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Say, I was just thinking about how many people have not been able to get 3D games to the DC, but has anyone tried to license the Unreal Engine from Epic Games? Supposedly they lisenced the source code for porting to the Dreamcast although I am not sure if they still do. Maybe this is something someone can look into....
http://www.epicgames.com/licensing.html
You know that cost a assload to do right. Plus unreal 1 is very primitive and the scene could probably write a better engine in this day and age.
Not true. In terms of 3D we are still in the stone age. The best 3D coder in the scene (iirc) was Trilinear and hes off working making commercial games now.
iris is a good wee 3d engine
[quote author=Hola link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=0#1 date=08/03/04 at 11:57:38]You know that cost a assload to do right. Plus unreal 1 is very primitive and the scene could probably write a better engine in this day and age.
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we arnt talking about unreal 1, we are talking about unreal tournament. YES I KNOW THEY USE THE SAME ENGINE! It isnt about the engine so much as it was about the hardware that existed at the time of their releases. the unreal engine would probably push on the DC pretty hard. the Unreal Engine is a very powerfull engine and it was used for quite a few games.
I doubt anyone will write a engine better than that for the dc from the homebrew scene.
Actually I was talking about unreal 1 but I then decides to read there liscening and its extremly interesting. You dont actually get just one engine you get everything they've made thats unreal related. You get to choose weather or not you wanna use the newest or a older. So its always gonna be extremly expensive because you always have to pay for the newest unreal engine.
but the cost must be alright for enough of the DC development community, because they put so much work into their ports, and homebrew games. I'm sure one dedicated dc dev site will fund the unreal liscence and make a decent amount of games. It has been said by DC developers at one time, that a single DC game can be made in a single month with a small team....
I think its possible to do it... but it isnt going to happen. If people really were interested in it though, Unreal's Engine really is the way to go.
You know lisceings is like in the 100 thousands right. You find me some DC fans willing to pay that and I'll find you some coders wanting to work with it.
You people all do know that Unreal Tournament was released on the DC right? It obviously dosnt push the hardware to the max...
LOL quzar i was just thinking about Trillinear and i gave the guy a email giving him a review on his games and i was wondering why i didnt get a message back. But i do have to say his work was rather amazing and the reason why i was thinking about the guy was cause i played his games in the past and before i never really looked at coders just looked to play and tell my info about them.
Now i look at coders cause from just being here for a little while now i know there is differences between everyone and what i mean by that is they all do different things and some can only do very few projects. As for Trillian he was amazing for the 3D games and another reason i was thinking about the guy and the scene at the sametime right now there is nobody who can do 3D games except for Dan Potter but he makes homebrew games to sell and there could be possibly someone else who can do 3D games.
But there could also be someone else but from what i know trillinear. Anyways with that its quite possible i think by the end of this year 3D will come out just cause of how many things that werent possible in the past have been done this year.
Thanks again to everyones great work and to new coders for bringing more and more things to the scene.
Eric
[quote author=Hola link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=0#8 date=08/03/04 at 21:11:02]You know lisceings is like in the 100 thousands right. You find me some DC fans willing to pay that and I'll find you some coders wanting to work with it.[/quote]
100k?!?! forget that!
I am sure they dumbed it down quite a bit. Anyway lets not talk about first person shooters on the dreamcast... its depressing. :'(Quote:
You people all do know that Unreal Tournament was released on the DC right? It obviously dosnt push the hardware to the max...
i was really annoyed about Unreal Tournament, the US version had 8 player online, the PAL version had NONE! i was really looking forward to it!
btw the Yeti 3D engine was ported to the dc but no one has released anything yet...
http://www.theteahouse.com.au/gba/
[quote author=Eric link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=0#10 date=08/04/04 at 07:13:20]Â*As for Trillian he was amazing for the 3D games and another reason i was thinking about the guy and the scene at the sametime right now there is nobody who can do 3D games except for Dan Potter but he makes homebrew games to sell and there could be possibly someone else who can do 3D games.[/quote]
Heinrich has a really good looking 3D game out there called DCastle right now. Probably the main reason there are fewer 3D games out there is because they can take longer to code. and creating 3d levels/models is very time consuming and difficult.
Yeti3D is a very nice portable engine, and from what I've been following, OneTirty8 has been doing nice work on it. Iris3D is a great 3d engine specifically for the DC but it can take time to learn. That being said, there's a good User Manual with it...and I want to start work on bringing another 3D engine to the DC also, if I can get the time :)
[quote author=1timeuser link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=0#11 date=08/04/04 at 07:52:16]
100k?!?! forget that!
I am sure they dumbed it down quite a bit. Anyway lets not talk about first person shooters on the dreamcast... its depressing. Â*:'(
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FPSs are kind of what the unreal engine is for...
Heinrich used Iris3D right?
DCastle looks great btw
if im not mistaken duke nukem manhatten project used the unreal engine,i could be wrong and that is not a 3d shooter...the unreal engine could be used for non shooters.... its a really nice engine...
