I've managed to create and install a channel on my Wii. Check it out:
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I've managed to create and install a channel on my Wii. Check it out:
Then make something we need, for example a good ELF Loader Channel, Gecko Loader Channel or something like that.
We, (at least I) don't need a channel for every single homebrew I have.
I know we don't need a channel for each homebrew game/program that exists. It's just a proof that I can do it, and I'm working on other channels, like the Gecko Free Loader Channel ;)
The only "problem" is that I need DOL files to make channels work, and they aren't allways available. The DOL2ELF doesn't work correctly.
Yeah of course I didn't mean it like that ^^
Good work of corse.
I'm not an expert in this stuff, but dol and elf are different Binary formats, am I right?
So if sourcecodes of the homebrews still exsist, there would be the possibility to compile them as dol.
And that would mean you would be able to turn them into a channel, right?
Why don't you contact Nuke?
It would be great to have a Freeloader Channel.
One question, you did this over modifing a game disc of a game, right?
So to install channels (this way) we would need a modchip, right?
Well, if anyone is interested in having a channel, they can contact me and I will make one for them ;)
And yes, for now it must be installed with a DVD, and a modchip of course. I'm no good at programing, and don't know where to start to get an ELF installer xD
I'll give you gredit for making your own channel, but please don't release it until people know what these are going to do in the long run.
Here's a quote from Bushing that I think everyone should read (though they probably wont):
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Originally Posted by Bushing
could you not just look at the homebrew loader and see what they have done, someone else managed to edit it to take the time off, i think it would be awsome to put a freeloader channel on there, or how about the emulators RIN and snes? as there currently the best ones on wiiQuote:
Originally Posted by Jay_PaRaDoX
:confused: This is the same guy that removed the limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by linkinworm
no im just sudgesting, as he said he can make any wii channelQuote:
Originally Posted by DimensionT
I am the same one who did the time limit thing, with help of a friend.
I've made a new SNES Channel with the new release of the emulator that supports Front SD Saves. It's been released at the ElOtroLado forums.
soo you can get elf installing working right? i mean you know how it must work to get rid of the time limit, and getting front sd saving working
Ok...now try installing using the TP hack. Not many poeple own a modchip.
Am I the only one that's worried about the dangers of installing this stuff?
Glad to see I'm not the only one who read that. Looks like quite a few people could still stand to pay attention to it though.Quote:
Originally Posted by DimensionT
For the record, I don't find it any more responsible to have people PM you to have you make them a channel. The work that Jay has been able to do is a direct result of having access to others' work. Is it really fair to say "PM me and I'll give you the same benefit that was given to me?" At least if you'd put out source or some details of your work, others could try and make it more safe or reliable to use.
No, I'm waiting also for a good release from bushing et. al. before I install any homebrew channels on my Wii, because they seem to be the only ones that are concerned about bricking people's Wiis and stuff like that. Since this would certainly void the warranty, I'm not going to risk bricking my Wii just for a little convenience in launching homebrew until I can be relatively sure it won't brick my Wii.Quote:
Originally Posted by DimensionT
i think when you start running unsighned code on a cosole or unofficial code you have already agreed to take that risk i dont hold the developer resposible for sharing knoledge with us and people not following instructions (i have modded my psp since 1.5 FW and seen a lot of BLAME happen when any of those bricks could have been avoided by following the readme files directions :( most bricks happen because of people not reading the "read me" file! :o i think this is awesome! i would try it in a heart beat! hope the installer works on the twilight hack i use 5 emulators now and MFE as well as the titty demo WOOOT! for GRRlib!
There's no risk in running homebrew using the Twilight hack, unless the homebrew contains malicious code. Writing to the Wii's memory is a completely different thing.
You might know the risks, but not everyone does. In fact, I'm sure the majority of homebrew users don't.
The least he can do is wait on releasing this until we know what can happen. Actually, the "least" he can do is issue a warning, but I haven't seen him do that.
Too many people on here are downloading these things thinking they're perfect. It's not going to be their fault when something goes wrong, because this guy says nothing about what might happen.
I wont feel guilty if any Wii bricks because of any channel I've made.
I test the channels before I release them, so I would be the first to know any problems.
Anyway, I've got tons of other interesting channels ready, and those who dont like it aren't invited.
