Nincest 64 Ported To PSP (Nintendo 64 Emulator)

[wowfan]

I understand fully the reasons for protest. But I question the merits. Yes the homebrew scene has taken a downward spiral. But not finishing the port doesn't really cause harm to the websites who do not credit the developers properly and try to move in on the credit for the program.

If anything, it hurts the end user the most. The person who came to the site, was misinformed due to the protest's coupling with the N64 post (which is a double edged sword in itself: 1)You inadvertently promoted the very sites of which you are protesting since now thousands of more visitors saw the words N64 Emulator Ported. 2)These visitors, while many agree with you, have probably developed a dislike for you since you wont continue work on the emulator until the sites respect developers more.)

I do think the homebrew scene needs to change alot. There is much wrong with it. But I think there was a better way to go about it. By emailing the sites involved, you may have seen better results than to threaten the community with the life an emulator.

AAs well, you released the source, which anyone dying enough to get their hands on an N64 emulator can try and finish, and then your only leverage to inccur change within community is lost.

Perhaps I am incorrect, but I tell it how I see it.

I agree with you wholly, very well thought out and said. I too do not understand this 'PROTEST' as well, nor the method. Usually people send emails out first and then it leads to this. I don't know if you did this or not, but its usually a bit more professional.

Secondly, you never really said what you want to gain from your protest. Ok, you're sick of coders being treated like property, but what is your goal? What will the protest solve? We're all tired of this drama, and this is just another monkeywrench, am I wrong?

Also, I dont understand why you would not post this on a neutral place. It's like saying 'I'm not bought out, but I only post on this site.' Just a thought. Well best of luck to your protest, you really should clarify on what your goals are and perhaps be a bit more neutral, as well as define bought out and coders being treated like property. Last I checked, every site lets the world know if a coder put something in their forums or emaile them a program - it's called news.

[miemt11]

nincest only barely plays demos, there is no amount of small changes that can be made to the code to make it play more, besides simply replacing code in it with code from other emulators.

I have tried first. To the Dreamcast at least. I tried Mupen64 to thet Dreamcast a year before you were even here. The ONLY problem with it is that it uses a LOT of memory. The code is written specifically to be very portable. The only part that would need any significant modification would be the removal alltogether of the dynamic recompiler (which is realtively easy).

now i'm actually considering picking up my mupen port again... i wonder if i still have the sources laying around somewhere...

Let me Help you abit, about source code
http://mupen64.emulation64.com/files...rc-0.5.tar.bz2

You are one year before me, does not mean I not around during your old time, because I did not register in this forums(I dont own Dreamcast OK but I GOT PSP).

[coolandthegang]

honestly.....you're all ****ed up!why keepin post on those website rather than having your own one?don't get it...if no credits then ...welll it's anyway up to YOU to keep going....im not a coder...i dont expect from those people to keep going...If anyway you've done a coding thingy for the psp..then what???......nobody ask u to do so...u'r doing it because YOU like it...u coding because u love it...so if you want to keep going for your own personal use....well I DONT CARE!emulators are ok...well it's nice to have sometimes a "nostalgic2 feel...but guess what...technologie keep going on...and i'd love more than anything to play some deadly NEW games...game play and graphicly speaking rather than playing a poor 16 bits mario kart.....in which however i spent my time when I WAS A KID!do u get my point of view???if not ...does not matter...i like your projects coders...but if i bought the psp ...it was for the new technologie and not for a old GBA...call a dog a dog .....if you get it!

kind regards to all...and keep going if you like what YOU do with your free time...but then don't come to users proclaiming that webmaster and whoever are like owning you coders....apologies for my english...it is not my mother tongue! xxx

[PSmonkey]

*cracks fingers*
I knew this was gonna happen. Time to start replying. Sorry for the string of spam post (i need to make quite a few).

I understand fully the reasons for protest. But I question the merits. Yes the homebrew scene has taken a downward spiral. But not finishing the port doesn't really cause harm to the websites who do not credit the developers properly and try to move in on the credit for the program.

If anything, it hurts the end user the most. The person who came to the site, was misinformed due to the protest's coupling with the N64 post (which is a double edged sword in itself: 1)You inadvertently promoted the very sites of which you are protesting since now thousands of more visitors saw the words N64 Emulator Ported. 2)These visitors, while many agree with you, have probably developed a dislike for you since you wont continue work on the emulator until the sites respect developers more.)

I do think the homebrew scene needs to change alot. There is much wrong with it. But I think there was a better way to go about it. By emailing the sites involved, you may have seen better results than to threaten the community with the life an emulator.

AAs well, you released the source, which anyone dying enough to get their hands on an N64 emulator can try and finish, and then your only leverage to inccur change within community is lost.

Perhaps I am incorrect, but I tell it how I see it.

Actualy not all sites have carried news of the release. I think people are getting mixed up on what I am protesting. I am protesting sites that are taking ownership of people's work & giving less attenion to little guys making us great little psp games & apps.

If I tagged my protest to anything else it would have gone more unnoticed. Since it's on the n64 emu, its going to get well noticed. Hell it's been noticed enough that a few sites in question have already contacted me saying they wish to end this internal fighting.

Regarding the source, It makes no difference. The source was avalible on the net from the start yet nobody took the time to try porting it. There is far toooooo much work to do to get this emulator running mario 64 but its do able to get a n64 emulator on the psp that can run mario 64 in the future.

[PSmonkey]

By looking at the sources of it, it should be clear to you that the emulator cannot reach a better state than it is in without being utterly rewritten, that is a big reason as to why it was abandoned. No amount of tweaking will get any game playable at any level.

