Dirty Tactics ahoy

[brakken]

I find nothing wrong with developers being paid to either develop exclusive applications for a website or to release their work on a website.

What I find wrong is the fact that this certain website "M" participates in dubious tactics including plagiarism, not citing sources, excluding competitors releases from their news, promoting only their affiliates products while bashing others even if they are superior and their overall censorship of their forums.

So if you're associated with these type of operations you're not better then them. If you're telling yourself otherwise you're just in denial.

http://www.tehskeen.com/comments.php...a2b5479f133f6b

[3.40.Newbie]

I find nothing wrong with developers being paid to either develop exclusive applications for a website or to release their work on a website.

What I find wrong is the fact that this certain website "M" participates in dubious tactics including plagiarism, not citing sources, excluding competitors releases from their news, promoting only their affiliates products while bashing others even if they are superior and their overall censorship of their forums.

Now your are just trying to start a mud slinging competition.

This thread is to discuss the ethics of paying developers, if you have other issues maybe you should start a separate thread...

[Fanjita]

Whine whine whine. Doesn't it get old? My personal opinion is that the constant inter-site griping is far more damaging.

3.40.Newbie has done a great job of making almost all the points I wanted to make. There really is nothing odd, unusual or unfair about this.

Something that I would consider a dirty trick is the behaviour that various sites (including this) have shown, when failing to respect coders' requests for exclusivity of release (which generally just means asking that the download is hosted in just one place).

While I'm on a rant, it's probably worth questioning the ever-present "we're not about the money" claim here. How else do you explain the frequent front-paged affiliate ad-articles, and the digg-whoring?

To be fair, the digging has got better, but see the latest M33 firmware news for a sleazy example. Claiming that your digg is good because it includes a link to the original article is missing the point - if your article is fundamentally a simple cut and paste of the original post, then starting a new digg is simply robbing the original site of traffic, purely so that you can get more hits = more $$$. Why not post and publicise a digg for the original site? That to me would show much more clearly a genuine desire to help the scene in preference to helping your wallet.

For the record, I've been accused of site bias in the past, but these days I have no particular preference - all the sites have their flaws. But I will tend to stay away from the ones that carp ceaselessly about the others - it's just a waste of my time, and kills my buzz. I can't be the only one.

[brakken]

For the record, I've been accused of site bias in the past, but these days I have no particular preference - all the sites have their flaws. But I will tend to stay away from the ones that carp ceaselessly about the others - it's just a waste of my time, and kills my buzz. I can't be the only one.

People who post about not caring about drama care more then they tend to think. How is the mess about your leak of the Pandora going? I've narrowed it down to one of your group members

@ 3.40.Newbie

You couldn't be more wrong. The ethics involved directly relate to the "M" website in question. Their tactics are condoned by the coders that join them. I don't see a problem with a coder being paid for his services, but associating with s$#@! makes it a problem.

[brakken]

Something that I would consider a dirty trick is the behaviour that various sites (including this) have shown, when failing to respect coders' requests for exclusivity of release (which generally just means asking that the download is hosted in just one place).

Depending on the license the software is released under the author might not have a right to say where it can be released at. Although, honoring a request due to respect would be not out of the question. Both sides of that argument.

[3.40.Newbie]

You couldn't be more wrong. The ethics involved directly relate to the "M" website in question. Their tactics are condoned by the coders that join them. I don't see a problem with a coder being paid for his services, but associating with s$#@! makes it a problem.

Again more mud slinging, I don't know what these guys have done to you to get your feathers so ruffled. But I am sure they could start a thread on their site about how things here are.

Sites who do these actions will not be linked to from DCEmu and banned permanently.

Seeing that wraggster seems to be claiming the moral high ground does this mean that if a piece of code is released by a coder that is part of the M crew then it will not be mentioned/linked on this site. Directly after this thread was start wraggster lifted news about the latest M33 firmware from the same site he is bagging. You can't slam it then lift news from it.

But then again look at how many hits that thread has gotten, does this mean the site will be banned unless you reckon there is good $ to be made from hits about big news from it?

[Cap'n 1time]

Fanjita makes some fair points. If it were up to me, We wouldnt be digg whoring (though, on occasion things are worthy of being digged (dugg?)) and the ads on the front page make the throw up.

Still, requesting developers join another network for a small sum of money is a pretty asshole-ish thing to do. Running this thing like a business is pretty damn wrong in my opinion. If you havnt provided some sort of service then why should you be paid?

We all know wraggster has a few screws loose, and he seems to think he has us (his staff and admins) wrapped around his finger, but we love the bastard anyway. He actually does post more news and write more news than most people (that I've ever heard of) who arnt selling something. He deserves to make a little bit of cash for his effort in my opinion. Now, when some lard ass bribes some coders with a few bucks in hopes of getting a few more hits to his ad infested site and or forums (see qj for an example of this) that is terrible.

Still, we need to make quite a few changes.

[StoneCut]

Sorry, I don't have much to say other than that I find the current ad banner on this forum amusing in this thread context ...

[dcemusuckballs]

1. You have no evidence, apart from Brakkens creative writing website which will soon be renamed the "Im teh jealous of ********** site". Which makes up many lies and then says "well at least im man enough to admit im wrong". Just dont make up lies in the first place!

2. Hummkuvala booster and drak alex have all used ********** as their home since the begining, you never even used to report on custom firmware or loaders and now because they bring in more traffic you now post it.

3.You have lots of ads and ive even see you post your affiliate link to buy pspslim from success HK on **********s psp hacking item diggs.

4. ********** from what i can see never get involved in what you believe are scene politics, so they are purely your creaton. The only way there can be scene politics are with ridiculous lies such as these.

5. In any case even if what you say was true, its good for the scene and bad for mc because everyone gets the release anyway and can access it at the same time. They are not preventing it from being distributed by anybody.

[ExcruciationX]

I remember when the South Park script was leaked, and I had to go to Qj.net to tell them sorry. They were not the image I had in mind. They were nice, and very comical about the script.

I think DCEmu can't be any different then other homebrew sites honestly, but it has a thriving community (which is the only reason I'm on here).

I might join...

...just to piss people off.