UnOfficial gpSP kai-1 test svn rev 3.3 - GBA Emu for PSP

[pkmaximum]

Exophase I understand completely what you are saying, but you have blown this out of proportion to the extent where you take it upon yourself to say that the PSP scene is filled with nothing but users with no common sense..... How can anyone have respect for you when you talk down to us like that. Does any real harm come to you from Takka making useless updates of your emulator? Like honestly I would rather have you not release anything and not bitch about your work being worked on by others...... To me you have no common sense of respect.

[Bobablob]

Sorry that you feel that way, Exophase. Sorry too that too many people take advantage of your availability on forums, etcetera. I have actually found some of KAI's ports to run games that for whatever reason won't run on your last release, but I agree that many of these releases seem superfluous.

[Exophase]

Exophase I understand completely what you are saying, but you have blown this out of proportion to the extent where you take it upon yourself to say that the PSP scene is filled with nothing but users with no common sense..... How can anyone have respect for you when you talk down to us like that. Does any real harm come to you from Takka making useless updates of your emulator? Like honestly I would rather have you not release anything and not bitch about your work being worked on by others...... To me you have no common sense of respect.

I never said that the PSP scene was "filled with nothing but" these kinds of people, what I said that there are too many people like that. I worded it like that for a reason, so don't take it personally unless you have a good reason to believe I am referring to you. Do you?

Do you think I'm out of line to say that there are a lot of selfish, immature brats in this community? Are you constantly IMed by people who think you're their tech support because they saw your username in a readme? Did you know that there have been people who have found my phone number and voice/txt spammed me because I didn't talk to them on AIM anymore (even though I was patient with them for months, and they just pushed and pushed too far)? Sure, it's not like everyone's like this. It might even be a minority. But look I around and what I see is an atmosphere that tolerates people like this, that doesn't really care. Maybe it's age gap, I think a lot of PSP homebrew users are young teenagers. In the GP2X scene most people are probably adults and have gotten past the stage of life where they expect everything to be provided for them on demand.

By the way, have you ever developed an emulator, or any software? I'm not dumping on you for this but listen because it's relevant. Have you watched some guy release modified versions of your code while you're in the middle of working very hard on it, to get a lot of responses like "at least this guy is releasing." I don't think you have. I have emu dev friends who understand exactly how I feel. It's one of them that alerted me about this topic, and he's probably as pissed off about Takka as I am. And it's not even his emulator.

There are PSP users like that (NO not all of them at all, I have met a ton of very decent people around here), they will praise and support something 100% so long as they think it's going to benefit them, then when they stop believing it will they'll turn on it entirely, as if devs exist solely for the purpose of catering to them. Look at what happened to zx81 with PSPVBA, look at all the people who were praising him like mad over every release because they thought it'd mean fullspeed GBA emulation, then when he cut development they all were really disappointed, with a lot of them going so far as to flame him. Hell, people have been flaming Daedalus because for some reason they expected it to be fullspeed, I hear crap about how he's had so and so long to do it. At the same time people like SHIFTY came around releasing binaries that were literally identical to Daedalus ones already out while pretending that it ran Mario 64 faster, and a ton of people believed it, and praised him for it.

Do you get what I'm saying about lack of common sense being an issue here? No it's not very nice of me to say, but it is true.

Sorry that you feel that way, Exophase. Sorry too that too many people take advantage of your availability on forums, etcetera. I have actually found some of KAI's ports to run games that for whatever reason won't run on your last release, but I agree that many of these releases seem superfluous.

Yeah, a big reason for that (his versions supporting things that 0.9 doesn't) is because he has merged in changes I've made in the GP2X version of gpSP, and in the case of FF6 has followed what I have said about it on a blog (referenced on his wiki, so he's okay with reading my blog to use what I say but still doesn't want to actually work with me). Some games were broken in 0.9 because of the new memory handlers but I fixed these bugs within a couple of weeks of releaase, and that's why they made it into the GP2X source. Him backporting my changes in another version and effectively taking credit for them is quite underhanded, IMO.

