Nintendo Using New Chip to Combat Piracy

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February 11th, 2007, 00:03
wraggster

Nintendo Using New Chip to Combat Piracy

Nintendo are now using a new chip called the Matronix Chip in the game DS Air,

Heres what was posted at an hacking site

A possibly new protection method was implied to the latest NDS Game Jet Impulse/DS Air. Two of our suppliers have tried WRG DUMP 1.4/M3 and got the same dumping problems. This game is 1Gbit in size and uses the Macronix chip. A noticeable fact is that this is the first 1Gbit.

Nintendo Fighting back at last ?
February 11th, 2007, 00:26
kcajblue

this could be a problem unless its only that game.
February 11th, 2007, 00:27
DanTheManMS

I'm pretty sure Elite Beat Agents is 1 Gbit (128 MBytes), though I don't know which one was released first.
February 11th, 2007, 00:35
kcajblue

there a lot of games that are 128MB
February 11th, 2007, 00:51
raging_bull

True, look at Elite Beat Agents and Resident Evil - Deadly Silence..
February 11th, 2007, 02:51
The Hombrew Hunter

Ffiii.
February 11th, 2007, 02:52
Keitaro Urashima

Way to go Nintendo. No more piracy for me. You never know, if your game is defective or not.^^
February 11th, 2007, 03:15
HousePlant

This isnt the first 1 gbit game.
February 11th, 2007, 03:29
woods05

this is good, no more stealers.
February 11th, 2007, 03:34
kcajblue

what about people who back up their cartridges just in case something happens to it.
February 11th, 2007, 03:57
Auriman1

Direct quote from a DS game manual:

Copying of any video game for any Nintendo system is illegal and is strictly prohibited by domestic and international intellectual property laws. "Back-up" or "archival" copies are not authorized and are not necessary to protect your software. Violators will be prosecuted.

Their specifically targeting back-ups in this statement would support the idea of an anti-dumping chip being implemented sooner or later, although I'm not sure if this is the case. Maybe the chip is just using a new format that's incompatible with older dumping equipment?
February 11th, 2007, 04:48
iniquitous_beast

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcajblue

what about people who back up their cartridges just in case something happens to it.

Flawed logic. How often does something happen to your cartridge? Are they so rare that they must be handled with rubber gloves and kept in a vault? If your house were to burn down with your game cartridge inside it, would your backup (most likely also in your house) be any better off?

Those who back up their games do it for piracy reasons. There are a few legit reasons besides piracy, but none of them are "in case something happens to my main copy".
February 11th, 2007, 05:14
Shadowblind

See, I think its good of Nintendo to fight piracy. Just as long as they dont mess too much with homebrew.
February 11th, 2007, 06:20
kcajblue

Quote:

Originally Posted by Auriman1

Direct quote from a DS game manual:

Copying of any video game for any Nintendo system is illegal and is strictly prohibited by domestic and international intellectual property laws. "Back-up" or "archival" copies are not authorized and are not necessary to protect your software. Violators will be prosecuted.

Their specifically targeting back-ups in this statement would support the idea of an anti-dumping chip being implemented sooner or later, although I'm not sure if this is the case. Maybe the chip is just using a new format that's incompatible with older dumping equipment?

Quote:

Originally Posted by iniquitous_beast

Flawed logic. How often does something happen to your cartridge? Are they so rare that they must be handled with rubber gloves and kept in a vault? If your house were to burn down with your game cartridge inside it, would your backup (most likely also in your house) be any better off?

Those who back up their games do it for piracy reasons. There are a few legit reasons besides piracy, but none of them are "in case something happens to my main copy".

just so you guys know, im not one of the people who does that.
i was just stating it, for everyone to hear.
February 11th, 2007, 06:36
Junixx

Quote:

Originally Posted by iniquitous_beast

Those who back up their games do it for piracy reasons. There are a few legit reasons besides piracy, but none of them are "in case something happens to my main copy".

There are sometimes where it's good to have backups, such as I lost a game holder (4 games) on a bus ride once, fell out of my pocket or something. Still have the case and everything with the backups, although not too much use to me.. thats just once of those instances though
February 11th, 2007, 09:27
Mourningstar

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcajblue

what about people who back up their cartridges just in case something happens to it.

I love having all my games on one card...
February 11th, 2007, 10:47
Fetty

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcajblue

what about people who back up their cartridges just in case something happens to it.

they have nothing to fear because they dont exist... for the cost of a ds cart dumper one could purchase duplicate copies of the games they wanted instead
February 11th, 2007, 13:36
lexluthor

Quote:

Originally Posted by kcajblue

what about people who back up their cartridges just in case something happens to it.

How many of those people actually exist... I mean... seriously!?
February 11th, 2007, 13:55
toymin80r

hopefully we can still get a unprotected Zelda cartridge when it comes out, or else ill go out and buy it.
February 11th, 2007, 16:10
Hateshinai

Is it possible that the new chip provides some extra processing power like the SNES FX chip used in Starfox? In this case dumping the ROM would be no use because none of the back-up carts would be able to run the game anyhow.
February 11th, 2007, 16:58
basilb

Quote:

Originally Posted by iniquitous_beast

Flawed logic. How often does something happen to your cartridge? Are they so rare that they must be handled with rubber gloves and kept in a vault? If your house were to burn down with your game cartridge inside it, would your backup (most likely also in your house) be any better off?

Those who back up their games do it for piracy reasons. There are a few legit reasons besides piracy, but none of them are "in case something happens to my main copy".

I had a load of my nds games stolen when I was on holiday last year, I'm glad I had back ups of them.
February 12th, 2007, 15:31
Cygoku

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hateshinai

Is it possible that the new chip provides some extra processing power like the SNES FX chip used in Starfox? In this case dumping the ROM would be no use because none of the back-up carts would be able to run the game anyhow.

...that would just be a matter of time,...

Cygoku
February 14th, 2007, 15:41
souLLy

Let me remind everyone that warez is not acceptable on the forums.

'Back-ups' is just a nicer sounding word for piracy and warez, I don't care about what your personal views on what should be allowed or not, the rule on the forums is no warez.
February 15th, 2007, 01:53
DanTheManMS

Well, the game appears to have been dumped successfully anyway, so this thread is a bit useless as it is now.