Quake 2 Wip News

[ajsblingbling]

just to add i think shapyi pretty much
sumed up what i meant to say...
so thinks shapyi lol..that was much clearer
with a lot less anger lol

[ajsblingbling]

yes yes i know i rant i rant...
what about the gameboy advance
psp homebrew emulator?, how is that
better then a iso loader?.
it lets you play pirated games for a
system that is still out in the market
and is still making money selling
software..you know nintendo is loseing
money from the gba emulator's out there..
now why is that ok for this website
but an iso loader isint?
in reality they are the same thing..
and i for one will honestly say that
once the gameboy advance
emulator and the snes emulator
for psp gets up to full speed..
i probable will play them both to
death...and so will other people...
but what thats ok because its
"emulation"?
ya bull @$#%.....

once again im not atacking
anyone here...just trying to
make a point...

[bob_nugget]

A) McZonk said he will release the source. So that's the end of that GPL crap thing

...

I love when programmers put their own $#@! into the programs. I've been supporting it since day 1 of this scene with everything I worked on.
We friggin' make the programs... you wanna use them? You agree to our License Agreement.

The same way you agree to any other company/person's when you hit "OK" on an install screen.

Yeah - if he used the GNU Public Licence (GPL) source, this kind of licensing is the problem. His app doesn't have the GPL with it. Having the GPL with derivative works is a term of the GPL. So he's breaking the license by distributing it, and it is warez, even if the source is available. So it isn't the end of it! McZonk could find himself in deep trouble with id Software for his distribution. He probably won't cos (I think) they are fairly decent for a major games company (they release the source to their games!).

My point with the GNU stuff is, it's funny seeing anti-warez protection... in what's technically warez .

Anyway, back on topic (although I think people will remember this version for the wrong reasons). The new version looks great! (I've loaded it now). Awesome work! When the full Quake ][ works (with networking!), it's going to cost me a lot more than a commercial game to get a 2gig memory stick and fit all the mods on! Sony won't like this much - they won't be getting much of a cut, and nor will the paid up developers. Oh well.

[J sims]

Am I the only one here that knows 60 seconds with fileasistant equals quake 2 and iso folders on the same card.

[soatari]

I realize that most of the ISO runners out there are pirating, but there are truly good reasons for it (running ISOs, not pirating). Play Midnight Club 3 on UMD, then play it from ISO. BIG BIG BIG difference in loading time (waiting 5 minutes to load a race is retarded). That and if you run at 222mhz (standard PSP speed) your battery life is increased.

Now you can speak out about how "all those n00bs are ****ing up the industry* and other immature ranting and language, or you can just accept it the way it is. Some people do it legally as they are allowed to (read up on it, they are indeed entitled to make a backup copy) and some people just pirate. Don't go condemning the whole crowd when not all of them are doing bad.

[Vancougar]

Hey, McZonk is an awesome developer and he's very entitled to his strong opinions over what is going on with the scene. I feel he had every right to let us know what he felt about the whole ISO thing. It's not like he's blocking out homebrews, he's just blocking a form of backup that is being misused to facilitate the piracy that's killing this scene. What McZonk did came out of alot of respect to companies that may be getting short changed by all the freeloaders out there. He's done a tremendous job with Quake 2 and he's made a difference here one way or another.
Besides, to all the ISO people (who use it to freeload and not back up; really what isos should be used for), why not take the money you could have spent on that game you ripped and buy a new memory stick to run it on.
As for the emulation deal, I know if we could buy those games we would; but we can't so what choice do we have? If developers are concerned with people grabbing their games online and not getting any money for it; i have an idea, re-release your games on a current-gen system. Then you can get us all to buy the game again with extra bells and whistles and make all that money all over again. Gameboy Advance emulation, however is where i draw the line because it's like a 5 yr old system and you can still buy those games with little to no problem whatsoever. It's cool that we have an emulator to show that a PSP can run GBA games but it wouldn't be cool to see people abuse that emulator to play alot of $#@! for free.

[Topknot]

End of the day, its not about if its better playing your backups from mem stick, thats not the argument here.. the guy didnt want to be seen to advocate it. You wanna stop turning the thread into an argument over loading times and overclocking cpu's. End of the day, all you people who legally use backups MUST realise that for every 1 person legally backing games up theres probably 10 times that not paying for those backups? regardless of how well Wipeout runs from memory stick, surely you can see that? I'd stop taking it as a personal insult guys...

