What does everyone here think about recreational drug use?

Again and again I am faced with this subject.
These are my opinions...

1. Certain drugs SHOULD be illegal and restricted (like opium, herion, and cocaine for example) because of their horrid effects on the human body and mind.

However, all others should be legal but restricted (like tobacco).

I personally think that the U.S government only got in the game because of public pressure, and losing money. I think the the government does not give a damn about what the average American does, unless it loses money.

I would like to here some of your opinions on this controversial subject (at least in the U.S).

EDIT: Since JKKDARK is an idiot that doesn't read posts :p, I meant ALL OTHERS that don't damage the body (Mushrooms, LSD, Marijuana, and all other hallucinogens) should be legal to people over 21.

I'm not agree. I don't give a fcuk if you don't like people using them.

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Originally Posted by JKKDARK

I'm not agree. I don't give a fcuk if you don't like people using them.

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I don't think you read my post correctly...

I honestly think anything organic should be legal. Cigarettes and alcohol have much more diverse effects on the body than marijuana. Marijuana is all natural whereas cigs are jam packed with drugs and chemicals that are detrimental to the body. Cigs are known to be addictive whereas studies ahve shown that there is no proof that marijuana is addicting. Alcohol destroys your liver and really does a pounding on your brain.

So yeah, I agree that recreational drugs (if organic) are fine, it is the stuff that is already legal that needs to be outlawed.

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Originally Posted by MasterChafed

I honestly think anything organic should be legal. Cigarettes and alcohol have much more diverse effects on the body than marijuana. Marijuana is all natural whereas cigs are jam packed with drugs and chemicals that are detrimental to the body. Cigs are known to be addictive whereas studies ahve shown that there is no proof that marijuana is addicting. Alcohol destroys your liver and really does a pounding on your brain.

So yeah, I agree that recreational drugs (if organic) are fine, it is the stuff that is already legal that needs to be outlawed.

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I agree with you all the way.

But the problem is that the U.S makes a TON of money on the tobacco and alcohol industry due to tax. So I don't think it will be outlawed anytime soon.

Also some brilliant people have used Marijuana and we don't see them standing in the street do we?

Nope, in fact, Marijuana has been shown to increase the thought processes, allow you to think more clearly on a certain subject, and even allow you to understand things you never could understand before. It works great as a sleep aid, can help people with pain as simple as a cramp, to severe diseases. Of course, you know what would happen if the government legalized marijuana, cigarette companies would start manufacturing marijuana cigs and still pack all that sh!t into them. But yeah, if anything, marijuana is helpful, there are only a few risks that aren't even comparable to cigarettes and alcohol, the two main ones being short term memory loss (while your on marijuana not after) and of course lung disease if you smoke it, which is more likely to happen with cigarettes anyway because of the chemicals manufactured and stored within the cigarette.

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Originally Posted by MasterChafed

Nope, in fact, Marijuana has been shown to increase the thought processes, allow you to think more clearly on a certain subject, and even allow you to understand things you never could understand before. It works great as a sleep aid, can help people with pain as simple as a cramp, to severe diseases. Of course, you know what would happen if the government legalized marijuana, cigarette companies would start manufacturing marijuana cigs and still pack all that sh!t into them. But yeah, if anything, marijuana is helpful, there are only a few risks that aren't even comparable to cigarettes and alcohol, the two main ones being short term memory loss (while your on marijuana not after) and of course lung disease if you smoke it, which is more likely to happen with cigarettes anyway because of the chemicals manufactured and stored within the cigarette.

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If all these things are facts, why not give resources? There is no way any official study would say that marijuana increases thought processes. Also, no cigarette company would get in on marijuana were it made legal due to the horrible image it would portray in the minds of the american public.

I disagree with the illegalization of most of these things because they were done without any scientific basis. Most of the 'older' drugs were made illegal prior to world war two, and in the 60s when the government overturned some of the laws banning them due to the fact that they were unconstitutional, they were immediately put into the schedual list which is for MUCH more dangerous things.

I also specifically disagree with the illegalization of marijuana for two reasons: 1) it isn't physically dangerous in a way that the government should control it 2) illegalization breeds crime around it and related to it.

The same in my mind goes for LSD(which contrary to popular belief does not build up in your spine), peyote, mescaline, and some random synthetic phenethylamines.

have you ever seen the comedian Bill Hicks, he died in '94 i think but he was funny. he loved drugs and said that god was like "Oh no! i have just filled the world with marijuana, it might give people the idea they're supposed to use it. oh well, i better make the republican party!". he also went on about organic drugs and how magic mushrooms grow on cow shit. he said "where do you think the phrase "that's good shit" came from?" what a legend!

