What does everyone here think about recreational drug use?

[quzar]

I remember reading somewhere that Marjiuana increases thought processes. I think it was on wikipedia, let me go check.

Ask Shadowprophet, he's used the stuff, so he would know.

[EDIT] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_...ts_of_cannabis

I fail to see where that says it increases thought processes (or more to the point makes you think more/better). in fact :

Some of the effects of marijuana use include increased heart rate, dryness of the mouth, reddening of the eyes (congestion of the conjunctival blood vessels), a reduction in intra-ocular pressure, mild impairment of motor skills and concentration, and increased hunger.

Now, when you're on it of course, you think you're thinking more clearly than ever before. I know I've tried programming on it before and wrote like 3x as much code as I normally can in the same time frame. Next morning I looked at it and it was of course buggy as hell, but it got written nonetheless.

I'm not saying that it's bad for you, but just that it is simply something for recreation (other than of course the pain dulling, which however can be done much better by standard pain medications for most types of pain) and not something that's gonna make you think better (unless you're discussing creativity which is something completely different).

[joshisposer]

If you search the page for "brain" it has some stuff on how it does improve it. I didn't read up on it too much so i could have missed a couple words here and there.

[SSaxdude]

I'm a HUGE supporter or legalizing ALL drugs.

Although the hard drugs (heroin, cocaine, LSD, ecstacy) do kill people (about 26,000 a year in the US which is about 1% of all deaths and this is drug induced deaths) making them illegal won't stop people from using them. I think legalizing hard drugs but making them much less pure (heroin is almost 100% pure these days) and having other restrictions on them is ok.

As for marijuana, I REALLY cannot see how it is still illegal. Weed has NEVER killed one single person in all history. Alcohol is technically worse for you than weed because it can kill you plus it actually causes brain damage. Yes, I have smoked marijuana before.

But in general, making drugs illegal creates more problems. First is that a black market is created, and drug dealers become rich off of it. People will never stop using drugs, the government should have learned this already. This is the same reason why alcohol prohibition didn't work.

Penn and Teller basically summed up the whole joke that is the war on drugs on the episode "War on Drugs," look for it it's very interesting.

But most importantly, there's something called freedom, and freedom means I can do whatever I want provided I don't hurt others or infringe on other people's freedom.

[Yobumtin]

LSD has never killed anyone besides suicides and stuff like that. I support legalization of marijuana. I always find it makes me think positively and creatively. Alcohol's great but it makes you make an ass out of your self. And you'll probably get more violent. Marijuana makes you less violent.

[joshisposer]

LSD has never killed anyone besides suicides and stuff like that.

Yeah, ummm, that's not good. You could almost say that about acid too.

Anywho, we should create a petition to legalize marijuana but put an age limit of like 15/16 on it. Don't have the government control the creation of it though, for they will ruin it and try to make a lot of money on it. I mean, look at cigarettes, they killed those and people. Maybe, just make it legal but keep it where people still buy it off the streets and stuff.

[quzar]

Yeah, ummm, that's not good. You could almost say that about acid too.

You have just relvealed that you don't know anything about any of this. Thanks for the heads up.

The article does summarize a bunch of different interactions marijuana has with the brain, but none of them are specifically positive in the sense that they increase your functionality.


SSa: I don't know how you'd like to classify "hard drugs" but you seem to have an odd very personalized way to go about it. USUALLY LSD and x are not considered hard drugs, as they are not addictive, nor is it extremely easy to OD on. Now, if you want to classify them by their affect on a person, LSD would be on the list, and X would be off. I personally tend to set the list into "permanent detrimental effects" and "no known permanent effects" in which case heroin, cocaine, and x are in the first category and pot, lsd, opium, and most phenethyls are in the latter.

If you do some research, you'll see that there are two sets of reasons marijuana is illegal. The first was it's original banning which happened near the beginning of the 20th century with basically one guy who tried to get it gone and used extremely rascist and religious reasons to do so. Then when the laws banning it were overturned in the 60s, and it was legal for a few years, it was put back into the illegal category because: 1) it was illegal for so long that it was associated with illegal behavoir, and had lots of negative public image 2) it was favored by people who opposed governmental policy (hippies!) and provided a good way to crack down on them.

[SSaxdude]

SSa: I don't know how you'd like to classify "hard drugs"

I'm referring to the drugs which you can overdose on. Marijuana obviously isn't one.

Anywho, we should create a petition to legalize marijuana but put an age limit of like 15/16 on it. Don't have the government control the creation of it though, for they will ruin it and try to make a lot of money on it. I mean, look at cigarettes, they killed those and people. Maybe, just make it legal but keep it where people still buy it off the streets and stuff.

There was an effort in Nevada to legalize up to one ounce of marijuana for people 21 and older. Under the plan, there would also be stricter penalties for people driving under the influence of it and people who sold it to minors. There would also be a tax placed on it.

The measure failed, partly due to the drug czar going to Nevada using OUR tax money to pay off organizations to agree with him.

Here's some interesting videos on marijuana: http://youtube.com/watch?v=CfcRyruo91Y
http://youtube.com/watch?v=oTIItJA64Nc
http://youtube.com/watch?v=yj72e5q61Fs

[ExcruciationX]

Yeah, ummm, that's not good. You could almost say that about acid too.

You obviously are not good in this subject. I'm not holding my silence any longer...

It is IMPOSSIBLE to over-dose on LSD (to the best of my knowledge).

It is not physically addictive, but you do gain tolerance to it. Just don't use it for a few days and you will be back to normal.

There are really no health risks from using it or any long term effects except a slight chance of developing pychosis, and flashbacks (both are rare).

A flashback is where someone experiences LSD like effects days, months, even years, after the drug has long been consumed and worn off.

Also, it is currently un-known if LSD causes pychosis in pre-disposed individuals or if it would have manfested otherwise, or if a certain gene difference causes it (thank's to the damn government making it "Class A").

[quzar]

I'm referring to the drugs which you can overdose on. Marijuana obviously isn't one.

the LD50 of LSD is ridiculously high. There is only one documented case of something that MAY have been a death caused by overdose, in which someone injected themselves with 1/3 a gram of LSD. To put that into perspective, the standard dosage is measured in micrograms. This was like 3000x a high dose at once. This would put it up there with the LD50 of marijuana which would require a person to injest more than their body weight in plant in one sitting.

EDIT: didn't see EX's response. To add to it, a flashback is NOT a result of small amounts of lsd staying in your system and re-introducing themselves. What it is is that while you are on the substance, and your brain is muddling all your sensory inputs, it is learning to interpret things in certain ways (similarly to how when you taste something for the first time, it gets registered into your brain and remembered for the next time you think of the thing and wonder about it's taste). A flashback happens when at some later date, your brain accesses memories or thought patterns that were formed while you were on the substance, causing you to interpret things the way you would while on it.

[joshisposer]

You guys took what i said wrong. I said

could almost

What i meant was, he said for lsd is people could commit suicide and people have done that on acid too. I never said anything about LSD kills or acid doesn't and stuff. My bro has been to jail because of drugs, i no enough to get by. Personally pot and lsd should be legalized.
I'm more of a pot fan though