem on the market regardless of it s brand. I just think Sony is f*****g up there brand, pretty sad...:( :(
April 23rd, 2007, 03:49
Joe88

the PS3 ver of Oblivion is superior to the 360 ver because the gfx were more cleaner and smooth
also the PC ver owns both
but this isnt an argument over multi-platform titles
it more about exclusives
just because 1 or 2 companys, capcom went muti-platform doesnt mean sony is losing all their exclusives
April 23rd, 2007, 04:06
Basil Zero

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Sony put the blu-ray player into PS3 for the same reason they made the PSP use UMDs (a format that is pretty much universally detested) - because they want to use their market share to push their own proprietary, non-interoperable media formats.

Well, is there a law in which they cant? Sure the UMD is lacking in sales compared to other formats, but blu-ray is growing no doubt, and dont count the UMD out, its still alive.

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The trouble is, most proprietary Sony media formats suck nuts. Betamax was a failure. The minidisc was a failure. Memory sticks have only survived because Sony still have a large share of the digital camera market. Blu-ray will go the same way.

I dont know much about the Betamax or minidisc, but the blu-ray, i believe will have a chance.

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Sony as a company is only interested in furthering their own market dominance. They have no interest in giving the consumer what they want. The only problem is this quite often has the opposite effect of that intended, and consumers are alienated. Sony had a runaway success with the playstation, but PSP sales aren't as strong as they should be and I don't think the PS3 is going to fare much better.

I have to disagree with you there, just because the PSP isnt as selling wise as DS, doesnt mean its a failure, the software sales are low because of the piracy which is occuring, hardware wise, its going good, infact the ps3 is doing well for a system that costs 600 bucks average.

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Plus, lets be honest, the PS2 did well because it gave you the most bang for your buck. It fell at just the right point in the market - cheaper than the XBox, but just that bit more powerful than the Gamecube. Technically it wasn't all that great. Sony were also in a lucky position with licenses - they had Square and Rockstar (and GTA sold a LOT of PS2s). That's slowly starting to slip away from them now.

That is not true, nothing about it is lucky, its a proven fact that the company which releases their game system first(not counting sega dreamcast), has been successful, ps1 first than n64, PS2 than GCN and Xbox, now we see the trend with Xbox360, being number 1 right now, Nintendo as usual staying in the second place. However I believe this generation that'll change. And your only crediting the big named companies, how about giving credit to many of the sony exclusive companies, or who have been loyal to sony, and STILL are such as Nippon Icchi.

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They're burning goodwill too fast at the moment, and when you're asking the public to spend more than the cost of a home computer on a gaming console, you NEED goodwill.

No Comment

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As for the PS2 games, most of them I bought the PS2 for are moving to the other systems, such as Dynasty Warriors, DDR, and DBZ Budokai.

Not True, at least 15-20 percent are moving.
April 23rd, 2007, 06:27
sabernet

Sony put rootkits on music CDs to infect them with virus-like DRM software; infecting over 500,000 computer systems.

Sony put incompatible copy protection on their newer DVDs, disabling them from playing on many DVD players until the community and manufacturer backlash was too strong.

Sony lies about their specs for every system since the PS2.

Sony shut down Lik-Sang using legal loopholes and brute-force lawyering.

Sony threatened and even punished Crescente from Kotaku for exersising his rights as a reporter of news.

The PSP took years to get where its at, original adopters were left in the cold for all this time. Only recently, with the consistent failings of the PS3 are they paying attention to it aside from releasing mandatory firmware patches who's only purpose is to seal a small homebrew leak.

Sony is a member of the RIAA. They sue children and innocent people and abuse the legal system on a daily basis.

There are many reasons to hate Sony. They are the enemy in many ways. Just because there are a few PSP games that are worth it does not mean we should forget all else they've done.
April 23rd, 2007, 06:41
Basil Zero

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Originally Posted by sabernet

Sony put rootkits on music CDs to infect them with virus-like DRM software; infecting over 500,000 computer systems.

Sony put incompatible copy protection on their newer DVDs, disabling them from playing on many DVD players until the community and manufacturer backlash was too strong.

Sony lies about their specs for every system since the PS2.

Sony shut down Lik-Sang using legal loopholes and brute-force lawyering.

Sony threatened and even punished Crescente from Kotaku for exersising his rights as a reporter of news.

The PSP took years to get where its at, original adopters were left in the cold for all this time. Only recently, with the consistent failings of the PS3 are they paying attention to it aside from releasing mandatory firmware patches who's only purpose is to seal a small homebrew leak.
Sony is a member of the RIAA. They sue children and innocent people and abuse the legal system on a daily basis.

There are many reasons to hate Sony. They are the enemy in many ways. Just because there are a few PSP games that are worth it does not mean we should forget all else they've done.

most of the reasons you provided have nothing to do with gaming, especially the whole "Sony sues children".

and two, PS3 isnt failing

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