I remember reading somewhere that Marjiuana increases thought processes. I think it was on wikipedia, let me go check.

Ask Shadowprophet, he's used the stuff, so he would know.

[EDIT] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ts_of_cannabis

Marijuana does diddly squat to the lungs. It doesn't harm them at all. Actually, thc actually like helps with cancer.
For all you sober non-believers
http://feeds.feedburner.com/~r/qj/sp...89738842/82567

I very dislike cigarettes. I mean, they are purposely addicting. BTW, shrooms shouldn't be legal. They make your brain bleed.
Also, it is said (no source) if you stay up for 72 hours, you have the possibility of having the same trip as a person on LSD. I cannot confirm, just only believe that. I am going to try probably friday/today/summer.

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Originally Posted by ExcruciationX

I remember reading somewhere that Marjiuana increases thought processes. I think it was on wikipedia, let me go check.

Ask Shadowprophet, he's used the stuff, so he would know.

[EDIT] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ts_of_cannabis

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I fail to see where that says it increases thought processes (or more to the point makes you think more/better). in fact :

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Some of the effects of marijuana use include increased heart rate, dryness of the mouth, reddening of the eyes (congestion of the conjunctival blood vessels), a reduction in intra-ocular pressure, mild impairment of motor skills and concentration, and increased hunger.

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Now, when you're on it of course, you think you're thinking more clearly than ever before. I know I've tried programming on it before and wrote like 3x as much code as I normally can in the same time frame. Next morning I looked at it and it was of course buggy as hell, but it got written nonetheless.

I'm not saying that it's bad for you, but just that it is simply something for recreation (other than of course the pain dulling, which however can be done much better by standard pain medications for most types of pain) and not something that's gonna make you think better (unless you're discussing creativity which is something completely different).

If you search the page for "brain" it has some stuff on how it does improve it. I didn't read up on it too much so i could have missed a couple words here and there.

I'm a HUGE supporter or legalizing ALL drugs.

Although the hard drugs (heroin, cocaine, LSD, ecstacy) do kill people (about 26,000 a year in the US which is about 1% of all deaths and this is drug induced deaths) making them illegal won't stop people from using them. I think legalizing hard drugs but making them much less pure (heroin is almost 100% pure these days) and having other restrictions on them is ok.

As for marijuana, I REALLY cannot see how it is still illegal. Weed has NEVER killed one single person in all history. Alcohol is technically worse for you than weed because it can kill you plus it actually causes brain damage. Yes, I have smoked marijuana before.

But in general, making drugs illegal creates more problems. First is that a black market is created, and drug dealers become rich off of it. People will never stop using drugs, the government should have learned this already. This is the same reason why alcohol prohibition didn't work.

Penn and Teller basically summed up the whole joke that is the war on drugs on the episode "War on Drugs," look for it it's very interesting.

But most importantly, there's something called freedom, and freedom means I can do whatever I want provided I don't hurt others or infringe on other people's freedom.

LSD has never killed anyone besides suicides and stuff like that. I support legalization of marijuana. I always find it makes me think positively and creatively. Alcohol's great but it makes you make an ass out of your self. And you'll probably get more violent. Marijuana makes you less violent.

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LSD has never killed anyone besides suicides and stuff like that.

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Yeah, ummm, that's not good. You could almost say that about acid too.

Anywho, we should create a petition to legalize marijuana but put an age limit of like 15/16 on it. Don't have the government control the creation of it though, for they will ruin it and try to make a lot of money on it. I mean, look at cigarettes, they killed those and people. Maybe, just make it legal but keep it where people still buy it off the streets and stuff.

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Originally Posted by joshisposer

Yeah, ummm, that's not good. You could almost say that about acid too.

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You have just relvealed that you don't know anything about any of this. Thanks for the heads up.

The article does summarize a bunch of different interactions marijuana has with the brain, but none of them are specifically positive in the sense that they increase your functionality.


SSa: I don't know how you'd like to classify "hard drugs" but you seem to have an odd very personalized way to go about it. USUALLY LSD and x are not considered hard drugs, as they are not addictive, nor is it extremely easy to OD on. Now, if you want to classify them by their affect on a person, LSD would be on the list, and X would be off. I personally tend to set the list into "permanent detrimental effects" and "no known permanent effects" in which case heroin, cocaine, and x are in the first category and pot, lsd, opium, and most phenethyls are in the latter.

