V2.0 Firmware Will Never Run Homebrew !!

The internet is rife with storys at the moment, so lets begin, Sony are under pressure from the likes of Nintendo themselves to plug the gaps and stop the Piracy and more worrying for us the Emulation and homebrew scene. The new v2.0 software has plugged every gap that has been exposed by hackers and they have notched up the security even further, so for those on v1.51, v1.52 firmware and if you want to have the hope of running software you must make sure you dont upgrade.

Has Sony finally revealed their killer card, only time will tell but if you have the $$$$ you might be better off sourcing a v1.5 or indeed the fabled v1.0 psp now.

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Thank you wraggster! There are a lot of people out there that was confused about the 2.0 update. I had even heard some people say that the 2.0 could play homebrew, This was a dangerous lie that somone started, and personaly I didnt like it. Im so glad somone finely put this right on the front page to clear this up (So everbody can see!) THE PSP 2.0 UPDATE CANT PLAY HOMEBREW!!

The reason it bothered me so much was for the newer people. That could have bought into this bold faced lie and lost out on a lot. I am not a conspiracy theorist. but I almost believe this lie was seeded into the homebrew comminuty by $ony its self:mad:

Many many thanks Wraggster your da man :p

lol I have two psps so it doesn't matter for me. (One has V2 and other have V1.5.) V2 isn't that great...but if we could use Javascript. Then we can have Javascript streaming music...hmm...But the darn thing is kinda slow lol.

Although it's not offically home brew as it were. It's already becoming a substitue. They are making the games run on javascript. So they can play off line. The day a dual boot gets made : drool.

well I guess if the hackers can't find a way to have homebrew on the PSP. There is always other ways. USB or MOD Chip...

Yeah, an external upgradeable mod chip would be a big F-U to all and would be just FINE with me...I'm not spoiled, I've paid for chips in the past and I'm sure I will in the future....

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Never say Never !!!

is there any possibility that you can put the firmware 1.5 again on my jap psp? ;)

I think that it will be hacked in time. Every code is made to break.

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Originally Posted by Tetsuo

I think that it will be hacked in time. Every code is made to break.

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no one in known history has broken 128 bit AES encryption... or at least that I have heard of.

isnt the UMD games 128-bit and the iso has been copied

ho hum. Is this like when the xbox came out a few years back and microsft was bragging about an "unhackable" system?

What I don't get is WHAT is so great about the sny web browser? I mean, no java, no flash, it's not terribly fast, WTF?!^!#

I'm sure there will be a distributed crack system, a bit like SETI @ home. It'll get cracked, everything always does. All Sony are doing is reducing the appeal of this oh-so-perfect console.

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Originally Posted by 1timeuser

no one in known history has broken 128 bit AES encryption... or at least that I have heard of.

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Yeah but its just like almost every other type of hack/mod you dont break the encryption, you just go around it... it's only a matter of time... the hackers always win :D

LOL nothing is uncrackable, believe me they will crack v2.00 within the year. I'd be willing to bet hard cash on it. Maybe it will take modding the PSP but they will do it. Name a single console that has never been cracked!

Personally I would prefer a crack that allows homebrew but not pirate games, that way it would keep Sony of our backs, but I doubt it will even happen, if you can run programs off the mem card then you will be able to run pirated games off it. It's damn shame.

I think the worst thing is that fewer developers will be attracted to working on the system if they know not that many people will be able to run their work :(

Well unfortunately, this is the carrot on the stick for people. The common person would be ecstatic about these upgrades to the firmware, and think "Man! this system is even MORE kickass now!". Later they come to realize that they can't run homebrew, and Sony has disabled the ability to downgrade the firmware.

This is something I find not only very agitating, but I can't help but lose some faith in the company itself. I was truly hoping that they'd sit down and think about how genuine, benevolent homebrew would help the system more than hurt it. When I talk to people on the street with PSPs (I see some every so often), I talk to them about emulators on the system, and they usually talk about the fears of memory stick corruption and the like when dealing with homebrew. NOW, there's a very tempting official firmware that will completely cut off people who choose to upgrade. It's looking somewhat grim for the PSP homebrew scene, as it will only become harder and harder as games start to require v2.00 down the line.