[quote author=vipor231 link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=15#16 date=08/04/04 at 21:03:01]if im not mistaken duke nukem manhatten project used the unreal engine,i could be wrong and that is not a 3d shooter...the unreal engine could be used for non shooters.... its a really nice engine...[/quote]
yup. Just as quake 2's engine could be used for other things, unreal can be too. There are games and mods that use the engines but arnt first person shooters.
[quote author=Darksaviour69 link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=15#15 date=08/04/04 at 19:54:43] Heinrich used Iris3D right?
DCastle looks great btw[/quote]
That's Correct.
I don't remember Yeti3D being ported :?
it was. a while back. nobody did anything with it though, and for some reason nobody seemed to care either.
Vorrtexx:
Heinrich has a really good looking 3D game out there called DCastle right now. Probably the main reason there are fewer 3D games out there is because they can take longer to code. and creating 3d levels/models is very time consuming and difficult.
Thanks i also forgot to mention him and the name is new to my eyes as i dont really see him to much in here and not much word about him.
[quote author=quzar link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=15#20 date=08/05/04 at 07:11:18]it was. a while back. nobody did anything with it though, and for some reason nobody seemed to care either.[/quote]
probably because the tools didn't really exist to work with it. When I ported it, the textures and sprites were stored in C files as hex data which were compiled into the engine. so it didn't make editing very easy unless you knew the structure to things. OneThirty8 has been working on it since though and has made changes to that.
Hey vorrtexx i am gathering you are the guy to make the Vortex port if its the same name as yours i was wondering if you could make a 50htz version as i really would love to check this one out.
The Source code I released was for 50hz I think, 50hz is PAL right? I always get them mixed up. have you a dev environment to compile the source? I think I might have the elf of bin around on my laptop somewhere, if I do I'll dump it somewhere.
If you can compile source, then the source is availabe from my site: http://vorrtexx.ionichost.com/
[quote author=quzar link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=15#20 date=08/05/04 at 07:11:18]it was. a while back. nobody did anything with it though, and for some reason nobody seemed to care either.[/quote]
The port didnt allow for high reso and wasnt complete. I think thats the reason no one cared.
why not wait for the quake 3 engine to go gpl in a few weeks?
[quote author=Mental2k link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=15#26 date=08/05/04 at 16:45:47]why not wait for the quake 3 engine to go gpl in a few weeks?[/quote]
!!!!!
!!!! wow!
can you provide a link to this info?
Because who has enough skill here to port quake 3? and isnt Quake 3 very Direct X dependent?
quzar, I'm basin it on the fact ID said they'd release it when DOOM3 came out which is soon. They usually do. You can get the source for Q1 and 2 on their site at www.idsoftware.com
well i know Q1 and 2 have been released, but where did they say they would release q3? its still a commercially viable engine.
I read it in a magazine in an interview with graeme devine.
found this at www.planetquake.com
here is the slashdot thread link.Quote:
Quake 3 To Go Open Source?
Quake III Arena News | 8/4/2004 | 6:12 PST - Jube
In this Slashdot thread regarding the release of DOOM 3, id Software's John Carmack briefly touches on the topic of the Quake 3 engine going open source. Here's a copy and paste for your ogling pleasure:
Re:Quake3 engine open-source? When?
by John Carmack on Wednesday August 04, @03:13AM
By the end of the year. There are still a lot of higher priority things, but it is coming soon.
Hopefully punkbuster will keep the source release from having any negative impact on the player community.
John Carmack
http://slashdot.org/articles/99/12/26/1255258.shtml
cool news.
Vorrtexx:If you can compile source, then the source is availabe from my site: http://vorrtexx.ionichost.com/
Sorry i dont compile i dont have knowledge in that area just a reviewer
Eric
If we're talking about portable engines, have any of you seen tenebrae - http://tenebrae.sourceforge.net/ its based on the quake1 engine, but adds stencil shadows and per pixel lights.
Theres also the even more advanced tenebra2 - http://www.tenebrae2.com which push's it even further, though the tech info isn't avaiable.
The first ones kinda extremly unoptimized and far to much for the DC and the second one is so advanced that it clearly cant run on DC. However you might wanna look out for a XPort of Engine to Xbox as that seems very possable.
tenabrae was pretty good, mst d/l 2 havent tried it. Its wat first alerted to me the fact you could run Q1 on XP. (you have to use GL quake for those who don't know.
Has open GL been posrted to DC?
Wonder would ID release the source to the DC version of Q3...
[quote author=Mental2k link=board=Dev;num=1091550991;start=30#36 date=08/07/04 at 16:19:17]tenabrae was pretty good, mst d/l 2 havent tried it. Its wat first alerted to me the fact you could run Q1 on XP. (you have to use GL quake for those who don't know.
Has open GL been posrted to DC?
Wonder would ID release the source to the DC version of Q3...[/quote]
You got a good point, if they're releasing the quake3 source, wouldn't that include the different ports of it.
You'd still have to have the katana dev kit though
Theoretically you could take out all the katana code and replace it with KGL code or something.
Where all forgeting the fact the Q3 was rather bad on DC too arent we?