If you do some research, you'll see that there are two sets of reasons marijuana is illegal. The first was it's original banning which happened near the beginning of the 20th century with basically one guy who tried to get it gone and used extremely rascist and religious reasons to do so. Then when the laws banning it were overturned in the 60s, and it was legal for a few years, it was put back into the illegal category because: 1) it was illegal for so long that it was associated with illegal behavoir, and had lots of negative public image 2) it was favored by people who opposed governmental policy (hippies!) and provided a good way to crack down on them.

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Originally Posted by quzar

SSa: I don't know how you'd like to classify "hard drugs"

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I'm referring to the drugs which you can overdose on. Marijuana obviously isn't one.

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Originally Posted by joshisposer

Anywho, we should create a petition to legalize marijuana but put an age limit of like 15/16 on it. Don't have the government control the creation of it though, for they will ruin it and try to make a lot of money on it. I mean, look at cigarettes, they killed those and people. Maybe, just make it legal but keep it where people still buy it off the streets and stuff.

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There was an effort in Nevada to legalize up to one ounce of marijuana for people 21 and older. Under the plan, there would also be stricter penalties for people driving under the influence of it and people who sold it to minors. There would also be a tax placed on it.

The measure failed, partly due to the drug czar going to Nevada using OUR tax money to pay off organizations to agree with him.

Here's some interesting videos on marijuana: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CfcRyruo91Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oTIItJA64Nc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yj72e5q61Fs

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Originally Posted by joshisposer

Yeah, ummm, that's not good. You could almost say that about acid too.

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You obviously are not good in this subject. I'm not holding my silence any longer...

It is IMPOSSIBLE to over-dose on LSD (to the best of my knowledge).

It is not physically addictive, but you do gain tolerance to it. Just don't use it for a few days and you will be back to normal.

There are really no health risks from using it or any long term effects except a slight chance of developing pychosis, and flashbacks (both are rare).

A flashback is where someone experiences LSD like effects days, months, even years, after the drug has long been consumed and worn off.

Also, it is currently un-known if LSD causes pychosis in pre-disposed individuals or if it would have manfested otherwise, or if a certain gene difference causes it (thank's to the damn government making it "Class A").

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Originally Posted by SSaxdude

I'm referring to the drugs which you can overdose on. Marijuana obviously isn't one.

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the LD50 of LSD is ridiculously high. There is only one documented case of something that MAY have been a death caused by overdose, in which someone injected themselves with 1/3 a gram of LSD. To put that into perspective, the standard dosage is measured in micrograms. This was like 3000x a high dose at once. This would put it up there with the LD50 of marijuana which would require a person to injest more than their body weight in plant in one sitting.

EDIT: didn't see EX's response. To add to it, a flashback is NOT a result of small amounts of lsd staying in your system and re-introducing themselves. What it is is that while you are on the substance, and your brain is muddling all your sensory inputs, it is learning to interpret things in certain ways (similarly to how when you taste something for the first time, it gets registered into your brain and remembered for the next time you think of the thing and wonder about it's taste). A flashback happens when at some later date, your brain accesses memories or thought patterns that were formed while you were on the substance, causing you to interpret things the way you would while on it.

You guys took what i said wrong. I said

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Originally Posted by JOshISPoser

could almost

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What i meant was, he said for lsd is people could commit suicide and people have done that on acid too. I never said anything about LSD kills or acid doesn't and stuff. My bro has been to jail because of drugs, i no enough to get by. Personally pot and lsd should be legalized.
I'm more of a pot fan though

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Originally Posted by joshisposer

You guys took what i said wrong. I said What i meant was, he said for lsd is people could commit suicide and people have done that on acid too. I never said anything about LSD kills or acid doesn't and stuff. My bro has been to jail because of drugs, i no enough to get by. Personally pot and lsd should be legalized.
I'm more of a pot fan though

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Except the point was that LSD IS acid. Acid is just slang for LSD. Also, I had missed your comment about staying awake too long. When I went to MagFest 06 I ended up staying away for about 100 hours (and my sleep prior to that had only been 4 or so hours a night for a few nights). I was hallucinating, the same way you do when you're tripping, only with the visual effects though, there was no other synthesasia (sic?).

