What Emulator WON'T run on a DS *N64*

I've seen some questions asked about certain emu's for the PSP and DS, silly ones, but good ones asked due to lack of knowledge. so, I'm making this thread, to show new people what will not run on a DS, and give some general pointers.

WHAT WILL NOT RUN OR BE BOTHERED WITH:
Sony Playstation
Sega Saturn
Nintendo 64
and anything newer

GENERAL EMULATION POINTERS:
To emulate a game system, the system to run the emulator on must be 7 times as powerful(as I've heard) so, a DS with it's 67(?)MHz processor will NOT run a N64 emulator, as the N64 has a 97mhz processor. same goes for Playstation on DS, with lesser specs.

So, in recap:
if a game system is close to as powerful as the system to have an emulator, that system cannot be emulated.

Now, if anyone asks for a N64 emulator, you have exposed yourself to the line of dissing fire. The info is RIGHT HERE(well, up there ^) and there's no excuse not to have it.

The grey are is MAME. What kind of mame roms can be emulated?

This needs to be stickied, basically anything past the SNES / SEGA Era of consoles will never work on the ds. With the exception of mame.

well, no one knows as no mame emus have been made. but i can guarantee pac man will run!

oooohhhh! MAME on the DS! I hadn't thought of that one. NBA jam in my pocket "IS IT THE SHOES???!??"

Shame I have no talent to contribute to getting a MAME emu together for the DS...

Stickied for relevance.

Now people MIGHT not post stupid "Omfg lawl n64 emu pl0x lol" threads.

Thanks, it'll help

Thanks, Mr_Biggs.

wow, ive done something good. i think im gonna cry. you're welcome guys.

You owe me for the sticky, hehe.

*The Grammar Nazi Returns to FFIII*

but Super Mario 64 works so why can't there be an N64 Emu


;)

yea I know, I am very very confused @_@

aight, ill explain it for you. to emulate a system such as the 64, the ds must be 6 or 7 times as powerful. its not. and, some of the textures in SM64 are lower quality if you notice. now quit asking these questions!

hey Hombrew(sorry for being off topic :)), congrats on achieving your dream of being a DCEmu Grammar Nazi :D, and nice idea Mr_Biggs, for the "emus that won't run on..." list(for noobs)

thanks man, we're just two geniuses, doing what we do best. whatever it is, we will keep it up!

6 or 7 times isn't strictly true, there are lots of considerations to take into account when talking about emulation on the ds. From RAM to Processor Speed etc etc. The point that you're unlikely to see an n64 emulator that can play mario 64 at more than one frame per second remains true.

Mario 64 DS was coded specifically for the DS from the original source code, it wasn't emulated. That's why it runs full speed.

I may help clarify the situation if we used the word "translator" or "interpreter" instead of "emulator" - like the OP said, the target machine has to be several times faster than the system being emulated as the target system has to be capable of translating the original code into code that it can execute and then executing it, on-the-fly, without slowdown.

Mame stands for "Multiple Arcade Machine Emulator" in other words, it emulates numerous systems. Now, I expect a DS running a Mame port could probably cope with any roms up to the early (and possibly mid) 90s without having to slow down but beyond that, you'd be pushing it.

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Originally Posted by souLLy

Mario 64 DS was coded specifically for the DS from the original source code, it wasn't emulated. That's why it runs full speed.

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Amen. ported games are never emulated, always recoded from scratch. or near as scratch.

notice the ;) at the end of my post

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Originally Posted by Mazza

notice the ;) at the end of my post

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For a sec I was like "wha?"

Then I realized why you did that.

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Originally Posted by Mazza

notice the ;) at the end of my post

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Doh! haha

Im going to as something that might make you huys cringe (Im new); Where do you get the emulators that will run on the DS itself? Also, will they work with Superkey and Supercard?

Thanks in advance!

... I have a genesis emulator on my DS. And i have some games also. Works fine.

u guys didn't mention cps1, so its possible to run on ds?

No N64? That sucks... At least I hadn't asked yet. We need to beg Rare to release Goldeneye 007 for the DS. I'd buy it, no questions asked!

Nevermind, I just remembered that Rare was bought out by Microsoft... We'll never see Goldeneye 64 again... :'( Alas, Goldeneye...

