...ISO questions...

[Cap'n 1time]

Here is a question that I have: is it illigal to rip your own ISOs and use them for yourself and for yourself only? I mean, you own the disc and the data that is on it, right?

I think that the answere to that varys from region to region. In america it may very well become illegal (if it isnt already).

[Kaiser]

I think that the answere to that varys from region to region. In america it may very well become illegal (if it isnt already).

It is legal (In Canada and the U.S.A at least) but the fact such a law exists gives emulation newbs the wrong impression. They think that means if they own the game they can indeed download a copy of it off the internet. Most people don't understand that the copy they're downloading is not the their game but someones else. Britain has much more strict software laws and I'm almost completely sure that is illegal there. Becoming illegal here would be a tough process as people tend to defend it as something more of a right then a privilege.

[Xan]

Here is a question that I have: is it illigal to rip your own ISOs and use them for yourself and for yourself only? I mean, you own the disc and the data that is on it, right?

Its called "Fair Use Law".
When you bought the umd , you got rights to use that program.
You can backup it , put on your pc hhd for safe keeping.
Same with music , if you have CD you can rip it and put mp3`s to your psp/pc.Its leggal from the simple fact that you own CD and the data on it.
Puting them on kazza/ftp/other is considered as piracy.
Fair use laws have thier limits , very often ppl think that they can make numerous copies of game and sell them or some pirates sell on interenet auctions "a backup copy for someone who has allredy a game" and think they are legal and ect , whereas still they sell pirated stuff.
@Kaiser EU has kinda wierd laws , but Fair Use Law is accepted in union too , its your data , you have right to backup them , but YOU and only YOU can use them.

[michael jackson]

i'm sorry but the irony in the whole .iso discussion ban is pretty pathetic

1timeuser locked some guys thread saying iso discussion is prohibited because it is information that CAN be used for illegal activities

ummm.... am i the only person who plays real video games on my snes emulator?

/sarcasm off i dont know ANYONE who plays homebrew on emulators

dcemu links downloads to emus.... guys dont lie very few ppl dl these with intent to play legal copies or homebrew...

even coders dont buy snes sega or japanese only rpgs to play translated versions (star ocean ff's etc etc)

i know its just a precaution cus sony would sue dcemus ass if iso discussion was allowed

im just saying its pretty funny the hipocracy >.>

btw dont take it like im putting anyone down 1timeuser just had a post that was useable and im just saying this cuz i'm known as captain obvious to my friends

i love dcemu the last thing i want is psp piracy or the scene to die

/end unneccisary post

[dtale15]

still is

[Kaiser]

i'm sorry but the irony in the whole .iso discussion ban is pretty pathetic

1timeuser locked some guys thread saying iso discussion is prohibited because it is information that CAN be used for illegal activities

ummm.... am i the only person who plays real video games on my snes emulator?

/sarcasm off i dont know ANYONE who plays homebrew on emulators

dcemu links downloads to emus.... guys dont lie very few ppl dl these with intent to play legal copies or homebrew...

even coders dont buy snes sega or japanese only rpgs to play translated versions (star ocean ff's etc etc)

i know its just a precaution cus sony would sue dcemus ass if iso discussion was allowed

im just saying its pretty funny the hipocracy >.>

btw dont take it like im putting anyone down 1timeuser just had a post that was useable and im just saying this cuz i'm known as captain obvious to my friends

i love dcemu the last thing i want is psp piracy or the scene to die

/end unneccisary post

Yes but discussion and creation of emulators is not illegal or banned by dcemu. While the roms we all play are illegal no one discuss' them here so all is good. Most people have an unspoken understandement on that issue, as most of those games are really old and its not like these long dead consoles are suffering from the downloading of these roms. At the same time downloading ISO's is morally wrong and can not be justified in such a way as a Genesis or Snes rom. More importantly it makes the PSP suffer which no one wants to see.

What it comes down to is a mixture of law and morals

While loaders are not illegal as far as I know. I do know wraggster has the moral belief, as do many people on this site, that having them on this site only encourages the developers of pirates. Which as I said in turn affects our beloved PSP. Get my drift? I explained it as best I could.