Besides hes got a right to do what he wants with his work, its hard work making a program, especially when 70% of sceners are ungratefull whining gash sacks demanding everything thats not available at launch, and moaning when they dont get it right away for free.

[snkrock25]

Rock's 2 Scents:

1. Since when is me having a ISO folder on MY psp any of anybody else's business? thats like me peekin in ya bathroom window...seriously what if people start doin this so you dont have competing developers programs?

2. Hurts the homebrew scene? you act like homebrew has a good reputation!
last i checked, sony is pissed at all of us! i mean, these guys cant sell a game cus of all this homebrew stuff, they had to go out and make a web browser and ipod casts so they can get some breathing room

3. If this is justified, I nominate a script that demands you send the author of any and every emulator a photo of the retail copy of every NES/SNES/GBA game u try to play on your psp before it lets it load. i mean seriously guys, if you dont own a copy of these games your playing, YOUR REALLY HURTING THE HOMEBREW SCENE...wait...isnt most homebrew emulation of existing software?

4.Screw the homebrew scene, you guys are hurtin my PSP scene! all you homebrew guys are makin game developers go make games for the DS. Man if it wasnt for hollywood, idunno if the PSP would still be alive....

**looks at psp news menu....gba emulator, snes, puyo puyo, tetris, man i dont own any of this stuff anymore, someone should put in a script to lock up the psp if you dont have the retail copy...

oh, dont think game companies care if you emulate old games? just look at the companies tryin to put out compilations and see if you get any positive feedback, seriously, capcom and nintendo have shut down and disbanded many sites for hosting their roms.

where is the educational purpose of studying the emulation of atari lynx on psp? with the way things are lookin with this app, you'd probably want me to go out and buy one off ebay before i should play it...man what if doom wasnt even shareware...

no im not against homebrew, otherwise why would i be here? i just like to point out how funny these convo's are, lmao, man u guys make me chuckle

PLEASE SOMEBODY YOU GOTTA DO THAT THING WHERE YOU LIKE TAKE APART EVERYTHING I SAY BY PARAGRAPH AND CRITICIZE IT TO MAKE YA FEEL SMART, I LOVE THAT ISH!! LMAO

hold on i gotta pass to the left hand side, haha

[tsurumaru]

Rock

You bring up some interesting points especially with the issue of emulation and its grey legal standing.

Homebrew (independantly released applications & games) and PSP adapted Emulators and isoloaders should be considered differently as their aims are quite different (although in the current situation the boundaries are somewhat blurred).

I happen to disagree that Sony are particullarly worried about homebrew as defined above, remember the playstation one home development kit? Besides, most of the homebrew applications either add functionality that users demand (and will probably be added by Sony in future firmware updates if demand is directed to them) or are experimenting with the systems capability.

The main reason that Sony's games sales are poor are that they are both overpriced, and of poor quality (with some but few notable exceptions). Until software companies really get to grips with both the system and the type of games the user wants and the prices are a little more aggressively marketed then they are likely to dissapoint.

Just remember this is my personal opinion, but do I really want to play a card based MGS game, or Armoured Core in which you can't pilot the Mech? Where are all the beat em ups, fighting games or 1st person shooters? The only areas which seems to have done well so far are puzzle and driving games (with GTA being a psuedo driving game).

I hope we'll see things change in the coming year with some quality titles in the works.

[Produkt]

Rock, FYI the home brew scene does have a good reputation, "homebrew" isnt limited to the psp or any other console for that matter.

PMP Muxer, not the psp app, is PC homebrew.

and since we are on the subject of iso's bittorrent is a homebrew.

a good deal of free PC game you have (thats legaly free) Is homebrew for the most part. Saying the home brew scene has a bad image is far from the truth. Its true that sony wishes that the homebrew wasnt as entertaining because they need to sell games for the console to survive.

Fact of the matter is every console is worth more in parts by retail standards than they sell it for. Take the xbox 360... if you had the patients/ability thats the power of a 1,000 dollar computer.

Now I admit McZonk fudged up rather badly on the GPL ordeal infact I was waiting for some one to catch up on it.

because the game is to have the license included and a means of obtaining the source code.

you can request the source code and legaly he is required to comply...

As for ISO's (the legal owners) Sure it loads faster but wouldnt you rather have movies or music where that 300 meg file is? Seriously thats space which can be better used.

McZonk ignore them. you have every right to do that now quickly make sure you get that license out.