DaedalusX64 Beta 2 Teaser Video

**mike_jmg** · January 21st, 2009, 19:06

It's a bit early to say it is done

Cause at this point rampage is the only game that runs fullspeed, don't get me wrong, I'm glad that this people put their time and effort to work in this awesome project.

And I really hope that someday every N64 game will be playable on daedalus.

**kyyubidx** · January 21st, 2009, 19:24

@kharaboudjan

You're mistaking flamers with realists. We are realists because we KNOW the difficulty of emulating any system. Have you not read my post? I think I put it very bluntly.

**Salvy** · January 21st, 2009, 20:05

Originally Posted by kyyubidx

Am I the only one shocked at such $#@!yness when the graphics are still kinda bugged? Plus OoT is far from playable seen in the vid.
If they fix all these in beta 2 and deliver with their promise "playable emulator" they'll get props... If they don't... I don't want to imagine the flame on the poor little mates. Still, people should keep in mind the word beta. Alpha > Beta > RC > Final (unless I'm mistaken)

Well unless they pull Microsoft and release a beta better than the final xD And yes I'm talking about Windows 7 build 7000 as compared to Vista SP1

Originally Posted by pizzatacoman

I'm amazed at what is considered "playable".

The only game even really remotely playable is Rampage

Originally Posted by acn010

i just see a slight difference speed... thats all

Well I'll just post my response I posted in QJ

Just take note that all the videos were using the default settings so there wasn't frame skip or anything that isn't default except for Paper Mario that had Memory Access Optimisation enabled

Just compare the videos with beta 1 with the default settings you'll see the big improvements that have been done for Beta 2

Keep in mind this video was to show the improvements done since Beta 1

Heres a simple Test

Mario 64 Beta 1
-default settings
-first level
-no sound

14.5-16fps

Mario 64 Beta 2
default settings
same level
sound enabled

24-28fps

with the right settings I can take Mario64 to over 30fps with sound enabled (that's full speed)

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Over 250 improvements/changes/bug fixes have been done since Beta 1 was released.
Now you tell me, there hasn't been any improvements?

PS: Emulating n64 in the PSP is not an easy task

**jrsmaster411** · January 21st, 2009, 20:18

Originally Posted by Salvy

Well I'll just post my response I posted in QJ

Just take note that all the videos were using the default settings so there wasn't frame skip or anything that isn't default except for Paper Mario that had Memory Access Optimisation enabled

Just compare the videos with beta 1 with the default settings you'll see the big improvements that have been done for Beta 2

Keep in mind this video was to show the improvements done since Beta 1

Heres a simple Test

Mario 64 Beta 1
-default settings
-first level
-no sound

14.5-16fps

Mario 64 Beta 2
default settings
same level
sound enabled

24-28fps

with the right settings I can take Mario64 to over 30fps with sound enabled (that's full speed)

-
Over 250 improvements/changes/bug fixes have been done since Beta 1 was released.
Now you tell me, there hasn't been any improvements?

PS: Emulating n64 in the PSP is not an easy task

Owned

**kyyubidx** · January 21st, 2009, 20:20

@salvy:

Don't take me wrong... But I would most likely never play a bugged game just to say I can... What you people proposed was PERFECT emulation was it not?
Well... I still lots of graphic bugs that put me off touching it...
If you achieve fullspeed, great. Daedalus X Team deserves all the credits AND major props from everyone, including me.
And many people are desperate for it, so for them its great. I still feel there are better games natively, but its good for second-choices.