But there's always the hope that SOMEONE will crack it, or SOMETHING will happen. Just think that 2 months ago, we were still waiting for the 1.0 to be cracked! Now we've got emulators for all the good old classics, and lots of other great stuff. This point also leads me to another, which is that the impending end of homebrew (at least for a while) might encourage more programmers to take up the fight against firmware. All able-minded men need enlist! We want you!

Do you think maybe sony is only pressing this issue as a means to protect its third parties,And please the other big game companys that may be breathing fire at them over this? I mean Sony its self Doesnt stand to gain much by preventing homebrew,I mean dont start shooting at me over this but sony really isnt that big of a game developer in its self Just electronics and colsoles.except for peace and tranqulity from its third party developes and compitition, How does sony personaly gain from preventing homebrew? :confused:

I will not upgrade my PSP (1.5), I want to continue playing homebrew games. It's not that I don't want to buy official games. In fact I have a few and I will continue buying them.
I'm working on a BOR mod. With 1.5 I can run it on my PSP. If I cannot run it with 2.0 then I don't want to upgrade. If the new games are released only for 2.0... Well I guess that will be it. No more purchasing games. :mad: I have other consoles I can buy games for. :p

That sucks..... that really sucks!! If its true in the long run though.

Im not a hacker/coder/whatever by any means, but I have been following Emulation and its scene for about 4 years now. And if theres Encryption, there defintiely is Decryption. What boggles me is how stern Nintendo and Sony are being at the moment: Emulation has been around for quite a while, and other consoles like the X-Box and Game Boy Advance also offer Emulation options, sometimes even better options (like X-Box's MAME and SNES 9X for example). I have also seen those Knockoff 200+ game kits in the mall selling for a platry 15 bucks, all containing pirated ROMsets (Namcot?? Conami?? PLEASE!!). Why so stringent on the PSP?? What is this console doing so differently that others have been doing for about two years?? Emulation is a way to preserve our golden gaming years, I see no harm in it at all. If the PSP was currently emulating X-Box or PS2, then I would see a problem.

The big boys should lighten up, you homebrew guys are only coding, not burning UMD's.

And I am now glad that I have 2 PSP's, Im going to be paranoid about updates on one system!!

-Saikoro

P.S. I think this is going to inspire me to learn some C+ to code my own stuff.

Unfortuantly SA1K0RO the increase in protection is probably more about the Pirated games that is now so easy to run on 1.00 and 1.50 than it is about homebrew. I'm sure they don't care that much about the homebrew scene but they want to prevent the playing of pirated games that are now all over the Bittorrent sites :(

i will never upgrade there are no good retail games worth upgrading for maybe gta but thats not intill oct 24 a long way off. and i have two 1.5 and they are both staying that way. big deal a web browser thats as slow as a snail home brew rules .the neogeo cd emu is better then any retail game metal slug 1 and 2 king of the monsters 2 baseball stars 1 and 2 kof 99.go ahead and up grade ill be playing cool games and you will be stuck surfing the net at a snails pace thats a good trade off not....................

To address why Nintendo does not want this system playing EMU/Homebrew. What are most of us Emulating? A Nintendo System. What is Nintendo getting ready to release? The Revolution which will let you Download their games from all past systems to play. They probably see the PSP Homebrew as hindering that. Can't blame them it is a logical conclusion to assume. (Why pay for a game or get a Revolution when I can just use a Portable system like the PSP, not to mention we do not know how the DS will fit in it might make it so that the DS can play the Old games the Revolution downloads we just do not know).

Personally I think the next step should be a Mod Chip, stop screwing with Sony, just mod the damn thing and be done with it.

yep :D

Very true, Cross. Very true.

I checked out one of my new favorite sites and found something on running code on psp 2.0. It has something to do with Java and the site has a download for an offline portal... will this make it possible to run emus and such on 2.0??? Or is this just a useless app?