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Originally Posted by andysjones

The grey are is MAME. What kind of mame roms can be emulated?

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ROMs for arcade systems that use a processor equal to or less powerful than an M68000, basically.

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Originally Posted by andysjones

The grey are is MAME. What kind of mame roms can be emulated?

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ROMs for arcade systems that use a processor equal to or less powerful than an M68000 around 8 MHz, basically. Pretty much any arcade system less beefy than the MD/Genesis.

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Originally Posted by Cheatsurfer

No N64? That sucks... At least I hadn't asked yet. We need to beg Rare to release Goldeneye 007 for the DS. I'd buy it, no questions asked!

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um golden eye:rouge agent?

damn, dude. you've apparently never played either one or the other if you think rouge agent is on par with goldeneye 007.

I'm by no means an expert but doesn't emulation also depend on factors like similar hardware? I have in mind N64 and the psp had some similar hardware that made it a lot easier to port it to the psp.

yeah, similar hardware makes things easier, since that's a bit of hardware that doent need to be emulated. idk abou the psp and n64, but that was a bit of magic there.

My few pennies worth on this topic:

1) Good idea, first off but i have a few suggestions man:

2) N64 emulation CAN happen, just not COMMERCIAL roms, PD roms (or public domain) only draw on the framebuffer and not technical features such as COP1(floating point)/COP2(vectors) etc, and in my opinion a lot of the PD roms for the n64 rock!

3) Hardware is too broader term also (this is directed at gronne) they both use MIPS CPU's but they're are certain other features that the PSP lacks and that is the "Magic" that Mr Biggs reffers to.

4) 6/7 times is not a general rule, it just depends on the console in question, ie, the limitations it imposes that the cpu needs to make up for.

Hope thats a little more specific for everyone ;)

Thanks for the input Xion.

When i say N64 emulation cant happen on a DS, i mean you cant have all the hardware emulated to the point we have playable commercial games. if your description of emulation was the true definition, then dreamcast on xbox would be considered possible, even though it would be the BIOS menu only.

the N64 emu on psp, and not it's functions, is magic, friend. ;D if the PSP had some better games and went without FW updates, i would buy one.

I know the x6/7 power statement isnt a rule of thumb, but i said that as a bare minimum for systems.

i knew you meant commerical games ;)
I'll admit i was a little pedantic but it just annoys me sometimes when people say"XXX emulation isn't possible" full emulation isn't but 7 times in 10 PD roms can be, if people support homebrew surely they would enjoy N64 homebrew games (although the emulators available for the N64 will probably not run ;))

Go here for several PD Roms:

i reccomend the pong game, it actually works nice and smooth as apposed to a lot of pong hacks which just plain suck, if i ever get some time i may do an N64 PD Rom emu just for a joke lol.


But dont quote me on that rofl

peace out

You can shove your stickies up your arse.

i dont have room to shove "your stickies up your arse", your head is taking up too much room. did you join DCEmu just to make that crappy stupid comment? you do know, fighting online is like competing in the special olympics. even if you win, you're still retarded.

Processor speed isn't all that you have to consider an 8-bit processor running at 16mhz is not faster than a 16-bit processor running at 12mhz.

The DS and the N64 might be different speeds but is the processor the same? I have a Centrino Dus that is clocked slower than my Athlon was but runs much faster....

Well Mr Biggs explain me this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-DUawYUtXo

WHAT WILL NOT RUN OR BE BOTHERED WITH:
Sony Playstation
Sega Saturn
Nintendo 64
Neo-Geo MVS(?)
and anything newer

GENERAL EMULATION POINTERS:
to emulate a game system, the system to run the emulator on must be 7 times as powerful(as ive heard) so, a DS with it's 67(?)mhz processor will NOT run a N64 emulator, as the N64 has a 97mhz processor. same goes for playstation on ds, with lesser specs.

so, in recap:
if a game system is close to as powerful as the system to have an emulator, that system cannot be emulated.

Now, if anyone asks for a N64 or NGMVS emulator, you have exposed yourself to the line of dissing fire. the info is RIGHT HERE(well, up there ^) and there's no excuse not to have it.(if it gets stickied hint hint)

WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!! U WERE WRONG NOOB!!!