If I was a schoolroom teacher and I said to my students "Please stay inside the classroom today," they would probaly stay inside and not go out. Now, if I said, "Don't go outside," chances are they would get curious and want to go outside. Thats pretty much how it is with most things. If the government says no, you have a greater chance of wanting it. Now, if the government said that it was a bad idea to have marijuana, but it was not illegal, you could expect that not everyone would use it, that the people who were willing to accept the risks and responsibilities of using it would use it legally, and that there would not have to be any blackmarkets or illegal selling of it. It seems that everyone would win if it was legallized as a recreational drug, and that there were still certain limitations such as driving under the influence of it.

LSD is one of the most potent drugs ever discovered, with average doses equaling 300 to 500 micrograms. That's equal to one-tenth the mass of a grain of sand, which is DAMN small.

It's also an incredibly fragile molecule. It needs to be stored in clean water (not tap, since there are contaminants in it) in the refrigerator. So it is IMPOSSIBLE for trace amounts of LSD to be able to manfest and cause a flashback, especially with the humid, warm climate of the body.

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Originally Posted by ExcruciationX

LSD is one of the most potent drugs ever discovered, with average doses equaling 300 to 500 micrograms. That's equal to one-tenth the mass of a grain of sand, which is DAMN small.

It's also an incredibly fragile molecule. It needs to be stored in clean water (not tap, since there are contaminants in it) in the refrigerator. So it is IMPOSSIBLE for trace amounts of LSD to be able to manfest and cause a flashback, especially with the humid, warm climate of the body.

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umm... the average dosage of LSD is somewhere between 100 and 200 micrograms. 300 would have been a high dose in the 70's nowadays you don't get doses anywhere near that high. Considering that you can hallucinate from as little as 25micrograms, that makes sense ;)

I believe lethal dose esttimates for LSD are around 1 gram.
Let us not forget that hemp is also illegal because of the competition it posed to synthetic fibers...
Heroin is the devil and should never be legalized,same with meth.
Have lost several friends to those two :(
Not dead but gone...spiritually.
Drugs do not necessarily enhance thought but maybe give you a different perspective which may enable abstractions which were not possible in the previous thought state.
Stay away from herion,cigs,meth,coke and excessive alchohol.LSD can be very psychologicaly unsettling but that's about the worst thing you have to face from that.
Quzar obviously knows what he is talking about,
much respect!!
Simple fact is you should be truly educated about what you put in your body EVEN FOOD!
Let food be thy medicine
Hippo

I am aquainted with molly too.
She's much cooler than me X

Don't eat pork u cannibals. It is injected with human dna!

I gave up drugs. And im better off without them.
Things have gotten so much better since i've been drug free. I can think so much more clearly now.
I look back on the person I was, And the person I am now. And only regret that I didnt quit sooner.

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Originally Posted by shadowprophet

I gave up drugs. And im better off without them.
Things have gotten so much better since i've been drug free. I can think so much more clearly now.
I look back on the person I was, And the person I am now. And only regret that I didnt quit sooner.

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Good on ya mate:thumbup:

I quit smoking weed about 4-5 weeks ago and I feel alot better and It's alot easier to save money now:).

Look if countries wanted to stop illegal drug usage of hard core illicit drugs such as heroin, Cocaine, Crack, Meth.. etc. all they have to do is make a decent percentage of the drugs "Hot" dosages.. or laced with something lethal. That way, no one "uses" that particular drug except the people that want to die. The drugs loose their "chic" image and Drug usages will plummit due to people not wanting to die on their first try. If you want proof of this theory, how come people dont eat rat poison for a high? 'nuff said.

As for my opinion on drugs: I believe it is a persons choice.. just as anything in life. But this doesnt mean that I dont want people to be educated about the real side effects of drugs. I really dont care if people smoke some pot on the side, If thats their perogative. Elaborating on one of the previous posts.. I too have lost one of my best friends spiritually from Meth and it was sad to see him go. I moved away for a few years during high school where we were best friends and now he's just an empty shell. Some could possibly say that his use of recreational drugs could have been a contributing factor just as the downfall of many of my friends that did recreational drugs in their teens and ended up moving up to more hardcore drugs. But then the argument that I used marijuana once or twice and I turned out fine for the most part could also be said.

Drugs are a money maker for both sides.. you have the dealers and pushers working their part.. and you have the government working theirs (more cops, keeps existing ones employed, social programs for rehab and politicians running campains to help stop drug usage). Both sides love their money.. and if drug usage wasnt a problem, who would be loosing more in all of this? So as far as that is concerned I dont see anything in the future to deter more people from using them other than cracked out actors making eggs showing your brain on drugs.