[Cap'n 1time]

iso's = morally wrong, and loss of money
old roms = morally wrong, but no loss of money for the company

Also if I see links to rom sites I'd lock them too. It isnt ok to post any kind of warezy material. So you see Captain Obviouse, this has already been thought out. As pathetic as it may seem to you, the staff has already decided this was the best way to run things (im not trying to be mean, im just making a statment). There are lots of things to concider but mostly what kaiser said.

[Heran_Bago]

Cept that companies still release old games. You know, Namco Museams, Sonic Mega Collections.

ISO discussion isn't illegal. Explaining the techniques of piracy isn't illegal. The actual act is. Posting links to ISOs is.
Yes, emulation is illegal if done for more than a certain period of time when you don't own the game. so? Do people care?

What do I do about the the rediculous ban on piracy discussion? Just leave to board, and go to ones that have more sense untill this one realizes that backing up a commercial game isn't entirely bad.

Piracy on the PSP isn't much of a problem though, because despite how easy it can be, there is a lack of good games commercial games for the system. Yes, I know, there are a couple good ones, but it certainly can't match the library of a handheld made by, you know, NINTENDO. Know they should be worried about piracy, as they crank out system with horrid specs that are better for more than just homebrew.

[Cap'n 1time]

Cept that companies still release old games. You know, Namco Museams, Sonic Mega Collections.

ISO discussion isn't illegal. Explaining the techniques of piracy isn't illegal. The actual act is. Posting links to ISOs is.
Yes, emulation is illegal if done for more than a certain period of time when you don't own the game. so? Do people care?

What do I do about the the rediculous ban on piracy discussion? Just leave to board, and go to ones that have more sense untill this one realizes that backing up a commercial game isn't entirely bad.

Piracy on the PSP isn't much of a problem though, because despite how easy it can be, there is a lack of good games commercial games for the system. Yes, I know, there are a couple good ones, but it certainly can't match the library of a handheld made by, you know, NINTENDO. Know they should be worried about piracy, as they crank out system with horrid specs that are better for more than just homebrew.

when you have a gigantic network like wraggsters and a huge paranoid company like sony it isnt wise to discuss illegal things. thats how sites get shut down. Remember supernova? of course that was on a much greater scale, but it was the same thing. your free to go to your underground "warez & romz dudez!" sites but here you will keep your mouth shut about them. No one is forcing anyone to be here. If you cant respect our rules then dont sign up. simple as that.

there are other reasons that we cant and wont try to explain to you for not doing it... if you arnt mature enough to understand it... well thats your beef.

and notice im kind enough to keep this topic open. i figure everyone needs one place to bitch about somthing, its healthy. just try to keep it clean and as always warez free.

[Heran_Bago]

when you have a gigantic network like wraggsters and a huge paranoid company like sony it isnt wise to discuss illegal things. thats how sites get shut down.

But you didn't at all address that discussing it alone is legal. The entire process is legal up until the online distribution. It's legal to describe backing up, modifying, and playing games. It's illegal to talk about how to make it so thousands of people can download it.

Remember supernova? of course that was on a much greater scale, but it was the same thing.

Same thing? except how you know, suprnova took the tracker down themselfs, and weren't shut down by any company. After that they got ambitios and started a P2P program which failed because no one liked it. Suprnova never fell under any corporate pressure.

your free to go to your underground "warez & romz dudez!" sites but here you will keep your mouth shut about them.

Once again, you fail to distinguish between legal backups and illegal ones. I don't WANT to discuss piracy at fine boards such as this, ISO discussion can easily be moderated to be kept clean and legal.

there are other reasons that we cant and wont try to explain to you for not doing it... if you arnt mature enough to understand it... well thats your beef

You can't come up with a good reason, and you won't try to rationalize your decision. That somehow makes me immature. Grow up. =P

and notice im kind enough to keep this topic open

Thanks, this is nice of you. And it's only natural to leave this pinned topic open when ya don't close the 50 that ask "can I play emulators on my firmware" from people who don't read pinned topics.