However, like I said, if you have good reason to use those versions use them. I don't expect (nor want) anyone to boycott legal software out of loyalty. What I do expect is for people to be more discerning about what they compliment and deride.

[pkmaximum]

I never said that the PSP scene was "filled with nothing but" these kinds of people, what I said that there are too many people like that. I worded it like that for a reason, so don't take it personally unless you have a good reason to believe I am referring to you. Do you?

Do you think I'm out of line to say that there are a lot of selfish, immature brats in this community? Are you constantly IMed by people who think you're their tech support because they saw your username in a readme? Did you know that there have been people who have found my phone number and voice/txt spammed me because I didn't talk to them on AIM anymore (even though I was patient with them for months, and they just pushed and pushed too far)? Sure, it's not like everyone's like this. It might even be a minority. But look I around and what I see is an atmosphere that tolerates people like this, that doesn't really care. Maybe it's age gap, I think a lot of PSP homebrew users are young teenagers. In the GP2X scene most people are probably adults and have gotten past the stage of life where they expect everything to be provided for them on demand.

By the way, have you ever developed an emulator, or any software? I'm not dumping on you for this but listen because it's relevant. Have you watched some guy release modified versions of your code while you're in the middle of working very hard on it, to get a lot of responses like "at least this guy is releasing." I don't think you have. I have emu dev friends who understand exactly how I feel. It's one of them that alerted me about this topic, and he's probably as pissed off about Takka as I am. And it's not even his emulator.

There are PSP users like that (NO not all of them at all, I have met a ton of very decent people around here), they will praise and support something 100% so long as they think it's going to benefit them, then when they stop believing it will they'll turn on it entirely, as if devs exist solely for the purpose of catering to them. Look at what happened to zx81 with PSPVBA, look at all the people who were praising him like mad over every release because they thought it'd mean fullspeed GBA emulation, then when he cut development they all were really disappointed, with a lot of them going so far as to flame him. Hell, people have been flaming Daedalus because for some reason they expected it to be fullspeed, I hear crap about how he's had so and so long to do it. At the same time people like SHIFTY came around releasing binaries that were literally identical to Daedalus ones already out while pretending that it ran Mario 64 faster, and a ton of people believed it, and praised him for it.

Do you get what I'm saying about lack of common sense being an issue here? No it's not very nice of me to say, but it is true.



Yeah, a big reason for that (his versions supporting things that 0.9 doesn't) is because he has merged in changes I've made in the GP2X version of gpSP, and in the case of FF6 has followed what I have said about it on a blog (referenced on his wiki, so he's okay with reading my blog to use what I say but still doesn't want to actually work with me). Some games were broken in 0.9 because of the new memory handlers but I fixed these bugs within a couple of weeks of releaase, and that's why they made it into the GP2X source. Him backporting my changes in another version and effectively taking credit for them is quite underhanded, IMO.

However, like I said, if you have good reason to use those versions use them. I don't expect (nor want) anyone to boycott legal software out of loyalty. What I do expect is for people to be more discerning about what they compliment and deride.

After reading that I have a stronger grasp on what you are trying to say. I suppose I interpreted to much that you were trying to flame the PSP users out there over the Kai release. I'm sorry to hear that so many psp users have spammed you in the past (probably still doing it). It sux but this whole emulation world is full of the give me give me people. As far as ZX81 and VBA.... Well it sux but its hard to support something so much when something else comes out that is at a level wear VBA just couldn't ever reach. But I think ZX81 knew that at the same time. People definetly do suck some times. I still can't agree with you that to much of a majority of the PSP scene lacks common sense, but you are very right that there is a good majority that does. That is because sadly the majority like you said are people mainly just in High School. Where they think any coders work is for the soul purpose of their benefit.

Sorry for lashing out at you I should have tried to listen a bit more clearly to what you were saying instead of only analyzing that one comment about common sense. I really do look forward to releases of the GBA hopefully officially by you.