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Originally Posted by Cross

To address why Nintendo does not want this system playing EMU/Homebrew. What are most of us Emulating? A Nintendo System. What is Nintendo getting ready to release? The Revolution which will let you Download their games from all past systems to play. They probably see the PSP Homebrew as hindering that. Can't blame them it is a logical conclusion to assume. (Why pay for a game or get a Revolution when I can just use a Portable system like the PSP, not to mention we do not know how the DS will fit in it might make it so that the DS can play the Old games the Revolution downloads we just do not know).

Personally I think the next step should be a Mod Chip, stop screwing with Sony, just mod the damn thing and be done with it.

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haha Cross you made me lose alittle respect for you for not getting info. NOT ALL PASS GAMES WILL BE FOR DOWNLOAD. Because of copyright issues. And all games have a price $3-10 or more. Depends on who made the game. ( Nintendo is also putting free "roms" in the next Rev games.)
Yes there is also some graphical improvement to some or mybe all games.( No doubt popular games will have a upgrade.) The only thing that Rev. does not have, like any other Emu we played, is....Muiltplayer over the internet with that Emu. And enable to change settings on filters... or even more!

I look forward for the rev. But not the pass games you will have access to. BESIDES The hackers will allow roms in it.

So your post Cross is invalid. ;)

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I checked out one of my new favorite sites and found something on running code on psp 2.0. It has something to do with Java and the site has a download for an offline portal... will this make it possible to run emus and such on 2.0??? Or is this just a useless app?

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I wouldn't try it

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Originally Posted by Cross

To address why Nintendo does not want this system playing EMU/Homebrew. What are most of us Emulating? A Nintendo System. What is Nintendo getting ready to release? The Revolution which will let you Download their games from all past systems to play. They probably see the PSP Homebrew as hindering that. Can't blame them it is a logical conclusion to assume. (Why pay for a game or get a Revolution when I can just use a Portable system like the PSP, not to mention we do not know how the DS will fit in it might make it so that the DS can play the Old games the Revolution downloads we just do not know).

Personally I think the next step should be a Mod Chip, stop screwing with Sony, just mod the damn thing and be done with it.

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Its the same for all the developers of those games. They don't make money off there games being circulated. They want it stopped by Sony as well. They might be trying to sell compilations of there classics while everyone is downloading them for free. bit torrents and file-sharing programs just accelerate this process. You got to understand this and not go off and say "SOny Teh meen why no likey homewbrew?!1". The answer is obvious.

update! american psps to ship version 1.5 firmware, new security update from sony blah blah blah. security opening found in 1.0 enables homebrew makers to run code. 1.5 users out of luck. it looks far and impossible for homebrew on 1.5. such and such from iknowhowtocode.com said 1.5 has this and that and to decrypt it would be hard and blah blah. BREAKING NEWS some guys in spain hacked 1.5(just by swapping memsticks). but it will be impossible to run UMD games off memory sticks, hackers would have to decrypt each file and then even if they did that...blah blah .blah blah blah. WHAT HAPPENED!!!!! this news is utter bull, you guys need to stop listening to all these people. look what everyone said wouldnt be done, and has been done already! 2.0 will be cracked in time as all the other hacks that were said to be impossible.

service pack 2 for windows was supposed to patch holes, people are still getting hacked hard. security developers are going to always think there shat is secure...its there job. with all the new features added there bound to be more holes open. and there other ways such as modchips to bypass the unbypassable cough cough XBOX. cough cough the impossible gamecube. psp was hacked 3x as fast as both those systems, which means in the future its gonna be easier. do the math, its a no braineer, not saying its a walk in the park, but niether was 1.5.

THATS WHAT SONY GETS FOR RUSHING THE PSP, version 2.0 should have shipped first with a browser, multiple image support, native codec, and wallpaper in the first place. ITs KARMA FOR THEM THAT THERE PRECIOUS LITTLE SYSTEM GOT HACKED SO FAST. sony got owned! and i just got a spiderman2 value pack brand new unopend off ebay last week, and theres plenty more...what is sony gonna do have a recall? lol, im might get another one :). lol thats what they get for trying to play god.