Oh, and I'm in contact with bushing/marcan and most of the great people from #wiidev, asking for information; most of what I know is thanks to them, and I follow their instrucctions right up to the last byte :)
That's my point... You don't seem to care. The qoute from Bushing I posted shows his concern over the matter. You may have tested it, but you still have no idea what could happen in the future.
This isn't even the issue (though it should be). You're not posting any warnings/dislaimers what-so-ever. This is why it will fall on your head when something bad happens...
But, apparently you don't care. The only people that'll be shit out of luck are the ones that decided to trust your judgment.
What exactly are the risks to the insides of the wii from using the Zelda Hack? and the sdloaders? and the emulators? and the installing of channels?
How exactly does one go about installing channels?
Why is everyone not happy about this astonishing breakthrough?
Does this channel last longer than the 10 minutes that all the other channels have been allocated so far?
What does this write to the Wii's firmware and how can I be cautious while installing so that I do not brick my Wii?
Once installed does this still require Twilight to be in the Drive or will it execute Unsigned code without it if I choose to use this channel?
How difficult is it to remove this Homebrew channel?
Some collective questions that I've had people wanting to answer, I find the top two asked quite frequently.
There is no time limit for this channel; it has been removed.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuLeD00d
I don't think the "author" is even sure at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuLeD00d
After the channel is installed, the TP disc should no longer be needed to run the channel.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuLeD00d
There are tools around to uninstall these channels, though I'm not sure if it will continue to leave traces of itself in the system or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by KuLeD00d
The answer to your first three questions is nothing. To the fourth one, no one knows. It could do anything, it could do nothing. It's not safe to say at this point.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt_Trips
It is indeed a break through... But in all honesty they should not be released to the public yet.
I agree with you completely. There is somone listening to your comments!
I'm certainly not going to install a channel on my Wii until it's been tested to death - removing the time-limit THAT WAS PUT THERE DELIBERATELY FOR USERS' SAFETY on a bit of code that is essentially in alpha (almost pre-alpha) stages is totally irresponsible.
There is always sadly a degree of willy-waving from certain people within an area such as this - trying to outdo one another before things have been properly tested - which is a great shame...
Those that are sensible will ignore these releases and instead focus on the responsible adults writing and testing code that are following correct testing procedures...
:rofl:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rod_Hull
You're right though, there really isn't much point in releasing these other then the "look what I can do" aspect. What's the point of releasing somthing, and not caring what effect it might have on peoples' Wiis? Publicity.
Booting TP isn't that hard... Just wait it out people.
just for the record, the guy is testing every iso in his own wii, so dont start bad mouthing him like that without knowing the facts. Its obvious that he has no control of the variables of every wii or different mod chips and the like, but he is testing and he has not released anything that didnt work on his own wii through installing it.
Am I reading that you want me to add a "README" in every release that no one will read?
If you know how to read spanish, you will have seen over at ElOtroLado that I alert about bricks, and I don't make myself responsible for any damages. It's all up to the end user.
Something else that makes me mad: Team Twiizers and Waninkoko have made channels, and they are GODS. I make one, and I'm NOTHING. ¿What's wrong with you people?
Of course it's not possible to know every possible situation that may arise, but trying an application once and going "well that worked just fine!" isn't very extensive testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by cebrian
And Jay, honestly, the answer to your question is simply that I don't trust your work yet. Notice I said yet meaning that I certainly hope you continue to code and I look forward to seeing more things from you in the future. It's just that at this point, my personal opinion is that it has been a little reckless and you seem to be more intentioned with getting fame out of this than actually contributing to the community. Team Twiizers has done a lot of work...a lot.
*They had the decency to protect their end users with a time limit, you removed the time limit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jay_PaRaDoX
*They are the one that actually put the work into making the channels possible, you just got some info and made some hack jobs.
*They express concern for the well being of the community, I have yet to see you give a rat's ass.
Fact is, you don't care about having respect for the scene. You showed me this when you said "They might not like it, but there's nothing they can do about it".
What's wrong with us, is that we DO have respect. Just not for you. Show a little and you might get a little.
First, Jay_Paradox is right: All coders everywhere deserve props.
Second, Why is everyone so tight lipped about how they are doing these things on the wii? Hoping for a bleem style nintendo buyout before you become liable to lawsuits?
Third, What is the Twilight hack doing to the memory inside: How is this thing working? Does IOS have a CLI's and stuff?