BTW to the coding software thing, you are right I don't code anything legit for the most part. I have made a few things in Visual Basic, but thats it. Hopefully you will release some of your updates on your emulator though cause everyone appreciates updates for the most part no matter how small. Especially cause I guess it just lets people know your still working hard on the emu. But thats your choice.

I suppose your right I truthfully believed he was on the verge of ad hoc, I'm not a coder that can really defer the difference after all.

I wish you the best of luck Exophase, and I hope the GP2X scene makes you happier than the PSP scene then.....

[bah]

Whatever you release will be appreciated by anyone with respect for the effort it's taken. Ive got a cpl mates with GP2Xs and I know they would appreciate another great coder in their scene.
There certainly are less immature whiners on gp2x forums, largely I guess because there's no commercial games to download for that platform. It seems many young'uns expect not just their homebrew but also their new commercial games for free (and right now). Even then they'll probably get comments like 'not worth downloading the ISO'.

I think most are decent ppl, it's just a vocal (wanker) minority.

F#*k what the expectant pissants waffle on about.
Easier said than done I know.

It's like scientology, you can get pissed that they have tax free status and are allowed to prey on people, or just sit back and just laugh at the morons and their meaningless dribble.

[matsuura]

I'm not "exophrase" or "expose", I swear if you can't even get that right...

You can all argue about whether or not you should download this on principle, I really don't care, if software is worth using then use it.

But somehow no one ever really stops to actually consider what these releases do, probably because people usually don't even know. Seems to me that this is completely useless, and it's probably just out there to hype link emulation he doesn't have and hasn't actually moved any closer to implementing. What good is it going to do to have some test running on your PSP that fills your memstick full of logs when it doesn't actually do anything useful? Someone please explain this to me...

People see this stuff and are like OMG ADHOC SUPPORT IS COMING! Even though he's been pushing it for several months, you're just falling for pointless hype...

I wouldn't mind these kinds of releases if they actually served a purpose but they don't, but go ahead and praise him for "working hard", afterall he's releasing SOMETHING that you guys can see and I'm not and that's all that matters right?

There's lots I could have done for gpSP, and some I did do since 0.9, but I'm working on another emulator for now... and I'm tired of developing something for PSP users because too many of them don't have common sense and are total parasites. It's probably a lot easier being Takka because he didn't give out his AIM SN and he doesn't post on boards like this so he isn't bothered by annoying newbs every day asking how to install custom firmwares and run BIOSes and read readmes God knows what else.

Yeah I know I'm gonna get flamed for all of this but seriously try to take in what I'm saying. There's a difference between adding little things and making a releases whenever you feel like it and getting everyone to support you when they don't even understand what your changelog says, and actually dedicated work to making it much better.

But if I was working hard it'd still take me a long time because I've long since been done with the "easy" part of GBA emulation. The optimizations I have in mind are very serious endeavors. So I wouldn't be releasing frequently (I never have, because I believe in quality over quantity), and therefore according to maxipower Takka would still be "the better guy."

**** that.

I don't expect very many of you to really understand.

I'll still be working on my PC-Engine emulator, for a worse platform but a much better scene. I'll probably return to gpSP one day, despite how much its been dragged through the mud.

You know, I appreciate your work. Unlike most people who decide to rock out homebrew and well, anything really, who cannot sit to think, "Hey, although this program clearly is beta or still in it's development stage, I think I'll bitch and complain about how much it does not do what it's suppose to do.. Not to add, It's not done yet! YAY! " Example, linux... soo many crappy distributions out now because of that reason. Another, the whole, "Well, since I cannot get progressive mode to work on my sdtv, why even get the slim(or I should return mines, stupid p.o.s)" Things of the like.