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Do you think maybe sony is only pressing this issue as a means to protect its third parties,And please the other big game companys that may be breathing fire at them over this? I mean Sony its self Doesnt stand to gain much by preventing homebrew,I mean dont start shooting at me over this but sony really isnt that big of a game developer in its self Just electronics and colsoles.except for peace and tranqulity from its third party developes and compitition, How does sony personaly gain from preventing homebrew? :confused:

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Sony accually looses money for every PSP made. I'd say maybe somewhere around $50-$100. They make all the money back from the games that get sold. So they can give a shit about homebrew. If people just buy the console for homebrew, they technically loose money.

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well, the problem is upgrading to 2.0 but anyone with 2 neurones will not do it, :rolleyes:

the problem starts when must have games star to "force" install firmware 2.x, cuz u know, anyone with psp must play some like gran turismo, of final fantasy(hope it will come soon :p ) and then we got a big dilemma, play a great game or... what? :confused:

i dont know if a mod chip can fix it cuz is not loading a game the problem but, maybe something like a free firmware will do it :o

any way we spect great things from the homebrewers, crakers, hackers

lets hope the scene will never end :cool: :)

Personally I like 2.0.
The other thing you got to think about is how big will the fan base be for homebrew if it only runs on 1.5? I bet all new PSPs will have 2.0!
Coders will find a hack eventually. Nobody wants to develop for only the few who are on 1.5!

Like some of you are saying, IT IS POSSIBLE TO HACK. what your not understanding is IT WOULD TAKE A VERY VERY LONG TIME TO DO SO. It would take a large cluster of computers to do it and even then it would take a while.

Also as AES enycryption is the US (and other countries?) standard of encryption, brute force methods of cracking would be instantly terminated and the groups involved could easily be arrested.

It is mostly idiotic to try, cause you see your idea of illegal is based around "warez" and your little "isoz and romz" but **** with aes and your ****ing with national security. not somthing the US takes lightly. Dont even think about down playing that idea either. The only legal method of cracking is through exploits.

So my final point, Yes, It can be done through cracking 128 bit aes but No, it will not be done through brute force cracking of 128 bit aes. The idea is most idiotic in that you think it will be done by little groups and yet banks use similare security. Crack a PSP and you are potentially cracking into a government owned banks computer systems....

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1. who are you?
2. All your info is old and Bull
3, Sony didn't rush the ****ing PSP. Nintendo Rush with there DS.

This isn't Microsoft dumb****. This is sony and they like to add crap to there consoles. And why in the world should a version 2 comeout first? Without the whole homebrew stuff going on with 1-1.5. What should they fix?? And yes you are a dumb**** when it comes to your "Oh I bRought a Psp from ebay bahha ha!11. Now noone will know I have version that can run hombrw bahaha duhh!11112" There are new games that I know you will get. And most of the new ones will force you to upgrade. So stfu.

Your a total newb that needs to go back to math.

Oh and the SP2 pack does work. But thats if you stop going to Warez and porn sites.

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We had some problems with that kid over at the psphacks.net forums so just ignore him.

I'm sure that 2.0 will be cracked, it is just a matter of time. Cracking the AES is def not the way to go about it, there are numerous other posibilities that we have to look at. There has to be something there that Sony hasnt noticed as a vulnerability, after all, code is written by humans and humans make mistakes all of the time. With the new features of 2.0 im sure there is more of a drive among hackers to crack 2.0 than there was for 1.51/1.52 given that this update actually adds something to the PSP where the others were pretty much just security updates. Also with the European release down the road you can be certain that they wont want to be stuck with their PSPs that cant run homebrew. I'm sure that a bunch of groups have already started looking at the new firmware.

There is a good chance that it could be uncrackable. The easiest way for them to do this would be to not allow for code to be run at all from anything other than the UMD. This would literally force a modchip to be able to do anything, which would seriously hinder homebrew, I mean seriously, how many of you would take apart your psp and solder something in?