Fourth, is the concern about the Homebrew channel that it might screw up the operating system in fufture updates, or blow out memory?
Fifth, Coders are responsible for their code: Team Twiizers are the ones who stand to lose, so everyone back off of them and back them up!
Last, Stop worrying about evil Big Brother Nintendo: If they keep acting like this, I'll sell my kids wii and never buy Nintendo again. The Buck stops here.
I remember a time when Ma Bell and At&t owned all the phones: how is nintendo's position on the wii different?
P.S. What is bricking? Can nintendo blow out sectors of my harddrive?
I gave him credit for making his own channel. It's just that now is not the right time for this shit... But he doesn't care. He'd much rather put this stuff out now, then wait until he knows what going to happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt_Trips
It's just stupid.
You really think I don't know what I'm playing with?
You really think I'm just a guy with the correct tools and just starts making channels like mad?
You really think I'm not scared every time I test something?
Please go to the ElOtroLado forums and see what I've been up to. RIN Channel(GB/GBC Emulator) and SNES Channel with FrontSD Saving are just an example.
I've got the MFE Multimedia Player Channel ready, and please don't say that wouldn't be useful.
I think BIG problem that you have never liked me, and just say bad things about everything I do. Have you even tried these channels?
Untill you do, please don't post anything in a thread made by me, thanks.
Your efforts are appreciated but you can't blame people for being a bit sceptical of files randomly posted on a forum. I'm not saying your software is useless, quite the contrary, I just think getting it on wiibrew.org or somewhere similar would be a better place to start.
Either way, once again, thanks for your effort.
Yeah, Wiibrew.org... they ate anything from ElOtroLado, so I don't think there much to do there.....
Dude... I'm not saying you don't know what you're doing. You know how to make channels... Good, great, dandy. That doesn't mean you know what's going to happen in the long run. You have no clue, NO ONE DOES!!! These things should be kept under wraps until we know what could happen.
You're right, I don't like you. Mainly because of you're attitude and lack of emotion towards what you're potentially unleashing unto the scene, and because of the morals you hold within the scene it's self.... But that has nothing to do with it. Even if you were my best friend, I would be telling you the same thing.
These should not be released! That is, until there's an understanding of the possibilites.
Well, I don't think Team Twiizers think the same, because their 10min Homebrew Channel is exactly the same as mine are.
I'm sure you've gone to them and said the same things about their channel, haven't you? No, they are the great Team Twiizers, no one can say anything to them. (Sarcasm)
Why would they put the limit on there then? Don't say "because they didn't want people to think it was a bad channel". That's rubbish.
Even if that were true, wouldn't that make your channels "bad channels" too? Seeing as how they're exactly the same?
I doubt I'm gonna be able to, but I'm going to try and get in contact with Bushing... Just to see what he has to say.
I'm just trying to understand why you think MY channels are bad to be installed, when they are based on Team Twiizers origianl channel, which isn't bad to be installed.
I mean, what's different? The channel just loads a different DOL, that's it. It leaves the same data in the Wii once removed, and is as bad as their channel.
PD: This is just a video... Imagine if I would have posted the links to the ISO's?? Maybe I would have been banned from here.
I've said before that I've yet to touch those channels as well. I didn't even comment in that thread, because I decided to wait and see what would happen. Then your thread came along, and I felt the need to tell people to be weary.
If thier channel were released today, I would be saying the same things to them. Just not in such an angry manner.
I'll admit that if I didn't feel the way I do about you, my arguements would be more civil... But they would still hold the same points.
If Nintendo knows what the holes are that allow for the exploits, it's a lot easier for them to close them. Team Twiizers has kept a lot under wraps to give them time to do as much as they can and do find other possible holes in the event that one or more of the exploits is rendered useless.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt_Trips
I'm not even sure what you're talking about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt_Trips
Um...it's much different. When Ma Bell owned all the phones, you had to pay to lease one that you could use in your house. Ma Bell was eventually broken up because it had a monopoly. When you buy a Wii, the Wii is now yours. Also, Nintendo is far from having a monopoly on the gaming market. I don't know how to make it any simpler than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt_Trips
Blow out sectors of your hard drive? I'm tempted to say "yes" and leave it at that. Bricking is what happens when you mod your Wii and something goes wrong (you did something wrong, new firmware gets released, etc.) and your Wii will be completely worthless. It will be a brick.Quote:
Originally Posted by Capt_Trips