PS3, the new Saturn

**Shadowblind** · January 22nd, 2009, 14:57

From a financial standpoint, yes the PS3 is a massive failure. But then again so was the Xbox 1. From a commercial standpoint, the PS3 is a success, again like the original Xbox.

It all depends on what your looking for when you call it a failure as to whether your right or an idiot.

**acn010** · January 22nd, 2009, 18:37

ps3 is soon gaining its place... it is still early ya know... still the ps3 is a powerful system on which hits still good

**kojiro7** · January 22nd, 2009, 22:02

Originally Posted by Triv1um

Why do you post here?

You are a fanboy wanker. Gtfo new***.

Whos the fanboy as****e?You are a ps3 owner perharps,too bad for you,spend your money for nothing

**kojiro7** · January 22nd, 2009, 22:07

Originally Posted by sorceror

And, sadly, that tells us all we need to know about you. Being happy that someone else 'fails' is always a sign of neurotic insecurity. My condolences.

Whos is the someone?Sony?Hahaha...You love so much your ps3?And for those all who say stupid things about me,let me tell you that I dont play next gen games anymore,I only own a pc and xbox1 for emulator gaming purposes.So I am not a fanboy of xbox360 or Wii against the ps3.But ps3 is really a waste of money against the other 2,thats the truth and wake up

**JLF65** · January 22nd, 2009, 22:45

The comparison to the Saturn is bogus. The difference is the Saturn wasn't better than the competitors, just more complex, and everyone knew it. The PS3 IS better than the competitors, and everyone (who isn't a fanboy) knows it. The power of the Cell Broadband Engine coupled with a decent GPU can't be argued... what remains is whether that power is enough to entice companies to expend the effort. They didn't on the Saturn because they knew they weren't going to get results. The PS3 will get results for effort.

**yaustar** · January 22nd, 2009, 23:07

Originally Posted by kojiro7

But ps3 is really a waste of money against the other 2,thats the truth and wake up

Its opinion, not fact. Please do not pass it as such.

**Accordion** · January 22nd, 2009, 23:30

Originally Posted by kojiro7

Whos is the someone?Sony?Hahaha...You love so much your ps3?And for those all who say stupid things about me,let me tell you that I dont play next gen games anymore,I only own a pc and xbox1 for emulator gaming purposes.So I am not a fanboy of xbox360 or Wii against the ps3.But ps3 is really a waste of money against the other 2,thats the truth and wake up

If you dont have any one of the three current consoles then you know nothing.
from experience or not at all

thankyou!

***Darksaviour69*** · January 23rd, 2009, 00:51

Originally Posted by JLF65

The comparison to the Saturn is bogus. The difference is the Saturn wasn't better than the competitors, just more complex, and everyone knew it. The PS3 IS better than the competitors, and everyone (who isn't a fanboy) knows it. The power of the Cell Broadband Engine coupled with a decent GPU can't be argued... what remains is whether that power is enough to entice companies to expend the effort. They didn't on the Saturn because they knew they weren't going to get results. The PS3 will get results for effort.

Results?did you ever see Quake running on the Saturn? Some people say that the saturn could match the ps1 (maybe even better it). But its pointless if it too expensive (longer development time) to use the full power of the console. So there is a similarity there, but really that's where the similarity ends.

**Eviltaco64** · January 23rd, 2009, 02:38

The PS3 is going to probably sell up to 40 or 50 million total, which isnt bad at all.

Just because a system is in 3rd place doesn't make it a failure. Consider high prices, a later start, and a pretty bad and ignorant view made widestream by the foolish bunch of Wii60ers. The fact of the matter is that the PS3 is a great console with a lot of untapped potential. 2008 was a great year for PS3 and it's all but downhill for it right now. Also keep in mind that it outsold the 360 in many areas until the 360's price drop. If the PS3's price were to be reduced to $300 or so, it would definitely see a large increase of sales.

They're all great consoles, and they're most certainly not failures.

As for the Saturn, great console as well. It's 2D capabilities most certainly outranked that of the PS1 or N64, and as for 3D, it was harder to squeeze everything out of the Saturn, but games like Panzer Dragoon Saga and Quake as DarkSaviour mentioned really showcased the Saturn hardware. Still a shame that some of the best looking titles for the Saturn were canned (Sonic Xtreme, Virtua Fighter 3, Shenmue, and the like), not to mention the supposedly complete port of Sonic the Fighters.

Saturn and PS3 are hardly alike, save their 3rd place spots and occasionally hard to port to hardware.

Also, just a word of advice, if you hate any certain console, feel free to share your opinion, but please, try to do it in a more sophisticated manner (i.e. no name calling, exceptionally fanboyish comments, etc), it's unnecessary and pisses certain memebers off.

That being said, I dislike the Xbox 360 for it's unreliable hardware, expensive add-ons and accessories (non-proprietary hard drives, xbox live gold), bad d-pad, and the many retards ruining Xbox Live. Oh, and of course we can't forget those Microsoft executives that "actually invented everything that's coming out on other consoles".

**JLF65** · January 23rd, 2009, 08:04

Originally Posted by Darksaviour69

Results?did you ever see Quake running on the Saturn? Some people say that the saturn could match the ps1 (maybe even better it). But its pointless if it too expensive (longer development time) to use the full power of the console. So there is a similarity there, but really that's where the similarity ends.

It depended on the type of game. Quake/Doom would be about the limit of the type of game you could do on the Saturn that would match (or possibly exceed with a lot of effort) the PSX. The problem was that the Saturn had an awesome 2D graphics processor, but the slap-together-at-the-last-second 3D processor could only simulate 3D (only good for unlit affine mapping). The PSX has an honest-to-god GPU that was meant for 3D rendering. Not as good as the N64 GPU, but miles ahead of the Saturn.

Then there was the matter of geometry transforms - the PSX had a co-processor in the main CPU to calculate matrices and such. The Saturn sloughed it off on the secondary processor, which wasn't really designed for such calculations. It would be like removing the T&L from your PC video GPU and using your multi-core CPU to do it instead. It's just not as good.

So there were games the Saturn excelled at - mostly 2D games. Old first generation 2.5/3 D games could be done better with a lot of work. But after that, the Saturn got left in the dust.