It would become even harder if they make it a requirement for all new games to carry 2.0 on them and not run on 1.0/1.5+ machines.

As for something that is uncrackable. Bleemcast for the Dreamcast. UN CRACKABLE.

I wonder if Xecuters Device can roll back the firmware... Yet again, it would involve opening your psp though.

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haha Cross you made me lose alittle respect for you for not getting info. NOT ALL PASS GAMES WILL BE FOR DOWNLOAD. Because of copyright issues. And all games have a price $3-10 or more. Depends on who made the game. ( Nintendo is also putting free "roms" in the next Rev games.)
Yes there is also some graphical improvement to some or mybe all games.( No doubt popular games will have a upgrade.) The only thing that Rev. does not have, like any other Emu we played, is....Muiltplayer over the internet with that Emu. And enable to change settings on filters... or even more!

I look forward for the rev. But not the pass games you will have access to. BESIDES The hackers will allow roms in it.

So your post Cross is invalid. ;)

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From what I remember even here in this Forum (NIN REV section) the Heads of Nintendo were quoted as saying past games will be FREE (and they seemed to indicate all but as I said in that post, I doubt they will be free (atleast all of them)).

I am not sure exactly what ur saying is invalid in my post I will reread what you posted.... just a sec

Ok I said that games from ALL THE PAST SYSTEMS not ALL THE GAMES FROM ALL THE PAST SYSTEMS. So its clarified I was indicating the games for all systems from NES on will be available on the Rev. Not all games may be found but all the systems were what they claimed it would be able to play through the download feature. (Let me make sure this is clear all past nintendo systems not sure on hand helds I am not including those just home systems basically as far as I know)

Now if we are emulating those on the PSP that cuts into that market. While all EMU's do the PSP is showing that its quite popular and being able to run those systems on it takes away from some of what Nintendo no doubt considers there market and claim to fame with this new system. (Hell it mattered enough to mention at E-3 so they are proud of it). So that was my point on why Nintendo would be presenting pressure on Sony about it. Not to mention the PSP is a gaming system, while computers are different and the Dreamcast is not currenlty for sale in stores, it is sold in local stores. It is a current gen console and doing the same thing as another system just adds to features is was not intended to have. And then when you consider Nintendo is rather protective of what it considers theirs....

Not only does an NES emulator mess with their hopes for Revolution, but it kills sales of these stupid GBA-ported NES games. Who would pay $20 for the original Zelda game on GBA when they could just stick it on a PSP emulator for free?

I've said it before and I will say it again... Firmware v2.00 WILL be "cracked" (hacked exploit, whatever) eventually.
What foem it will come in is still unknown but I for one would install a mod chip in my PSP if thats what i had to do to get all the things I want. The PSP can do far too much cool stuff for the scene to die. I think (and this is only an educated guess) thqat the nbest bet would be a fake update firmware, like we fool the PSP into searching for an update in a place where a hacked firmware is and "upgrade" to the hacked firmware that allows us to do all the things we want.

It may take time but People who now have v2.00 WILL be able to run homebrew in the future, I would bet hard cash on it.

im probably gonna be flamed for sugessting this, but is it possible to "fake" signing by Sony of EBOOTs? this would permanently solve the problem of secruity increases. however, this would be illegial... mmm. that sucks.

myself, I will be getting a white PSP once i save up the money, and use that for UMDs and net browsing, and keep my 1.5 PSP for emulation and homebrew. I completely understanding why sony is getting so upset. but wouldnt it just be easier for them and us.. if they "locked" the use of UMD ISOs from being used by any program used on the memory stick? this would possibly prevent UMDs from being played on the system.

I have no doubt that 2.0 WILL be cracked. It will just take time, as with 1.5.
and if not... mod the damn thing XP. I have suadering expierence now, i'll have no problem putting in a mod chip.

And I also think that homebrewed firmware would be awesome. No secuirity, and all the things we want, that sony wont give us ^^