Now, I don't really expect anything I said to be taken seriously by the mass audience for the reasons you've already spoken of. But something that should be kept in mind, if you have a job, you pay rent, basically, you are not going to sit there and pump $#@! out of no where and make a super final release that has every feature you can possibly want. That's stupid and unrealistic. Unfortunately, These types of people do not understand the amount of time and well, varying perfection put into the brew. It is because a lot of these people, who completely induce piracy and share amongst their fellow nooblet community, how leet they are by sending them links, advertising people $#@! and selling it, changing pictures to give themselves credit for other people work, etc. It's lame.

A potential to do what you want to your own product made by another company is a great thing. I guess I just don't understand why people bitch and moan about how something doesn't work right for them. If it wasn't for these rad programmers/hackers(by definition that actual fits... :-\) This stuff would not be here. I'm not saying anything negative to you exophase, or to anyone, I'm merely emphasizing how much of a lack of appreciation there is for an open world.
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[calvinbui]

PUFF PUFF What did i miss?

[John Vattic]

I'm not "exophrase" or "expose", I swear if you can't even get that right...

You can all argue about whether or not you should download this on principle, I really don't care, if software is worth using then use it.

But somehow no one ever really stops to actually consider what these releases do, probably because people usually don't even know. Seems to me that this is completely useless, and it's probably just out there to hype link emulation he doesn't have and hasn't actually moved any closer to implementing. What good is it going to do to have some test running on your PSP that fills your memstick full of logs when it doesn't actually do anything useful? Someone please explain this to me...

People see this stuff and are like OMG ADHOC SUPPORT IS COMING! Even though he's been pushing it for several months, you're just falling for pointless hype...

I wouldn't mind these kinds of releases if they actually served a purpose but they don't, but go ahead and praise him for "working hard", afterall he's releasing SOMETHING that you guys can see and I'm not and that's all that matters right?

There's lots I could have done for gpSP, and some I did do since 0.9, but I'm working on another emulator for now... and I'm tired of developing something for PSP users because too many of them don't have common sense and are total parasites. It's probably a lot easier being Takka because he didn't give out his AIM SN and he doesn't post on boards like this so he isn't bothered by annoying newbs every day asking how to install custom firmwares and run BIOSes and read readmes God knows what else.

Yeah I know I'm gonna get flamed for all of this but seriously try to take in what I'm saying. There's a difference between adding little things and making a releases whenever you feel like it and getting everyone to support you when they don't even understand what your changelog says, and actually dedicated work to making it much better.

But if I was working hard it'd still take me a long time because I've long since been done with the "easy" part of GBA emulation. The optimizations I have in mind are very serious endeavors. So I wouldn't be releasing frequently (I never have, because I believe in quality over quantity), and therefore according to maxipower Takka would still be "the better guy."

**** that.

I don't expect very many of you to really understand.

I'll still be working on my PC-Engine emulator, for a worse platform but a much better scene. I'll probably return to gpSP one day, despite how much its been dragged through the mud.

Dang man how about Emophase? Everyone in the world knows it's your emu.
nothing wrong with people clinging to hope for fullscreen composite out for slim, or adhoc support for silm/phat.

And i do understand that it's your work as does Taka, as it's "UO gpsp". UO = UnOfficial in case someone didn't know.

P.S. I used to spin at Bloomington parties and you people party hard! Like every other house there has 100 or so people partying. !rock on!

[Baboon]

Fair Play Exophase. I hope you do come back to the psp scene at some point though.

I'll still be working on my PC-Engine emulator, for a worse platform but a much better scene.

Ahh bugger... I'm sure a PC-Engine from yourself would rock too, just a shame the PSP scene won't ever see now due to all the whingers and moaners. The PC Engine is the one machine that seems neglegted on the PSP.

[No_one_in_particular]

Yeh it's a crying shame, all these gimmegimmegimme nobheads are enough to piss the most patient of people off. Reading that, I can fully understand your feelings on your emu and Takka's releases, without being a developer. As most have said, I hope you do return, your emu is fantastic and one of my most-used apps. Apart from that, all I can say is don't let the bastards grind you down !