So.. now that i have just wrecked any future political career that I might have had. i'll let all of you flame me for being an extremist. :)

-JV

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Originally Posted by J_Villa1983

Look if countries wanted to stop illegal drug usage of hard core illicit drugs such as heroin, Cocaine, Crack, Meth.. etc. all they have to do is make a decent percentage of the drugs "Hot" dosages.. or laced with something lethal. That way, no one "uses" that particular drug except the people that want to die. The drugs loose their "chic" image and Drug usages will plummit due to people not wanting to die on their first try. If you want proof of this theory, how come people dont eat rat poison for a high? 'nuff said.

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Your point is good enough, except that that would mean the government would be supplying the drugs directly, which would be illegal. Not to mention the moral ramifications of the government saying "yea, we've poisoned 50% of it". People don't eat rat poison for a high because it doesn't get you high. A PERFECT analogy would be 'you don't see people drinking denatured alcohol'. Anything that has alcohol in it that is not meant to be consumed has poison in it to prevent people from drinking it and avoiding the extremely high vice taxes on drinking alcohol. That however is the government forcing something legal not intended for consumption to be made specifically so that people don't use it. Also, if ya'll didn't know, that's where the going blind from moonshine thing comes from, as many moonshiners in order to increase the alcohol content without the added still time would simply dump some denatured alcohol into their mash.

hold on, how many of you have actually done drugs? i certainly haven't but can tell you a resonable amount about them. thing is that if drugs were legallised, the non-using taxpayer could benefit immensely from the fact that governments could sell the drugs and tax the hell out of them. it would be so expensive that few would bother trying them and though there may be problems with old users commintting crimes to get drug money, they could be placed on a similar system that is used to gently lower their use of drugs by the usual substitutes today. the health service would have a weight off it's back, nobody would be on drugs and softer drugs like hash could be sold in a similar way to tobacco. problemsolved, or maybe not!

Done pot, salvia, hash, opium, random Rxs, and coke (once).

Pretty much all the types of pot. My favorite has to be chronic though, for it's popularity and the reasonably cheapness of price. I did do some wierd mersh once that was laced with something. Two friends and i got high off of like one hit.

holy shit, this is strange, my mother simply won't have me speaking with such ruffians, uh! seriously though the only people i know that smoke pot are either neds, pricks, or stupid girls who are basically complete whores! you are all decent people, maybe it's to do with the USA!

Pretty much my whole senior class at my HighSchool does pot. No joke, you could point out like 10-12 guys that don't. For my class (freshman), people are starting up but there is quite a few long time stoners. I don't call myself a pot head, for i don't do it habitually, i only do it ritually. I have also never smoked alone, which is another factor *for me at least* of someone being a pothead. Now, they don't have to smoke alone to be considered a pothead though, i'm just saying.

I've done marijuana (great stuff honestly) and that is it. I have used alcohol once, and that was enough, but pot is great, like joshisposer said I only smoke in a group not by myself. Sort of a mutual thing between friends.

I really haven't used any drugs.

I've used Amphetamines (speed) because some doctor thought I had ADHD (I don't). I use it once in a while to help me study (since we still have some left over).

me and my friens have never done anything, apart from one of them tried smoking tobacco whe he was like 13, and thats not exactly badass. is pot THAT good?

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Originally Posted by gdf

me and my friens have never done anything, apart from one of them tried smoking tobacco whe he was like 13, and thats not exactly badass. is pot THAT good?

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It's not as good as people make it out to be, trust me you will have fun smoking it for the first time though, especially if you do it with acouple of other first timers.

Alot of people call being stoned a high. It's not.

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I have also never smoked alone, which is another factor *for me at least* of someone being a pothead. Now, they don't have to smoke alone to be considered a pothead though, i'm just saying.

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Lol, I guess I was classed as a pothead then:o

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Originally Posted by Kramer

It's not as good as people make it out to be, trust me you will have fun smoking it for the first time though, especially if you do it with acouple of other first timers.

Alot of people call being stoned a high. It's not.

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First of all: the first time you smoke it usually doesn't have any effect.
Second of all: stoned and high are two different things. More specifically there are two different major strains of cannabis, one of which makes you mellow, relaxed, lose track of time: stoned. The other makes you hallucinate, possibly smile and laugh relatively uncontrollably, have an overall sense of well being, and be 'high'. Most people think that either of them are just terms used for being under the influence though, and wouldn't know northern lights from skunk.