However, Mupen64 should be readily portable to the PSp.

You are right on the money. The entire core would need tons rewriting. I already fixed an anoyance in his mem handler (he freaking has a for loop to copy 4 bytes of data.

Anyways yes I have started looking at mupen64 but at the same time I think it might be better to take this emu and rewrite from scrach using the psp hw. Posibly going as far as writing a dynamic recompiler for the psp.

[PSmonkey]

This is the second big protest I've seen and I don't quite understand where this is coming from, or even why it exists, other then to garner some quick sympathies and unwarranted praise. Who's doing all of the negative stuff? You can't expect a ticker-tape parade from every release but you'll always get praise with every great release that's seen here. And if there's problems, you'll hear about those too. Some little kids might complain, that's normal. You can't expect everybody to be as supportive as the adults. But for the most part, this website and forum has been very supportive of all Homebrew authors.

Who is your letter aimed at? Maybe if you named names I could understand this protest and the last one. I've been doing mod stuff for Unreal Tournament for years, so I'm well aquatinted with snotty little kids and ungrateful critics nit-picking my life's work. But outside of being miffed, I've never let it get to me when people take my work for granted. It's not like I would stop making mods just because of them. After all, I like the work I've done, and I would do it even if I was the only person on earth that ever used it. When people appreciate our mod with a nice message, that always makes my day. But I certainly can't remember a time when I made a big post on the U4E front page saying I was going to quite if people didn't praise us more. Neither did any of the rest of our team.

This is directly aimed at scene websites. What many are not getting is there has been alot of in fighting between a few major psp news sites. I am sick and tired of it and I want it to stop. That is where this protest is comming from & going. It already is starting to make progress as I have been in talks with 1 site in question about ending all this.

This has nothing to do with the rom kiddies, the people who complain about projects and etc etc. This is purely down to the sites who bring us this information and are fighting each other like they have to gain your suport for their army.

[PSmonkey]

nincest only barely plays demos, there is no amount of small changes that can be made to the code to make it play more, besides simply replacing code in it with code from other emulators.

I have tried first. To the Dreamcast at least. I tried Mupen64 to thet Dreamcast a year before you were even here. The ONLY problem with it is that it uses a LOT of memory. The code is written specifically to be very portable. The only part that would need any significant modification would be the removal alltogether of the dynamic recompiler (which is realtively easy).

now i'm actually considering picking up my mupen port again... i wonder if i still have the sources laying around somewhere...

This is why I think that maybe studing other emulators and writing one from scrach or at a base level is the best option. Look at it this way in comparince. McZonk is having issues with getting the single player aspect of quake 2 running on the psp due to heavy memory usage where iris on the other had is running more complex maps with less issues. You of all people know the problems between porting & writing from scrach.

[PSmonkey]

I agree with you wholly, very well thought out and said. I too do not understand this 'PROTEST' as well, nor the method. Usually people send emails out first and then it leads to this. I don't know if you did this or not, but its usually a bit more professional.

Secondly, you never really said what you want to gain from your protest. Ok, you're sick of coders being treated like property, but what is your goal? What will the protest solve? We're all tired of this drama, and this is just another monkeywrench, am I wrong?

Also, I dont understand why you would not post this on a neutral place. It's like saying 'I'm not bought out, but I only post on this site.' Just a thought. Well best of luck to your protest, you really should clarify on what your goals are and perhaps be a bit more neutral, as well as define bought out and coders being treated like property. Last I checked, every site lets the world know if a coder put something in their forums or emaile them a program - it's called news.

I am not trying to be just another monkey wrench thrown at the psp scene. I'm trying to stop all this crap. Like I have said in other post I have recently talked to an admin of another site last night in trying to get all this crap resolved.

If you guys take notice on sites. Many sites are taking ownership of coders. For instance "Our great forum moderator **** has given us an exclusive release of ****". Sorry but this is bull$#@!. This scene is for everybody. There is no need for this exclusive bull crap. This is just one of many instances. Again its not just one site. I have expressed to wraggster when I don't like him even doing it.

Also I did post this on a pretty neutral place. It's called my website. I've pretty much been making jabs at everybody including dcemu. I know this is making me unpopular but I never cared for popularity. I just want this bullcrap to freaking stop. Hopefuly my actions will make that happen.

[Sharpy]

cool emulator, the first n64 emulator for psp. He's right too, people shouldn't go around treating homebrew devs like dirt, homebrew devs are totally cool and put a lot of work into their projects and releases so hats off to them for releasing good homebrew

[CoderX]

This is a good refresher for the PSP scene. It breathes life into a scene which in recent months has been plagued by "Warez-$#@!s" , as 1timeuser would put it, and corrupted money-hungry sites. Somewhere in between Hello World and now some people sold out and forgot what the scene is all about. Now I'm not going to name names but we all have our suspicions towards certain people. These people should take this as a warning that many talented coders such as PSmonkey may in fact stop coding up jewels such as this release. Not just sites but some coders have lost there way to it seems, they should look past the money and get back to good old no-strings attached homebrew.

Anyway like I said seeing something like this refreshing for all.

PS: Wow quite that was quite the rant. Not exactly thought out but the point gets across I suppose.

That gameshark dude from psp-hacks quit yesterday

Personal i like his ddr mod
and the 2.0loder backgrounds where realy cool

it realy sucks when people let flamers get the better of them

http://www.psp-hacks.com/forums/about20211.html