@poster above me:

Owned? Why? Is this UT3?
This is called "Discussion Forums"
People.Debate.Ideas.And.Points.Of.View.Here.If.You .Have.Nothing.To.Say.Do.Not.Post

**Wally** · January 21st, 2009, 21:39

Originally Posted by kyyubidx

Am I the only one shocked at such $#@!yness when the graphics are still kinda bugged? Plus OoT is far from playable seen in the vid.
If they fix all these in beta 2 and deliver with their promise "playable emulator" they'll get props... If they don't... I don't want to imagine the flame on the poor little mates. Still, people should keep in mind the word beta. Alpha > Beta > RC > Final (unless I'm mistaken)

Well unless they pull Microsoft and release a beta better than the final xD And yes I'm talking about Windows 7 build 7000 as compared to Vista SP1

Now now, no need to say we're $#@!y, its just a major improvement over Beta 1 compared

OOT is averaging at about 10 FPS, but thats only in kokori village, in other places such as temples its over full speed. If you didn't know OOT only needs 20FPS to run

We aren't like Microsoft, Microsoft are ... despicable and you know that!

As for the graphics, it was a 40 degree (C) day and my Video capture box was starting to feel it hence the washed out colours in a lot of the games.

**kyyubidx** · January 21st, 2009, 21:55

Thank you for your insight Wally =)

Still (call me picky but I'm a perfectionist) I saw some (or maybe it was the bad video quality) some places where texturing was not quite good yet (e.g. places with black places instead of textures)
But this is nevertheless great work

Keep it up people.
Also, I'd like to add I was not flaming, I trying to give you support in my own, bizarre way..

**IDidMyTime** · January 21st, 2009, 22:06

Sorry, I have to agree with alot of the comments, Exactly what has the new team 'proved'?

I havent been keeping up with the project, and my initial reaction was there was a huge leap, theres a leap, but nowhere near enough to warrent that kind of statement.

The day when something is fullspeed the entire way through is the day you have, not adding X game which runs at 55% speed, because lets be honest, not even hardcore OOT fans will play it on the PSP with that speed.

Cant the team just concentrate on certain games, like perhaps Mario64? or something which could possibly be done? I would rather have 3 fullspeed games then 30 at 70%.

**Wally** · January 21st, 2009, 22:50

Originally Posted by IDidMyTime

Sorry, I have to agree with alot of the comments, Exactly what has the new team 'proved'?

Just the fact that its faster and with new technology.

I havent been keeping up with the project, and my initial reaction was there was a huge leap, theres a leap, but nowhere near enough to warrent that kind of statement.

There's a considerable amount of increase since Daedalus R13, I suggest you try it out for yourself, its hard to discover how playable it is via a video.

The day when something is fullspeed the entire way through is the day you have, not adding X game which runs at 55% speed, because lets be honest, not even hardcore OOT fans will play it on the PSP with that speed.

Its fairly playable in other areas, kokori village happens to be the slowest, however savestate was broken in the process of making the video and i'd be happy to demonstrate other areas.

Cant the team just concentrate on certain games, like perhaps Mario64? or something which could possibly be done? I would rather have 3 fullspeed games then 30 at 70%.

If you look at it from a technical view, you can't. I mean we can profile certain roms but its not always going to be the best way of doing it. At the moment I believe Zelda as being one of the more sophisticated N64 games is being focused on.

Im not here to start a fan club, i'm here to show you our achievements. Not to start a flame war.

Originally Posted by kyyubidx

Thank you for your insight Wally =)

Still (call me picky but I'm a perfectionist) I saw some (or maybe it was the bad video quality) some places where texturing was not quite good yet (e.g. places with black places instead of textures)
But this is nevertheless great work

Keep it up people.
Also, I'd like to add I was not flaming, I trying to give you support in my own, bizarre way..

I understand the perfectionist view, as I am one myself :P. The black textures you saw might have been Texel1 which is a second texture that can not be implemented natively but can be done other ways which will cost us processing power. Its not ideal at the moment. Otherwise its mostly going to be the video recording.

EDIT Merged two Posts ~ Wally

**maxipower90** · January 21st, 2009, 23:17

Well done... I am really excited for this, for the none believers out there, giving this project negative views suchas What has been done... give them a break there working with a PSP not a NASA computer.

progress has been made and thats all that matters and im sure they need our support and the feeling that there doing something good.

just my 2 pence

btw any improvment in Majora's Mask :thumbup: